George E. Vaillant recommends AA

Alcoholics Anonymous: cult or cure? George E. Vaillant Objective: To discuss the mechanism of action, the efficacy and the safety of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) in the treatment of alcoholism. Method: The published works on effective treatments for alcoholism is briefly reviewed and a prospective multidisciplinary follow up of recovery from alcoholism in two community cohorts of adolescent males followed Q1 from 1940 until the present day is reviewed. Conclusions: The suggested mechanism of action of AA is that it employs four factors

The cult aspects of Alcoholics Anonymous are hitting mainstream awareness. The newest revelation is that Tech Companies in Silicon Valley are setting themselves up just like the cult of AA. - Jan. 21, 2014

Silicon Valley tech companies isolate workers inside a bubble

Summary: Silicon Valley firms use cult-like practices to isolate their workers but it breeds conflict in neighborhoods.
By Tom Foremski for Tom Foremski: IMHO | January 21, 2014 -- 20:04 GMT (12:04 PST)


Company culture and cults…

Deprogramming 102

"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." ~ Lolly Daskal After leaving AA, it is helpful to schedule time that would have been spent at meetings and doing service work. Maintaining a day planner, organizer or calendar will facilitate you with the process of planning daily or weekly activities, tasks, and events. In addition to scheduling time for work, school, and family, allocating time for other tasks can be part of your daily planning.

"New Thinking On Women And Alcohol" Journalist Gabrielle Glaser Here & Now with Robin Young and Jeremy Hobson - January 20, 2014

New Thinking On Women And Alcohol

Monday, January 20, 2014

Journalist Gabrielle Glaser argues that women in particular need an alternative to Alcoholics Anonymous. (CoffeeCypher/Flickr)

Alcoholics Anonymous is commonly considered the gold standard for helping people control their drinking problems.

The NIAAA - Are they doing real research for a 450 Million Dollar Annual Budget?

Just doing more research for the film ... $450,000,000 millions dollars is in The Presidents Budget for research and prevention. Is this a real Government agency or is it covertly ridden with Steppers and old timers from AA and NA. Does anyone know? Im putting this stuff in the film. I know that Marty Mann Started the first National Council on Alcoholism , But that was just a front group to promote AA' s thinking and agenda. Any one have more knowledge about this? Thank you . here is the link

Steppin' My Life Away

Eddie Had-it ~ Stepping My Life Away

Well the 12 Step pedagogue
bore me with a drunkalogue
smoke break up ahead
slow me down makin no time
Gotta keep ranting

those 12 Step vipers
blowin' out a gasket
keepin perfect rhythm
till it's time to pass the basket
gotta keep chanting

Ooh I'm stepping my life away, looking for a better way, for me
Ooh I'm stepping my life away, living Bill Wilson's way

12-Step Semantics

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You better do this, or you'll suffer that. I can't...a formless deity can...I think I'll let it. Along with deprogramming, knowledge of how words and language keep people in endless feedback loops is helpful to counter the limiting verbal commandments of AA and assert one's individuality. A few thoughts in that regard: "Higher Power" is mentioned 5 times in the AA Big Book "God" is mentioned at least 160 times "Spiritual" is mentioned about 90 times "Spirit" is mentioned at least 23 times "Sanity" is mentioned 15 times

Deprogramming 102

"Just keep moving forward and don't give a shit about what anybody thinks. Do what you have to do, for you." ~ Johnny Depp It is helpful to keep a diary or personal journal while undergoing the deprogramming process. Writing down your thoughts and concerns, feeling your feelings and emotions, and releasing stress, can all be accomplished within the pages of a journal. Creating a blog and/or posting comments in forums can assist you while deprogramming.

The Circle Jerk is ?

obsessed cause he thinks he looks smart compared to us? Feels a calling to defend AA? Hates so much that all he can see is hate in others? Or, do we look so hateful to him that he feels it is necessary to expose this hateful forum?

Deprogramming 102

“It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” ~ Thomas Sowell For Those of You Who Don't Know My Tale of Whoa... I attended my first AA meeting back in December 1988. In January 1989, I went to a 30-day rehab in Staten Island, New York. For my aftercare, it was "suggested" that I do a 90/90 in AA. The "spiritualnotreligious" program did not coincide with my beliefs, and I walked away from AA in February 1989, after attending two or three meetings.

Classic line from a Stepper

Oh reddit, you are so such a great resource for stepper-speak. So the OP has recently given up drinking and is writing a blog, and her reply is:
"I don't mean to be rude, but I am not likely to read your blog since I've been sober longer than you are old." This is the same redditor who had disliked Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode.

Alcoholics Anonymous in Newspapers, Magazines and other Periodicals

For those that have not seen this site, and need some late night reading material.

Writings of William White

I was mostly unaware of this guy until I stumbled onto his website yesterday. He is a very accomplished clinician, writer, historian, etc. He is an even-handed chronicler of all modes and avenues of recovery from alcohol and other drugs. His non-judgmental approach is inclusive of secular options, evidence-based treatments, advocacy for self-change and individually tailored recovery and growth strategies. A very refreshing, sane and forward-thinking man with a probing but accessible style. From his website: Selected Papers of William L. White

Deprogramming 102

"Believe in yourself and all that you are. Know that there is something inside you that is greater than any obstacle." ~ Christian D. Larson It has often been said that it takes 21 days to form a new habit. After making the decision to leave the rooms of AA, the deprogramming process begins. While deprogramming from the toxic effects of Alcoholics Anonymous will take much longer than 21 days, new thoughts and behaviors can be formulated and utilized from the onset after leaving the cult.



Moving the Orange Papers web site to a new host


The Orange Papers is changing hosts. I'm finally getting this web site off of, because of their terrible and dishonest service. It turns out that Hostmonster is an overseller, meaning that they promise you the moon to get you to sign up with them, and then they break all of their promises after they get you. Which means that Hostmonster is to web hosting sort of what A.A. is to recovery.

Deprogramming 101

This is the fifteenth and final entry in a series for deprogramming from the adverse effects sustained from exposure to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and their brainwashing repetitive propoganda. (Note: In this series, I make use of AA slogans to emphasize a point. In practice, the use of slogans should always be avoided in everyday conversation.) Let go of old ideas -- Just get on with your life.

thanks for the shitty response --wow!

This is mostly to LFOD and NOAAinUK. I tried to respond to your comments about my concern over Anti Denial's ultra conservative hate blog dressed up to look like concern over dangers in AA. The idea that I did not go to the same meetings as you and that maybe I should go back is profoundly shitty. Why don't you reread my post and look at why I wrote it. People who are shaky about their drug/alkie addiction need to land in a safe spot.

Let's have a discussion about Dr. Drew

This is something I've been thinking about since yesterday when I stumbled across this thread in which John-Barleycorn mentions a place called Diamond Ranch Academy, where apparently a teenage student recently hung himself. I'd never heard of the place before, so I googled. Turns out it's another one of those incredibly unethical reform schools in which parents pay thousands of dollars a month to have their "troubled" teenagers abused by crazy assholes.

Needed to remove

Thanks for responses

IMPORTANT!! - REAL Science Points to Humans Are Not From Earth

A REAL doctor says we humans are not from Earth. Verified scientific proof the bible is wrong

Dr Ellis says that while the planet meets humans’ needs for the most part, it does not perhaps serve the species’ interests as well as the aliens who dropped us off imagined.

Real Science Points to the Existence of God! God DOES Exists!

Real science demonstrates that an all-powerful Supreme Being, of infinite intelligence, carefully provided more than sufficient proof to remove all doubt that He exists. To read article go to: Jim Two Battle's Blogs:

AA Rejection Surveys

I am searching for formal survey results on the reasons people give when they decide not to attend AA for help with alcoholism. Not simply anecdotal stories or angry blame games for relapse, but a real follow-up done through agencies. Is it religion, to many undesirables, to complicated, or just want to do it on their own. I have been an AA member many years but am very worried the fellowship is heading in the wrong direction. Our sacred text which cannot be altered, the babbling about what god is up to, even the people who feel it is necessary to plug Jesus as their savior.

Deprogramming 101

This is the fourteenth entry in a series for deprogramming from the adverse effects sustained from exposure to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and their brainwashing repetitive propoganda. (Note: In this series, I make use of AA slogans to emphasize a point. In practice, the use of slogans should always be avoided in everyday conversation.) We're all here because we're not all there -- Recovering From Recovery

NA DAYTONA Hates Heroin or, Anti Denial Makes AA Look Normal

Here is why I do not believe in making "anti aa-ism" my primary purpose. Some "anti AA-ers" are way more judgmental and nuts than anyone I've ever met in the roomz.

IMPORTANT!!! First, read below

Cult religion is such an easy con to sell to the suckers. And it's cheap too. It doesn't cost anything to sell cult religion. And you never have to produce the goodies. The routine is always, "If you don't get holy from this cult religion, it's because you are a disgusting sinner who won't get clean."
Let's face it, if some preacher says, "You are a disgusting sinner!" and you respond, "Yes, that's the religion that I want to join!" then you have a problem.

Deprogramming 101

This is the thirteenth entry in a series for deprogramming from the adverse effects sustained from exposure to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and their brainwashing repetitive propoganda. (Note: In this series, I make use of AA slogans to emphasize a point. In practice, the use of slogans should always be avoided in everyday conversation.) If you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it -- The 13th Step / The Film

An Old Favorite

I love this video. Enjoy!


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