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Orange Has Spoken

For those of you that may have missed it, Orange posted about forum requirements (note below). I haven't said much about this topic. There has been too many hits below the belt in the forum lately. Actually, it's been going on a while. For the record I'd like to make it clear that I've been pretty disgusted by it. Anti AA blogging in the last 16 months has been my first experience in online discussions. I'm not sure what I expected, but I know this wasn't it. We've all gotten a little out of hand at times, but to continue on in that fashion gets us nowhere.

Oh No! I just had to share this...Alcoholics Anonymous - Chosen ones.

What a complete pile of rubbish! Secular my pimply white ass! Why We Were Chosen --This isn't a misprint. This is an actual Pamphlet from the Chicago Central Office of Alcoholics Anonymous.

1944 Washington DC AA Pamphlet and Guide for Alcoholics

No wonder we feel shame, guilt, and become depressed. This from a program that we thought would make us feel better. The following are our common defects. Selfishness -- the common vice of all alcoholics. Egotism -- who is without some of it? Self-importance, Mr. Big. False pride -- to big to admit a fault or an error. Impatience -- the spoiled child in a grown man. Resentments -- an Alcoholic usually is sore at the whole world -- everybody is wrong. Lack of Common Honesty -- usually fooling ourselves and trying to fool others. False pretense, Sham. Deceit.

Group argues weed is safer than booze

I know Ironic is big on this and I've read about heavy drinkers switching to pot to help them. Imgaine being able to function, go to work and have a life. I like this idea. I don't know much about the history of marijuana (now on my already long reading list) but I wonder if it was because of booze problems the Government decided they shouldn't allow anything substances that alter the mind.

The Dui Blackout

We may have beat up this topic quite a bit in the “Did the OP ruin your AA?” thread. I’d like opinions and ideas about an extension of the dui problem. Not as it pertains to AA, but how offenders are sentenced. I asked my Mom the following question a while back: “If you were a juror on a dui case, how do you think you would handle the dui driver that had killed a person after blacking out?”.

Bill Wilson's Original Story.. Long!

Bill Wilsons Original Story Handwriting: Wilson’s Original Story Note: All pages are 8.5" by 14"; marked text means more than one letter was typed over another, or text was crossed out with x though still readable; typos in the manuscript or strange language are left as is; some areas that were hard to read are replicated as best as possible. 1. When I was about ten years old my Father and mother 2. agreed to disagree and I went to live with my Grandfather, 3. and Grandmother . He was a retired farmer and lumberman. As I

Bill Wilson slips from his chair.

I wonder, actually I question, if Bill W. stayed sober throughout the years. Regular commenters make a good point. Why isn't Bill Wilson's sober date celebrated? Everything else in AA is celebrated. Seems every day is special: Groups celebrate their individual existence, Dr. Bob's anniversary is celebrated, The BB publication, etc. Perhaps it's a ploy to get into the newspapers. You know, some of that "attraction not promotion" type of publicity.

Clara, can you share with the OPF

This isn't a personal attack and I'm not trying to prove a hidden point. I'm realy interested in learning how to block users on the computer. Clara, you claimed that your husband was able to block comments from a couple of forum contributors. Can you please ask your husband how this was done OR ask him to share with us the process?

Tired, Depressed, or Doped?

Fun on Derby Day

Today is the Kentucky Derby. This is the biggest day in Horse Racing. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/ I thought it would be fun if we played. There is a 20 horse field and it is very difficult to predict a winner. I suggest that we each pick 3 horses and depending on which position those horses finish, apply points and tally them. Least points win.......bragging rights? LOL. Example: If the (3) horses I chose placed 5th, 16th, and 9th - I'd have a total of 30 points. Here is the field: 1. Daddy Long Legs 2. Optimizer

Picture of Article. Bill G. Wilson

I'd like to post a picture from my computer. Can anyone advise my on how to do this?

Edited a few hours later, 5/4/12

I've finally gotten the picture up, and I'm glad I spent the time. It will come in handy in the future. Thanks everyone for your help!

Creep Alert ... Are Alcoholics Anonymous meetings safe?

Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Dustin Williams HAS to go to AA or NA meetings according to a judge in Atlanta, and according to AA/NA members and supportors, addicts HAVE to go to AA or NA meetings or they will die. Dustin Shawn Williams, 27, of Atlanta, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (community supervision modified); modification to include 90 days ISF, attend two Alcoholics/Narcotics Anonymous meetings weekly, retain a sponsor within 60 days, complete the Cass County Aftercare Program, and obtain employment.

Morningside Recovery accused of unlicensed treatment.

Morningside Recovery has been in the news a lot in the last year. A young man died under their care and it appears as if they have been running sober living homes without a license and have been forced to shut some down. Provided services that you aren't licensed for has been going around for a lot of years. Many people seem to think they are qualified to give advice on this practice, despite the need for a special license. I'm glad they are cracking down on checking these places out. There has been too much injustice in the recovery industry.

Propaganda Techniques used by AA - 1) Lie By Omission and Half-Truths. Parts B.

---This is a continuation of a topic I brought up the other day. Orange discussed the Chapter To Wives, giving examples of Bill W.'s Lying by Omission. --Below is more of Orange's examples of 'Lying by Omissions and Half-truths' propagating techniuques as they relate to Bill Wilson and AA. Orange is quoted with the bold text and quotes from the AA text are italicised. ---Thoughts and arguments?

“Oh, I get that craving. I’ve been there. This is how I recovered/abstained.”

C&E said yesterday about something that pisses her off. Well the topic of the blog that I am starting today is something that pisses ME off. Well actually it was the entire article/advertisement, one for a treatment facility and 12 step groups, that got me going. It is one of the more blatant ones I have seen actually. Most do not mention outright that their go-to recovery model is 12-step. There is usually an * at some point or an innuendo that makes it clear to those experienced with stepping that it is the model they use.

Pain while sleeping

Hi all, on a personal level I\'ve been having pain while I sleep. And I wonder if anyone, particular Suboxone users, have experienced something similar. Btw, I also take Cymbalta, Zoloft, and half of an Ambien at night.

Marty Mann, another AA socialite that broke the traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous, becoming a solicitor for the cult.

Marty Mann breaks personal anonymity and did so at the level of press. Instead of scorned for her obvious lack of humility and overt infringement of Step 11, she’s historically praised. ----11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.----

The Social Class of AA, NA. Should addicts be allowed in AA?

I thought I'd start a new page about this since it's a popular topic. It was hard to follow in the other bog, it getting so long. Clara thinks it's not a good idea. Alcoholics can learn from alcoholics and confusion occurs when addicts come to AA and discuss drugs. Many addicts that want to work the 12 steps aren't fond of NA for various reasons and have tried AA. Some have either felt or been told that they weren't welcome.

Limerick man jailed for pipe assault at Pottstown AA meeting

NORRISTOWN – A Limerick man has admitted to using a pipe as a deadly weapon to assault another man during an altercation at an Alcoholics’ Anonymous meeting at a Pottstown church. http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20120412/NEWS01/120419800/-1/SPORTS04/l...

Calaveras County NEEDS to reduce prison overcrowding. Guess how?

County plan to deal with ‘realigned’ convicts OK’d http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/County-plan-to-deal-with-re... "Calaveras County leaders Tuesday approved a plan for overseeing formerly prison-bound criminals now in county custody under the state’s prison “realignment plan.”

Stepping facility, The Ark of Little Cottonwood Treatment Center cited for exploiting clients

Read the article here: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19929490 Controversial drug treatment center was cited for exploiting clients Below are snipits. Emphasis' is mine. "New allegations have surfaced against The Ark of Little Cottonwood, an addiction treatment center in Sandy. State regulators put their license in jeopardy months ago, saying clients were exploited for personal gain and were embarrassed, humiliated and even frightened as part of their treatment."

“Why don’t you choose your own conception of God?"

Bill Wilson couldn't even get his own story straight. On page 12 of the Big Book he gave a descriptive account of an interaction he had with his friend: "My friend suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said, 'Why don't you choose your own conception of God?' That statement hit me hard. It melted the icy intellectual mountain in whose shadow I had lived and shivered many years. I stood in the sunlight at last." Can you smell the Bill-shit? Why didn't Bill tell the truth?

Differences between SMART and AA

1) SMART is based on a scientific foundation. The approaches will continue to be adjusted as new evidence emerges. 2) SMART meetings involve discussions. People are engaged in collaborative problem solving. 3) SMART promotes abstinence but doesn't condemn or turn away those seeking to moderate. 4) SMART promotes self-helping action tendencies instead of self-defeating action tendencies. 5) SMART doesn't consder that all addicts are alike. There is no one solution for everyone. 6) SMART emphasizes that each addict determine what is best for him or her. No one makes a choice for them.

"Once they walked in the door, they 'dropped to their knees and started praying,'."

Dr. Bob's Home continues on, despite conviction of former operations manager "Raymond Collins, 48, of Akron was sentenced to two years' probation in January after he pleaded guilty to a charge of grand theft in Summit County Common Pleas Court. Collins, who oversaw the nonprofit's books, took $52,872 from February 2009 through July 2011, Akron police said. He was ordered to make restitution.

Recent Sentencing to the 12 step Religion.

Cushing Teen Freed After Months in Custody http://www.1600kush.com/story.php?id=4959&section=1 "Eddie Mathew Wright, 19, had pleaded guilty to possessing a stolen truck, running three roadblocks, endangering the Yale police chief while running a stop sign, offering a bribe and driving on a revoked license.

Once an Addict, Always an addict. What do you think?

Interesting. I don't know how to load the picture of the pie chart but it consists of approximately a 70/30 split in aggreement that once people become addicted they remain an addict. Apparently for life. They surveyed 178 young people between the ages of 12-20. I'm particularly interested to know how they personally came to their conclusions. Were they "taught" to believe it? If so, where did they learn it from? Below are a few opinions of the surveyed and some statements I found qute amusing, lol:

Man allegedly sexually molested an underage girl DURING a Narcotics Anonymous meeting. This should never have happened!

http://daltondailycitizen.com/local/x1450999297/Man-charged-with-child-m... Man charged with child molestation has bond hearing Friday Mark Millican Dalton Daily Citizen March 29, 2012 DALTON — A Dalton man accused of sexually molesting an underage girl during a substance abusers support group meeting has a bond hearing scheduled for Friday in Whitfield County Superior Court.

Is AA a Religious Faith Healing Program?

Over one year ago I met several gals in an aftercare group that was affiliated with a 6 week treatment program we had formerly "graduated" from. The suggestion was to attend group therapy each week for a year, and I mainly attended because I had stopped going to any 12 step meetings and thought I needed support. Actually, it was helpful for me in the begining. Transitioning out of a daily structured routine and back into a life where I was personally managing every minute of my time was difficult. At least in comparison to what I had most recently been used to.


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