Boniface

As we all know, Bill Wilson claimed that a 15th century monk named Boniface helped him write the 12 & 12. I'm trying to figure out who Boniface was. Doing a Google search, I found several religious figures who went by that name. I don't think any that I found were from the 15th century. Does anyone have information on the particular Boniface who Bill was referring to?

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JR Harris's picture

It is well known that a 15th Century monk named Boniface helped Bill Wilson write the scripture of the "Twelve Steps and twelve Traditions" (12 & 12) of Alcoholics Anonymous using the Christian forbidden art of necromancy channeled through a Ouija Board. Who was Boniface, the ghost writer of the 12 & 12?

It is hard to determine which Boniface, Bill Wilson actually used as a ghost writer to spread the Spiritual disease of Steppism to the unsuspecting converts in jails, prisons and institutions without the original Ouija Board used to contact this spirit. This is one reason that the keeper and protector of Bill Wilson's Ouija board is sitting on a million dollar relic of the Alcoholics Anonymous movement.

Without the medium of Bill Wilson's Ouija board it is extremely hard to determine who actually wrote the 12 &12 of Alcoholics Anonymous, but it appears to be:

"Boniface IX: November 2, 1389 - October 1, 1404 (14 years, 11 months)
Pope Boniface IX was the second pope during the Great Western Schism and his failure to do much to end this rift causes most to regard his papacy as something of a failure. "

Source: http://atheism.about.com/od/popesandthepapacy/a/15thcentury.htm

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Edited to add: I see J.R. has located a 15-century Pope Boniface. Below is some information I located on an 8th century monk / saint of the same name.

I got curious and googled around a bit too, and I can only find one religious figure by the name of Boniface. monk, martyr, saint ..,

Boniface, known as the apostle of the Germans, was an English Benedictine monk who gave up being elected abbot to devote his life to the conversion of the Germanic tribes. Two characteristics stand out: his Christian orthodoxy and his fidelity to the pope of Rome.

How absolutely necessary this orthodoxy and fidelity were is borne out by the conditions he found on his first missionary journey in 719 at the request of Pope Gregory II. Paganism was a way of life.
[...]
During a final mission to the Frisians, he and 53 companions were massacred while he was preparing converts for Confirmation.linky

He is sometimes credited with originating the use of pine or fir trees with Christmas: linky

There's a 160+ page free ebook biography, from a text written around 1850, available here linky

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I can't find any reference in the 15th Century except for one that died in 1404. Maybe the drug-induced Mr. Wilson got the century wrong?

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JR Harris's picture

"As Spiritualism emerged in a Christian environment, it has features in common with Christianity, ranging from an essentially Christian moral system to practices such as Sunday services and the singing of hymns. Nevertheless, on significant points Christianity and Spiritualism are different. Spiritualists do not believe that the works or faith of a mortal during a brief lifetime can serve as a basis for assigning a soul to an eternity of Heaven or Hell; they view the afterlife as containing hierarchical "spheres", through which each spirit can progress. Spiritualists differ from Protestant Christians in that the Judeo-Christian Bible is not the primary source from which they derive knowledge of God and the afterlife: for them, their personal contacts with spirits provide that.[1][2]

Christians, generally speaking, accept and believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for all the sins of all mankind from the dawn of time to eternity. The great majority of Spiritualists do not accept that the death of Jesus Christ on the cross was to pay for all of mankind's sins. [1] Instead, they believe that each individual is personally responsible and has to answer for all his own thoughts, words and deeds after death upon his return to the spirit realms. Many also believe that this understanding can happen before death, even within a very short time after the event.

In the same way that Christians have the guidance of the Ten Commandments, Spiritualists follow a number of Principles, which are different depending on the tradition followed.:

Source: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Spiritualists

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marietta davis's picture

For all things Catholic, I always refer to the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic source:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/b.htm

This is in alphabetical order. Bill Wilson was somewhat of a Catholic - he must have been chatting with one or all of these Bonifaces.

JR Harris's picture

Saint Boniface has a burial and pilgrimage spot in Germany that is way more famous than the pilgrimage spots of Alcoholics Anonymous, with visits from Popes and celebrations for over 1000 years. If this is the same Boniface that helped Bill Wilson write the "Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions" the German fellow ship should be very upset about the AAWS lawsuits brought against them.

"The present cathedral stands on the site of the Ratgar Basilica (once the largest basilica north of the Alps), which was the burial site of Saint Boniface and the church of Fulda Abbey, functions which the new building was intended to continue.

The plans of the new church were drawn up in 1700 by one of the greatest German Baroque architects, Johann Dientzenhofer, who was commissioned by the Prince-Abbot Adalbert von Schleifras for the new building on the recommendation of the Pope after Dientzenhofer's study trip to Rome in 1699. The deliberate similarity of the church's internal arrangement to that of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome is testimony to Dientzenhofer's visit.

The Ratgar Basilica was demolished to make way for the new Baroque structure, on which construction began on 23 April 1704[3] using in part the foundations of the earlier basilica. In 1707 the shell was completed. The roof was finished in 1708 and the interior in 1712. The new abbey church was dedicated on 15 August 1712. The dedication tablet placed on the facade by von Schleifras gives the dedication as Christus Salvator.[4]

The new Baroque building, like its predecessor, served as the abbey church and the burial shrine of Saint Boniface. In 1752 it was elevated to a cathedral on the creation of the Diocese of Fulda. In 1802 Fulda Abbey was dissolved and the cathedral's function as the abbey church ceased, but it continued in operation as the seat of the Bishops of Fulda.

On 4 June 1905 during celebrations of the 1150th anniversary of the death of Saint Boniface a stray firework lodged in the righthand tower and started a fire (it is presumed to have set light to old jackdaws' nests). The tower was burnt out, and the bells Osanna and Bonifatius were destroyed. Other parts of the cathedral were not damaged.

After damage caused by air raids during World War II the cathedral was closed for restoration until 1954.

Pope John Paul II visited Fulda on 17 and 18 November 1980. More than 100,000 people were present on the cathedral square on 18 November to attend the open-air mass celebrated by the Pope.[5]"

Source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fulda_Cathedral#History

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