www.orange-papers.org

So you quit drinking and drugging and you're bored, so you start going to meetings get a sponsor , then all hell breaks loose , drama.. you get the same drama as if you were still all fucked up. So you become a sponsor and the drama becomes even more intense. Then you hear someone at a meeting talk about the gallon of whiskey the case of beer the several bottles of wine they are going home to drink. Then you realize what binge drinking is . whew drama. At the same meeting a young pigeon explains how her higher power helped her color code her wardrobe. drama..

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I have been sober for 10 years today.
You’re not sober, you’re just abstinent.

OK, I’m just abstinent, not sober, and I haven’t had a drink for ten years.
You might be abstinent but, you’re not sober. You’re just a dry drunk.

OK, I’m just a sober dry drunk.
No, you’re not sober.

OK, I’m just an abstinent dry drunk.
You might be dry but, you don’t have sobriety.

I thought I was sober.
You might be sober but, you don’t have good sobriety.

I don't know but this is a major reason I drank.

http://www.freejohnnydare.com/fjd/2009/06/voodoo-punanny/

This forum needs a little more humor to lighten folks up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXaXwlkRcqU

Meet Robin - This video makes a strong case for AA's stated purpose and continued existence.

In Alcoholics Anonymous, very deadly mind games are often played with the prospects for Alcoholics Anonymous that they are constantly searching for in their Hospital and Institutions (H&I) and Corrections committees. Some prospects are voluntary and others are court ordered (mandated) to AA in an attempt to coerce them into joining the fellowship.

What struck me from day one of my entry into recovery culture were the dualities in almost everything discussed. These people are like shadowboxing for eternity, you never know which tactic they'll switch to next except that every one will include how wrong you were in whatever is being discussed. Of course, their own arguments are always contradicted by their own arguments, and if you point this out then get ready for the personal insults to start flying, usually with heaps of condescension.

Lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jibEwOHr2t8

so fresh out of rehab.. was told to stay sober must do 90 in 90 , actually did 270 in 90, got a sponsor. was constantly told i must do steps, I had no problem in the beginning, I figured if that's what it took I was in. Quickly realized many people who had done the steps were constantly relapsing . When I started questioning why the steps weren't working keeping people sober was told they hadn't been honest on their fourth and fifth step. A friend of mine at this point committed suicide and instead of grieving all i heard was he never finished his fourth step.

There's something that I've wondered about for some time. We all know there is a significant religious element to AA. Now I've been to quite a few meetings in the past, however, they have all been in Canada. I've been to meetings all over Ontario (Canada's largest province) as well as in Alberta. In every single case the Lord's Prayer was recited at the meeting (a very Christian practice). Now, AA has the most popularity in North America and other "western" countries, so presumably this is the predominant "prayer" at most AA meetings.

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Somewhere where could go and meet people who want to talk. I have learned so much by listening to others.

Sorry - I'm English - learnt my American from the Simpsons. 6 Months old and look how vibrant it is. Even with Marietta. Keep it up guys - were going to win.

It's a sign that we are winning that Marietta has now made more entries on here than she has on the a-SS site since she joined in 2007

So I was at a meeting this afternoon and it was actually pretty cool for a change. There is this one black dude in his 30s who was released from prison about a year ago. He's taking some courses at a local community college and is currently working on a paper about spirituality. The topic of the meeting was on having a spiritual awakening. Anyway, every time he's at meetings he has these school books with him and he is so very proud and enthusiastic about his studies. He always comes straight from the library directly across the street.

My dear Brett,
I will be leaving Thursday morning for the wilds of the great Northwest and will be incommunicado for a few days. I leave behind all of my empty posting space to you, so that you may fill it with your downhome wisdom and charm. Please note that I am traveling north on a mission to gather what is known as filthy lucre through my humble efforts to provide for my contracted employer; I risk revealing this, knowing that you or others might jump in with the supposition "pimp", but I assure you this is not the case :)

When determining the value of Spiritual programs, theologians, Spiritual advisers, religious organizations and business consultants have come up with a way to calculate the value added to society by Spiritual Groups called Spiritual Capital:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Spiritual_capital