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What happened to the OPF? "Lord Of The Flies" conch shell, "Animal Farm" some are more equal than others and the Spiritual vs. Religious Debate

Can we just breathe for a minute and take a break. As everyone has noticed the Orange Papers Forum has become an incomprehensible bunch of posts. The classic literature of "Lord of the Flies," "Animal Farm" and the ever present Spiritual, not Religious debate has taken over the forum and chaos has arisen. What are the group dynamics causing this and why? It can be traced to classical literature and the ever present Spiritual, not Religious debate.

The Orange Papers – 12 Days in Review

The first 15 days of November have brought us:

An Orange Papers Forum (OPF) member’s birthday day. And it was a real honest to goodness birthday, not a made-up sobriety birthday so that an AA member can feel good about their self. Happy birthday rainbow. Rainbow declined further comment on her age.

The first-ever electronic evangelist joined the OPF.

Jim Battle’s Agenda

I realize that members of this forum might think I’m beating a dead horse by bringing this up again. Regardless, I’m going to take this opportunity to express my feelings about Jim’s “cause”. I take personal offense to some of what he speaks of, things that do not have anything to do with the common goal most of us share in exposing AA.

Jack Chick on Thanksgiving

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1025/1025_01.asp Have a good one this year, and don't give Uncle Mort any PCP this time. Haw Haw.

AA Slogans

Please tell me if I missed any. 90 meetings in 90 days. A head full of AA and a belly full of booze. AA has a wrench to fit every nut that walks through the door. Act as if. Alcoholics don't have relationships; they take hostages. All you need to start a meeting is two drunks, a resentment, and a coffee pot. Anger is but one letter away from danger. Are you in AA, or around AA? Attitude of gratitude. Be as enthusiastic about AA as you were about your drinking. Be careful what you pray for; you're liable to get it. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Everybody Needs Someone To Love

Love those brass instrumets

"The Rooooomz" A novel by Rolf Ankermann (teaser)

September 1st, 2001 (Manorhaven, NY)

Who Made These Rules?

Who came up with the idea that, as an AA critical thinker, I am somehow obligated to participate in activism, or follow a set standard for the cause? Who said this forum is about activism? Just throwing this out there... Any thoughts on this?

Let's clear up the Arid Club question

This topic first arose thus :- 'If what I recently heard is true, the comic-book style tracts I was offering in front of a big AA club in Phoenix (the New Arid Club), combined with a recorded message I was playing, got this club shut down by those who allowed them to use the building. The reason? "Too many complaints that AA was deceiving."' http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/4123 When pushed for more details it became :-

What is Alcoholics Anonymous hiding? Why Are they such liars and why do they allow pedophiles to abuse Children in AA Meetings?

Recently I was in NYC filming my Documentary "The 13th Step" and we took our cameras and went to the AA World Headquarters. They are so full of shit! here is a link to a 14min string out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-_xPU3KC5E

It's like watching someone,

watch someone else pour gas on themselves and light it and scream in pain as they die, then doing the same to themselves. That is what it is like trying to talk to steppers. They violently push an alleged 'program of recovery' they don't even understand. For example, 'sponsorship'. https://forums.craigslist.org/?ID=240502395 http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-15_Q&AonSpon.pdf Excerpt from pdf,..

California taxpayers fund the certification of convicts as addiction counselors!

This is what the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) - Offender Mentor Certification Program (OMCP) does: "The OMCP provides an opportunity for offenders to complete a certification program in alcohol and other drug counseling. Inmates are recruited from various institutions and transferred to the host institution for training. Once certified as interns by the California Association of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselors (CAADAC), the inmate mentors will be used to assist in the various substance abuse treatment programs throughout the state."

The Culprit: The Christian Church

The Culprit: Culprit: somebody who is responsible for or guilty of an offense or misdeed, the cause of the problem. When I made my first AA meeting, it was held in one of the alcoholic’s home, usually in the basement of the one who had been sober for a year or longer. I remember very clearly. Every morning on my way to work, I would stop by my sponsor’s home for a cup of coffee and a talk. We did not have the money to rent a private place to meet. Now this is what happened. One of the old timers decided on his own to go to his church to see about getting a room in the church for our meeting.

Strength, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats (SWOT) Analysis of exposing the problems in Alcoholics Anonymous - A primer for activism to expose the problems in AA

As in any activism goal, the idea is to identify the Strength, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats (SWOT) of what you want to accomplish. What are the problems and solutions of being an activist exposing Alcoholics Anonymous for what it is?

This is by no means an all inclusive SWOT analysis of the Anti-AA movement, but it is a start and it highlights the main ideas and provides a framework of what you will be faced with in your journey.

Infiltrate AA

I stumbled across an article today that was interesting to me. An investigative Reporter had to take incentive credits at the local college to receive a pay raise and he chose "Drugs and Human Behavior". As a course requirement he had to attend an AA meeting and write about his personal reaction. He didn't know much about AA prior to going. My mouse is skittish lately so here are a few tidbits:

Over the GW - Full movie

Orange Papers on Facebook

I just got the following e-mail Jen Michael changed the privacy of the group Orange Papers from Open to Closed. Is there anyone who knows FB who can explain what's happened here? I thought Orange owned the FB page?

Could it be ....?

Could it be that AA the way it is today was not caused by the alcoholic? I attended my first AA meeting in Douglas Arizona some time in 1962. I stayed sober for one year. Those meetings were nothing more than 2 or more alcoholics helping each other to stay sober. We did not open with the Lord’s Prayer. We did not close the meeting with it. It was the same way when I returned on Feb 22, 1970. About 5 years later the jitter joint were started and they used AA. They would hold AA meeting. They would use our members to give open talks. They would bring their patients to our meeting.

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Very interesting history

I was at the semi-annual used book sale at the Forest Grove Library yesterday, when I saw a book about Nazi history: "the SS, alibi of a nation, 1922-1945", by Gerald Reitlinger (1957, Viking Press). I looked at the index to see if there was any mention of Frank Buchman or the Oxford Group, like I always do with any history book from that period. I can't begin to estimate how many books I have searched for any mention of Buchmanism. There is almost never one. Frank Buchman's cult was apparently just too small and unimportant to make it into many histories.

Natural, untreated recovery from alcohol dependence - myths and science

It's not just AA that has myths. There is a pervasive myth, circulated by many of us in the Anti AA/Pro Evidence camp, regarding the rate of natural (untreated/spontaneous) recovery from alcohol dependence. It's not based on the facts, it's not based on medical research or scientific evidence, it's widely quoted and it's all of our own making.

Recovery Activities Now That You Are Rich

This video should not be watched by anyone over 40 years old

For Brett, in his recovery support activities. Ain't that first turn great?

I remember when the Bultaco. Maico, CZ and the Husquavarna ruled the tracks.

Hi, my name is Rolf, …..just Rolf…..thanks Pete

I remember it like it was yesterday. I hid in the back of the room because I DIDN’T want to be there, I was court ordered. The first thing that struck me was that damn poster on the wall. The next thing that completely flipped me out and almost knocked me off my chair was when, in unison, the sheeple all uttered “WE THINK NOT”. Holy F!!!! What is this? But the kicker? The kicker was when they went around introducing themselves as alcoholics…….”Paul, alcoholic, Jim grateful recovering alcoholic, Mary…….”

What if your Client Doesn't Go to AA?

This liberal artist performs court-ordered evaluations. Can you smell the smug air of superiority? http://michaelgbrock.com/What_If_Your_Client_Doesnt_Go_To_AA.html
What If Your Client Doesn't Go To AA?

Did anyone else refuse Gabrielle Glaser? Other than me.

Did anyone else refuse to be interviewed by Gabrielle Glaser? I did. Twice. When she was going as "Violet" on X-Steppers, Glaser's last pm to me was to ask about my experience as a woman with an "alcohol problem." I told her that my "alcohol problem" had occurred decades earlier when I was a teenager, so I didn't think my experience was relevant to her research. I hated being a ball-buster, but I wasn't going to invent shit.

Gabrielle Glaser's Book "Her Best Kept Secret" is Finally being reviewed by THE NEW YORK TIMES this SUNDAY!

Great news. Gabrielle Glaser http://gabrielleglaser.com/ is being reviewed in The Book Review Section of The New York Times this SUNDAY. PLease but and check it out. I dont live here but I hope to get a paper copy for my archives. Please spread the word. If you don't know this ...is a critical view of AA and my work is a chapter in the book. as is my forthcoming film The 13th Step..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-_xPU3KC5E www.leavingaa.com

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