Lance Dodes explores the current state of Evidence-Based Treatment in Addiction and the Studies associated with it. Are the current studies flawed (skewed) because of the way they are held (self report and dropping the people that quit the study)?

What Do We Really Know About Addiction?

By Lance Dodes 06/04/15

..... Evidence-based treatment is as accepted as motherhood and apple pie. After all, evidence is the cornerstone of science itself. Before the Age of Enlightenment, people could claim anything was true, but evidence tells us whether claims are justified. There's just one problem: if the evidence is faulty or irrelevant, so is the claim based on it. That is exactly what has happened for too much of what we are told in health care, and addiction in particular....

Is AA an abusive and traumatic experience?

Where is the evidence?

12 Steps to Dead now has a Facebook page for those that care

It's not so much about the book as it's just another resource and place to vent about what a wretched program AA is and to
"share" how the fellowship was not only unhelpful to you, but that it actually hindered your well being.

It's a Public Group so if anonymity is a concern, probably not a great place for you to go unless you have an alias presence as
many on Facebook do.

Just go into the search screen and type in 12 Steps to Dead and request to join.
The trolls will be there....until they aren't.....

Old but interesting news: National Drug Control Strategy

Sponsored by Senator Joe Biden in 1990 was the National Drug Control Strategy Act that supported the Federal criminal authorizing courts to allow early release of some drug dependent offenders with special conditions. Those specifically named as conditions were the following: “submission to periodic drug testing, regular attendance at meetings of Narcotics Anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous, or Cocaine Anonymous, and participation in an outpatient substance abuse counseling program”.

Note: in 2007 Joseph Biden introduced the Recognizing Addiction as a Disease Act.

Where have you seen the Psychotic AA Smirk the most during your time in Alcoholics Anonymous or 12 Step Programs?

I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during shares at AA meetings by people with Guru status and no training.
25% (1 vote)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk before and after AA/12 Step meetings.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk from people who want to be my Sponsor.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during an "Intervention"into the AA faith.
0% (0 votes)
I have seen the Psychotic AA Smirk during all of the above. Meetings, parkinglots, Sponsors and Interventions.
50% (2 votes)
I have never seen the Psychotic AA Smirk because I am an AA member who has never looked in the mirror when hunting prospects.
0% (0 votes)
Other- Please explain in the comments your view of the Psychotic AA Smirk.
25% (1 vote)
Total votes: 4

Have you been victimized by the Psychotic AA Smirk?

intr.v. smirked, smirk·ing, smirks
To smile in an annoying self-satisfied manner.
An annoying self-satisfied smile.
1. a smile expressing scorn, smugness, etc, rather than pleasure
2. (intr) to give such a smile
3. (tr) to express with such a smile
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Why Jack Trimpy put an end to Rational Recvoery meetings.

The name Jack Trimpey always seems to go over as well as the sound of Robert Shaws nails on the Blackboard in the Town Meeting scene in the movie Jaws. Trimpey allowed people to organize meetings around his first book that he written called "The Small Book" in the 90's. Apparently he went to a meeting, and was disgusted at how these Rational Recovery meetings were becoming just like AA, only using different terminology. He copyrighted the words Rational Recovery and would not permit any meetings to use his materials, or the words Rational recovery.

When Bill Wilson, or any other AA member has sex it's a scandal...

Why they even made a movie about it!... It's called The 13th Step.

When someone from the AA critical movement does the same thing it's "hot."

I don't get this... Can someone please explain it to me?

What are Emmerdale trying to say?

I'm a bit confused about Emmerdale. Many Brits have seen the soaps attempts to promote the stepper cult on British TV lately. What relevance to actually 'stopping drinking' as opposed to becoming indoctrinated into the cult of AA, using the word 'alcoholic' is .....I fail to see.

Testosterone and Alcohol - A Lethal Combination

All the in-fighting, bitching and back-stabbing within the anti-AA movement generated by the release of The 13th Step Movie has obscured some of the key issues relating the Karla Brada murder.

What is meant by "Outside Issue" in Alcoholics Anonymous and how is it tied to "Controversy" in Tradition 10? What is considered a "non-outside issue" in AA?

Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

12&12 Tradition Ten, p.176

Tradition 10 - All history affords us the spectacle of striving nations and groups finally torn asunder because they were designed for, or tempted into, controversy.

12&12 Tradition Ten, p.176

AA Tradition 10 - In this respect, we do not enter into public controversy, because we know that our Society will perish if it does.

Monica's film

Guys, I logged into this site after a long absence recently because I thought there might be some celebration , from those of us who have known each other from the Stinkin’ Thinkin’ days, of the fact that Monica’s film has been such a success . But all I’ve seen here are personal attacks on her – from anti-AA people, of all people – and almost no appreciation of what this film could do to raise awareness of abuse within AA. This is a hugely serious issue, which we all should be concerned about.

The 13th step film... Tarnished

Stanton Peele has quite a way with the ladies.

I wonder if Monica did background checks before choosing her "experts" for the movie.


Deep felt and sincere apologies to ALL Anti Steppers I have annoyed or insulted on this forum......including JR Harris, Rolf Ankermann, Flannigan, the-new-black, itisi, ben, Gunthar, Simon, Brett etc If I haven't mentioned you I hope you never the less accept my sincere apology for words said in anger.

Gunthar Gate - Cruel and Usual

IMO, Based on observing the OPF there are only 2 Orangies that meet the definition of bat shit crazy, Gunthar and JR Harassment. lol

Gunthar will always end up showing his true colours, he can't help himself. cruel as is usual. His sponsor, JR Harassment, can only support him.

Again, Emotions Anonymous guys.

I bid all an adieu.

I leave as my final contribution to the OPF the following rendition of what I have come to see as being Gunthars theme song. True Colours.

Are you Bat Shit Crazy?

33% (2 votes)
67% (4 votes)
Total votes: 6

Gunthar Gate - Rally the troops

First things first.

Gunthar said:

I have a secret. 2015-05-21 14:09

In fact... I have a few of them that will blow the roof off of the anti AA movement.

The fact is, nearly 100% of the folks I've encountered throughout my five or so years as a participant are unstable, hypersensitive, or outright fucking crazy.

Wanna know more?

Orange? You okay buddy?

Haven't seen you for a while.

Hope you are okay.

Enough already....OPF, Stinkin thinkin, leaving AA, ...all of you FFS-Let it go already!

People who come here because they were driven to the main site while researching the insanity that is AA don't give a rat's
ass about squabbles among various AA related websites, blogs, etc......
That's not why they come to take a look and I sure as hell can't blame them for never coming back.

Tales of the absurd in Alcoholics Anonymous. Charles Abbott of Aspen Colorado (AA Area 10 District 14) after allegedly assaulting 75 year old man in AA meeting on May 9, 2015, brings a stuffed Owl to court as his defense...

Aspen defendant enlists stuffed animal as his attorney

Charles Abbott came to court Tuesday with a stuffed animal and placed it on the defense table in front of him.

“He’s a very sensitive guy, has law degrees from Yale, Harvard and Stanford,” Abbott told Pitkin County Court Judge Erin Fernandez-Ely. “I think he’ll be able to represent me before a public defender comes online.”

I miss the

Just wanted to let Orange know! Still check to see if there any new ones.


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