The Daily Bitch 4th March 2012

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Submitted by btnben on Sat, 03/03/2012 - 16:20

This is just a personal opinion, but I am getting severely pissed off with the trolls on here. They are going to kill off this forum if something isn't done about them. Trolls, like any other cancer, are best disposed of quickly.

This forum was great fun and was really starting to grow until the trolls arrived. Clara and Danny are currently ruining this forum. What does everyone else think?

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Clara

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 06:57

I see similarities. When people post things such as AA/bad because you have to pay whereas SMART/good because it is free - well, that is not true. Both programs are free. AA/bad because it sells literature when SMART does as well, that rather cancels each other out. I am listening to what people post as an alternative and why they think one is superior to the other when BOTH apparently have some success. We can debate numbers, I guess, but SMART doesn't have any success figures it offers. It may not be religious and/or spritiual, but one figure its own honcho gives out is that 60% have a God or a Higher Power.

As far as I am concerned, if someone has found something that works for them and is keeping them sober (if that is their aim), then fine by me!

I realize this is an anti-AA site, but the posters in turn offer SMART as a savior. Why is it not up for review?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:20

Why benny? Are you bored?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:40

Where I live the SMART meeting I visited Monday night was facilitated by a couple. I asked them if they ever attended AA and they said they had but don't anymore. They had not been to a AA meeting in maybe 8 years. They went on to tell me that they heard of SMART through a friend and decided they wanted to involve themselves. They were happy they did. The Monday night meeting had about 12 people there. I identified myself as a Alcoholic who went to AA but wanted to check out SMART to satisfy my interest. No one took offense, they welcome me anyway. I asked some of the members at the end of the meeting if they had attended AA. Most said they had and one said no. They all had the same opinion of AA. they felt it was to much pressure and the fellowship spent to much time screwing around. That personalities played to big of a part in AA. I told them I agreed with their analysis (I actually did).
I am going back next Monday and I will pay more attention to the actual curriculum that happens during the meeting. Things were a bit confusing because along with me there were two other new people who were attending.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:42

"I identified myself as a Alcoholic who went to AA but wanted to check out SMART to satisfy my interest." - it's "an alcoholic" not "a Alcoholic" - moron...lol How many times do you need to be told? - moron again...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:57

Ben, please, could you stop educating the moron? You know why...

Troll free AA critical forum
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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:58

No matter how many times you tell him...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:59

This guy was going to ignore Trisha today......lol. He is so easy.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:24

Ben, her fixation with SMART is one of vindictiveness. Since we're bashing her program, she's bashing, well anything she can. She is making statements about SMART that are either untrue or half truths,mixed in with the occasional truth. Last time I checked, SMART had 600 meeting and was growing daily. I'm not finding support for some of her other assertions. It's really all she can do.

I'm thinking that she must find hanging with us, even though she's getting a lot of negative attention, far better than AA meetings. If it weren't better, she'd be going to meetings online if nothing else. I'm kinda feeling sorry for her, even though her passive-aggressiveness is eliciting the negative attention she's getting. Danny, however, is a brutal abuser. I have no sympathy for him.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:30

There seems to be something missing there. Anyone running around accusing everyone of anger has usually got some problems themselves. I agree with everything you've said. Doesn't matter what gets said on here, what's going to happen will happen - we might just speed it up a little. Don't be too hard on her - she might not have anyone else to talk to.

Danny must simply be constantly ignored. He passed redemption...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:34

It's obvious she doesn't. Let's face it. People who are truly happy in AA won't be spending all their time here.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:40

Not for the squeemish...lol

http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=39161&sid=2394c267dd66...

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:13

Did you read that Clara? That's 20 years worth of AA for ya.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:31

Just Wow.......

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:33

That is one crazy dude.

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:47

The first thing is that Fornits isn't even welly indexed by Google, and then everyone on Fornits calls Danny B as soon as he posts. Add the facts that Danny doesn't even realize that Google has identified his actual computer MAC address is priceless....... Give a Danny enough rope and ............

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:52

Google has his MAC address? LOL! His ship is sunk.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:44

Clara you are doing a good job here. They will eventually come around. They have too.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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becket

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:05

Surely you cannot deny the existence of anger on this forum.

Redemption is not yours to dole out.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:42

Clara and myself went and visited the SMART program and now we are sharing our experience.
Relax!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:01

Oh yes - on fornits

"Causy just about cremed all over herself. Of course didos beno and JR had Ono idea what the fuck might be afoot."

You are just too thick for words Bennison...lol Bet your mom's real proud...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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causeandeffect

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:11

Yep, that's AA's finest for you. Sick sick sick. Danny's what you'll sit next to at a meeting. Hell, you could even have him for a sponsor. 20 years worth of AA for you right there.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:18

This is why I say causy.... http://www.cmgww.com/sports/cousy/ It is actually a slant on the word Cousy. Bob Cousy was a basketball player for the Boston Celtics, everyone called him "cousy". I played basketball all throughout my childhood and through HS. I follow womens college basketball. My dad was avid Celtic fan and also grew up in Yorkville on the east side same as Bob Cousy.

ben you are such a male sexist pig it is not funny. If my brothers and husband read this garbage, I'll say they would not be happy . I have never been harassed, insulted and had all my posts so horribly twisted in all the years I have been online. I can't believe the women on this site just sit back like lamp posts and allow Clara and myself to be abused like we are. Avo and Anti (both women) are screaming about how people in AA don't do anything to help women. Well hypocrites what are you doing. You are no better.
No one has proved I am Danny with GUID or any other search. You won't prove it because I am not him. I have read his posts mine aren't even close. Everyone misspells and has english comp. mistakes. So what mine maybe similar to someone else on here.
Ben you are a very sick man and your anger has nothing to do with AA. There is no way I am going to believe that.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:05

You better learn more. You can't delete anything without remnants and since you have piqued the interest of the trackers, Facebook will be your downfall. Everything you have ever posted (and deleted) has been carefully copied and cataloged for over two years.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:26

Since everyone here now knows when you say Danny you mean me. So lets get to it. I don't have a facebook account and have not had one in over a year. You have no idea who I am but you love to play Professor Gadget. I am not afraid put it all out here and tell us how you know I am Danny. Put up or shut up. What are you waiting for, Orange to come by and bless the information.
I am calling you on your bluff. I say you are one sick old dude who is lonely and has nothing better to do then irritate members here with your conspiracies.
First it was Clara being marietta, then Becker being Danny, then Jonni being Danny and now I am Danny. EVERYONE IS DANNY in your head JR.
I mean it put it out here on this site or shut your mouth.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:25

He's watching you......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/22/facebooks-top-cop-joe...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:33

You are talking crap as usual. Nice try there JR Harris. I figured I came to a card game with a boy.
When you have something other then your "red face" of shame let me know.
Your fight with Danny has nothing to do with anyone on this site, so stop dragging people into fights you can't handle yourself, coward.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:45

Have a nice day!

(P.S. Destroy your hard drive and smash your NIC card, both wireless and corded)

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:57

If you go back and read Marietta posts you will see she/he- not so nice and pretty brutal. Just trying not to get kicked off-like Trisha/Danny.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 21:08

You really are scary with what you write. I mean it. It is right out of the twilight zone. I am expecting Rod Sterling to appear on my screen.
Why are you doing this really? You know most of what you write is so grossly exaggerated. Is this done on purpose for effect? If I write the most grotesque article I can on here and keep pasting it everyday people will begin to be believe me. Is this the point?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:38

Perhaps that is their moral behavior as they define it...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 20:18

I think you are.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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avogadno

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:25

I didn't say they were doing good or enough.

Totally off topic.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:46

As far as off topic pertaining to this site? Not really if you really look at it.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:56

If I was the victim of a crime, I would report it regardless where it happened.

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:39

As I said to Anti, perhaps that is their moral behavior as they define. Boy, no accountability there, eh?

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jonnijoy

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 17:42

Ben, I am not trying to deny that AA has a bunch of sickos, Ive seen it for myself. But is it really dangerous in the scheme of things? The answer has so many variables it is impossible to answer.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:03

The problem is that AA have got away with hiding behind anonymity for so long, it's almost sinister. I can understand how exaggeration could occur. Basically, the whole thing needs to be looked at objectively. AA has itself become drunk on the monopoly power they have in the treatment world. They need to sober up...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:15

"AA has itself become drunk on the monopoly power they have in the treatment world. They need to sober up...lol"

Have you stopped long enough to read what your pals have posted today or any other day for that matter. You seem to be a bright gent with proper english skills. Though you do have a issue with women. You seem to be more comfortable with us when you call us by another name. Must be some mommy issues or what not.
Back to my point, read what Anti has posted and give us your best explanation for her uncorroborated comments please.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:22

It's "an issue" not "a issue". How many times do you need to be told. You just can't help giving yourself away - stoopid...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:04

Ben, I was reading up on treatment centers that use the SMART model, and the one in Thailand has a three prong approach, mental, physical and spiritual...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:10

What's your point?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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jonnijoy

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:09

Avagadno< thank you for your very intelligent common sense post. I can now go to bed and get the hell off this website. AA sucks for me but i dont find it to be a blood bath. I, like you have never witnessed any violent crime (not even a fist fight). But if we want to discuss what some people in AA can do mentally to someone that is a different story. Good night all. Got to get up at 345 am. My life sucks lol Wish I couldve went to college.

AntiDenial

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 18:15

What AA does to people mentally drives many to suicide.

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:06

ROFLMAO! The two cases cited had the people leaving AA, taking up drinking again and then making a poor choice because they couldn't scream at the enemy.

It's a tragic subject, to be sure, but no more so than your attempt to twist something into something is isn't.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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btnben

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:11

What 2 vases? You're not making sense - again

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?source=patrick.net&v=Sdn3O6aaMNc

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avogadno

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:40

What two cases?

Miss Clara, if you are commenting on my posts can you please make it known to me somehow? Like, hey Avo. Some say avocado. I respond to that too.

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avogadno

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:04

No, not a blood bath and I understand you want to be fair. It's commendable. I want to be fair too. At the same time though, I can't overlook how this is all connected. You mentioned mental harm. Some who react violently to thmenal abuse. As a matter of fact, most of the violence that occurs (that I've read about), seem to indicate that it comes from being dissed by another in the program. They allow it to continue day in and out, whether someone gets physically harmed or not. Either way it's unnaceptable. That shit can be avoided but it's not. The felons that bring guns and knives, that can be avoided too. I just get so steamed. They care more about the moolah (and SAY it's about "everyone deserves a chance to recover" blah blah blah - BILL-SHIT) and allow the low life dangerous felons to stroll in anonymously without speaking up. Sure it's not their fault the Government is sending them to meetings and the Government is fucked too. But AA CAN but doesn't do a damn thing to stop it either. They even solicit felons to come join them. Greedy fuckers! LOL (if I don't laugh I cry).

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Clara

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:09

I'm under the impression that felons cannot have guns, and our club had a no concealed weapons policy. We also had police officers that attended meetings there.

Be careful. SMART took a million dollar government grant. In return for it, all those felons should be mandated to those meetings, especially since it could continue their treatment started at the prison. But there are fewer than 300 SMART meeting locations in the US. We had close to a hundred AA meetings in MB alone.

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avogadno

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:44

I'm not here to compare smart to AA so I'm not going to comment on that.

About your meeting and the police, sounds like they were going in the right direction. I'd like to see something like that in every meeting. Not just say, "no guns allowed", but enforce it somehow - like with a safety rep OR the police. That would be hard though, I'm not sure all cities would make cops available for checking in on AA. Big changes though. Oh, when I think of how many I'd like to see or that I think are needed I think it might just be simpler to start over.

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Trisha K.

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 19:54

This site advocates alternatives to AA.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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