Daily Express 17/05/016 And getting out of the EU would slash bill by £1.2 billion. Mass immigration is costing British taxpayers £17billion a year, a bombshell report warned last night. But it said the UK could save £1.2billion by quitting the EU. A detailed study of the costs of migration to Britain set against its benefits showed an overwhelmingly negative impact on the Treasury. The burden of public services, benefits and pensions for migrants and their families far outstrips the income from what they pay in taxes.


Daily Mail 17/05/2016 Leaked letter reveals PM hatched anti-Brexit plot …..while still telling voters he could campaign to leave. A pact between David Cameron and big business to scare Britain into staying in the EU was exposed last night. A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave. He had been telling the Commons that he ‘ruled nothing out’ unless he won concessions from the EU.

Visa –free Turkey ‘terror threat’

Headlines ‘Daily Telegraph’ 17/5/2016 Terrorists are more likely to attack European countries as a result of a controversial deal to allow Turkish citizens to travel across the continent without visas, the EU has admitted. Foreign terrorists and organised criminals are “ expected” to seek Turkish passports to reach continental Europe “as soon as” the visa waiver programme comes into force, a European Commission report said.

Do you care what Janus says on the OPF?

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World War Three

Just when you think Cameron can’t possibly ‘scare’ the British Public into voting to stay in the fascist EU anymore…….he once again takes Scaremongering to new and higher levels of excellence and ups the stakes ‘project fear’ to astronomic proportions. A British Prime Minister has told the British people that leaving the EU could result in World War 3. Is that person sane? Even the Presenters on Sky News had a laugh about that threat.

Ian Botham joins the Leave Campaign

Dear Friend, Did you see the official funding figures? I’m speechless. The pro-EU Remain campaign has raised over £6.8 million, to our £2.7 million. That means they’ve got more than twice as much money to spend on their propaganda. Worse still they’re being funded by big American investment banks like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley. Remind me why it’s any of Goldman Sachs’ business how Britain votes in the referendum?!

Arthur Scargill

Arthur Scargill has finally come out and backed leaving the EU. I was born and bred on the North Nottinghamshire Coalfield, raised at a 'pit'village and of Coal Mining stock on the English side of the family. Years ago I too worked underground as a Coal Miner and was a member of Arthur Scargills National Union of Mineworkers (the NUM), the most militant of the British Trade Unions by far. I was also a member of the Labour Party those days. I also agree with Arthur Scargill when he says he doesn’t understand how anybody who claims to be a ‘socialist ‘ can back the EU.

‘Jails, Institutions or Death’ words of wisdom from the "bibles" of AA written (plagiarized?) by Bill Wilson in the "Big Book" and 12&12"

"Each AA member is to follow the 12 steps to the best of their ability or face jails, institutions or death. Therefore, we are disciplined by the spiritual principals of the steps and a higher power of our own understanding. Just as every AA member takes the steps to the best of their ability, each AA group as a whole must follow the traditions…

Expose of Scientology by FATHER of Scientology leader

This is very interesting:


The viewpoint is very unusual: The author is the father of the current Scientology leader, David Miscavige. The father said of his son that he proves the truth of the old saying about, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Fascinating. The comments are good too.

Apropos of Nothing, Really

I just found this to be so very cool. Some kind of Chechen Sufi thing, I gather.

OPF Membership declines for 3rd year in a row

Analysis and observation reveals that OPF membership has dropped 95% over the 3 year period in the Orange Park Study.

Membership is down to the Orangered Orangie Old-Timers. These OOOTs are the hard-core members of the Orange Cult.

McDonald's vs Treatment

Just saw some recent stats that put the number of McDonald's restaurants in the USA at 14,157 and the number of substance abuse treatment facilities at 14,148. That's...
14,157 McDonald's, and
14, 148 Treatment facilities

I think that's worth thinking about.

North Korea Cracks Down On Smoking But Kim Jong Un Still Puffs Away

This is both amusing and outrageous hypocrisy. "Dear Leader" gets to smoke all he wants while everybody else is supposed to quit smoking. I guess he gets to smoke because he is "special".
Reminds me of Bill Wilson.


Cameron's Turkey Deal means that the UK's new border is with Syria and Iraq

We send £350 million a week to the EU – enough to build a new hospital every week 250,000 EU migrants a year come to the UK and five new countries are in the queue to join – including Albania, Serbia, and Turkey – it’s out of control and damages the NHS It’s safer to take back control and spend our money on our priorities Imagine if we Vote Leave in 49 days’ time… We can take back control of key decisions affecting our security services from the European Court. New EU border proposals make us less safe

Leave the EU 23rd June

If you don't care about people (ie you are an unscrupulous Businessman or Landlord, Politician etc ) then at least spare a thought for innocent animals:- 'The EU thinks that live transport of livestock for slaughter is not inhumane. The UK wants to ban it but the EU says we can't. Banning this practice would be illegal under EU law!' http://action.voteleavetakecontrol.org/animal_control

John Allegro, the scholar who became a madman.

It's a long essaay about John Allegro, that studies in depth his controversial book in the 70s. Warning,a bit long, and many might find it boring. Although the author is clearly sympathetic to allegro, the article points out the Allegros flawed work. Word document that has to be downloaded http://liberterre.fr/entheogenes/recherches-modernes/John-Allegro-Affair...

AA membership drops for 2nd year in a row

AA membership estimates for 2015 were just released and have decreased for the 2nd year in a row: something that has never happened before. In 2013 AA membership in the USA & Canada was 1,389,602 and then decreased by 16,105 to 1,373,497 by 2014. In 2015 it dropped a further 25,425 to 1,348,072. AA membership numbers have now dropped by 41,530 or 3% in just the last two years.

Labels and Multiple Layers of Perception

Following on from a debate on another thread that has degenerated into childish name-calling, perhaps I should explain why the issue of whether or not God exists is so difficult to resolve between two people who have total different perceptions of the world.

It basically comes down to labels and perception. What I call God is almost certainly not what an atheist (or Christian) calls God. For that reason, atheists and Christians find it impossible to accept my 'evidence' for the existence of God.

Down the Rabbit Hole, with Janus

I really think the girl's becoming unhinged.....or she's been into the gin cabinet. See if you can follow the train of thought, the leaps of logic, the backtracking and flipflopping without getting positively dizzy. It's strangely fascinating to behold, however gravol is recommended for those with sensitive stomaches.

More scienctific evidence for the effectiveness of 'one addict/alcoholic helping another'

Here is a report about recent research from Oxford University on the effect of having a supportive social network (as happens in AA):-



“One theory, known as 'the brain opioid theory of social attachment', is that social interactions trigger positive emotions when endorphin binds to opioid receptors in the brain.

With All Due Respect To James Brown..........

“The Godfather Of Soul” James Brown did one of his all-time smash hits entitled “Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag” in 1965. That song earned him an Emmy award for Best R&B Recording.

I truly hate to defame James Brown’s artistic achievement by likening jAnus’s burgeoning new attitude here @ OPF to one of the crowning achievements of “The Godfather Of Soul", but jAnus's new and yet even more monumentally bullshit-intensive attitude mandates recognition. In a phrase, I think we all need to recognize that “Mama’s got a Brand New Rag”....

Another AA apolgist's warped perspective.

Excerpts from Maia Szalavits' new book "Unbroken Chain" appearing in today's "the influence"
In 1935, when Bill Wilson and Robert “Dr. Bob” Smith created AA, both were members of a then-popular Christian revival movement known as the Oxford Group. In fact, the Steps themselves were based on the Oxford Group’s principles of surrender to God, confession, prayer and service. But AA soon split off from the Oxford group, which had been founded by a controversial preacher named Frank Buchman (just before the split, Buchman did not help his reputation when he praised Hitler and sought to convert the Nazi leadership into becoming his followers)(1). AA wanted to be a more ecumenical organization and the Oxford Group did not want its primary business to be converting drunks, which made the parting mutual.

So how did a Jewish girl from Manhattan embrace and later come to question what I now see was designed as a Christian form of recovery? And why don’t I advocate the 12 Steps for all, since they apparently worked for me during the critical first five years of my recovery? Well—like every other issue in addiction—it’s complicated.

For me, it started in rehab in 1988, at a program, now closed, in Westchester, New York, which was a typical Minnesota-model, 12-step, 28-day treatment. Specifically, I began to feel like I might be able to accept the program when I first heard an AA speaker who happened to be a doctor. He made life in recovery sound more like fun and less like the tedious drudgery of constantly having to try to avoid everything I loved, from sugar to music, which was what others seemed to highlight. He was an outside speaker and he talked more about what he got from recovery than what he’d given up.

In rehab, too, I was immersed in a milieu where every authority seemed to endorse the Steps as my only hope. Because medical professionals—from the hospital detox doctors and nurses to the rehab physician and counselors to the AA doc—accepted what seemed like religion as actual medicine, I thought that there had to be strong science behind it. Since these apparent experts told me both that addiction was a medical disease and that the treatment was meeting, confession and prayer, I didn’t notice the contradiction that is now obvious to me when stating these facts.

Instead, it was a relief to see addiction as a disease and to know that while I was responsible for my recovery, the fact that I’d gotten hooked didn’t mean I was a bad person. In meetings, I’d hear others talk about how they had hated and blamed themselves—and how the steps were the key to making past wrongs right. I knew that I needed to find some way to get over my sense of failure about the disastrous wrong turn my life had taken. Since I’d left Columbia College, I’d found my future unbearable without drugs.

In the program, I learned that if I could just stop hating myself for hating myself, I didn’t feel quite so bad. While the Steps didn’t formally address the issue, in meetings I’d hear people talk about swinging from grandiosity to self-loathing, often described in AA’s earthy language as “feeling like the piece of shit in the center of the universe” or being “an egomaniac with an inferiority complex.” I knew exactly what they meant and felt understood. Another slogan that helped was “don’t compare your insides to someone else’s outsides,” meaning that most people try to present the best parts of themselves, but you can’t hide your negative aspects from yourself. This concept is especially useful in the age of social media.

Simply hating myself was bearable if unpleasant; hating myself for doing so on top of that was not. And hearing friends, whom I knew to be good and kind, describe their own self-loathing helped me see how incorrect self-perceptions could be. This allowed me to ease up on myself, which reduced my need for escape. I began to learn the critical recovery skill of self-compassion.

Part of what the program gave me was hope: what AA calls the “power of example.” Seeing people similar to me get better made a real difference—and I still think that this is often a crucial element in recovery. Although research shows that whether a counselor has his or her own addiction history does not affect outcomes (2), some contact with people who have been there and recovered often matters.

In fact, research suggests that the supportive community that 12-step programs provide is the main active ingredient in their success, when they work. The data is clear that social support aids both mental and physical health—and that people with more of it are much more likely to recover. Social support is the single most important factor in mitigating severe stress and trauma (3), which often contribute to addictions. Love doesn’t always cure all—but without it, healing from psychological and learning disorders is almost impossible. We all tend to learn best when we feel safe and curious and want to connect and win our teachers’ respect.

I also found some specific elements of the 12-step structure and literature helpful, beyond its large, welcoming community. For one, when you go to meetings daily, you hear thousands of stories and comments. Few other opportunities exist to hear people discuss their challenges and the mundane thoughts that disturb or distress them. With friends, partners and families, we often want to hide this part of ourselves, so as not to upset or bore them—or, sometimes, because we don’t want to display weaknesses or give those who might hurt us additional weapons.

Has anybody on this forum ever heard of 'Common Purpose?'

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The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)

I was wondering what was in the UK remaining in the EU for Obama. Somebody suggested that the UK was one of the few if the only European Nation backing TTIP. I'll have to check on that one. One thing is certain however its not for the benefit of the British people.....thats for sure


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