Good news about speaking @ Hospitals and Institutions

What a thing to do!! We have very different ideas about how to alter our current realities, no? ;)

I wish you luck, of course.

1. It is not "my charity" - I just do some voluntary work there. I have no say in their decision making.
2. The charity have worked with people with substance abuse problems for many years and have a lot of experience with self-help groups and treatment centres.
3. Through their own experience, real monitored data, not anecdotes, they have the proof that neither AA nor treatment centres work.
4. Subsequently, they will not have anything to do with either of them.

There's is not an uninformed, biased decision. They have many, many years more experience than you do Clara. Also they have the ability to analyse real data without prior bias. They are the ones who have no contempt prior to investigation - shame you can't say the same thing.

This has been clear all along and you have, more than once, tried to knowingly twist the facts to suit your case. Don't - it's dishonest.

But I would never walk into a SMART meeting being the one who was going to chair the meeting and spend the entire time downgrading SMART.
You also have to take into consideration Avo is manipulating her way into chairing this meeting. The people who are offering this chair think she is representing AA, she is lying.
So far be it from me to point this out. It is not a judgment, gigi, it is a fact!!!!!!

Sorry, Avo. I used to work with an attorney that used tricks like this. And of course he was just doing his job "to be sure that people were served properly. " He used to have them served at their kids' wedding or baptisms, or the funerals of their mothers. You couldn't convince him there was something wrong with it. I had to leave his office although it was a great paying job because I sickened at reading the obit and engagement announces with the only intent to go and add badly to someone's situation.

I support you doing this as a private endeavor. Call the facility and make an appointment with the Driector and tell her your stuff. Make an appointment to speak. I am sure you are letting these parties involved have no idea, and your poor friend is so new that she has no idea what is wrong with it. When we did it, two people would go an give a short talk. Are you going by yourself?

But, Avo, HER behavior has nothing to do with yours. Your friend has her reasons. Heck, she may even be mandated and there might not be SMART meetings in your area. She may also just have the right fit with a meeting and a time she can make one. People have all sorts of reasons for that.

We are alike in one fashion. There are people on this board that remind me what I used to be like. I've said that before when Ben screams at me why am I here... My meetings in MB were nice places to be. This place reminds me of the bars I used to go to...just waht's out there if I ever decide to leave the life of sobriety.

You go for it girl.

And remind me never to get in a fight with you...lol

Why are you so testy if this is an honorable thing to do? Look at your own reaction to the responses that aren't favorable? So what if you haven't been to a live SMART meeting? That doesn't matter.

I'm sorry, dear, but this is just wrong. If you still want to do it, you have been provided with a strategy that achieves your aim. If the Director is interested in your proposition, fine. Run with it. If not, let it go for another day. Taken straight from working with others.

Wow. Un-nice avo is un-nice.

This is so screwed up on so many levels. Personally I think she is full of it. There is no way she was telling this girl she was supporting how much she hated AA. This makes absolutely no sense. Then why take this girl to a AA meeting in the first place. Why not take her to SMART, Woman in Sobriety or any other alternative. If SMART didn't have meeting why not sit with her on the computer.
Clara she is full of it and if she isn't then she lacks the very morals she screams AA doesn't have.