A written 4th Step at the request of her AA Sponsor and makings amends results in the arrest and murder conviction of Jamie Letson for a 30 year old cold case - 2010

Often, there is confusion if a 4th, 5th and 9th Step in Alcoholics Anonymous is considered "protected" under the law. Jamie Kellam Letson did such an Alcoholics Anonymous "spiritual" cleansing in Mobile, Alabama Alcoholics Anonymous Service Area 1 (http://www.step12.com/alabama.html) when she confessed to her AA Sponsor in 2002 and went to the grave site of Katherine Foster to make an Alcoholics Anonymous Step 9, making amends to the one she killed. It took six more years for the Sponsor to come forward and report it to the police who arrested Letson in 2008. During the trial it was said that the confession was faked and coerced out of Letson by her Sponsor because she had to confess something (4th and 5th Steps are often embellished) , never the less she was convicted of murder in 2010.

A letter to the dead

Making amends for murder

By Chip Drago
Mobile Bay Times

“After all these years I have come to you. It is me, Jamie, the girl who took your life,” so starts a letter that accused killer Jamie Letson allegedly wrote intending to read at the grave of Katherine Foster, a University of South Alabama coed whose murder on campus in 1980 has remained unsolved for 30 years.

Letson, whose murder trial opens in Mobile County Circuit Court this week, composed the letter as a “step” in her program toward recovery from substance abuse, authorities contend. Unable to find Foster’s grave, Letson read the letter in the Pascagoula cemetery while her Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor waited in the car, according to a Mobile police detective.

Letson’s trial in Circuit Judge Michael Youngpeter’s eighth floor courtroom at the Mobile County
Courthouse is expected to last two weeks. Lawyers spent most of Monday striking a jury.

Authorities believe Letson lured her longtime friend into some woods on the USA campus and shot Foster twice in the head with a handgun that Letson had stolen from her grandmother. Letson was jealous of Foster over her boyfriend, say police. Detectives were pointed toward Letson at the very beginning of the investigation, but a foul-up over the day when Foster was reported missing caused forensic scientists to miscalculate the time of death which in turn served to substantiate Letson’s alibi.

Prosecutors Will Dill and Don Valeska hope to introduce the letter into evidence against Letson this week. Defense attorney Chris Klotz of Pensacola has sought to suppress the letter, but pre-trial rulings make it probable that the letter will be admitted as evidence for jurors to weigh in determining Letson's guilt or innocence.

The hand-written letter continues:

“I don’t know where to begin. I was your friend, but I was obsessed with Tom, and you were in my way. For what it is worth, Tom hated me after your death ... although no one could ever prove that I shot you, everyone knew that I was obsessed with Tom, that I had manipulated my way into his life, and I think many people suspected that I killed you.”

Letson’s life unraveled in the years after Foster’s death.

“I am wanting to tell you how my life was shattered after this. In some ways, in this one horrible act I destroyed two lives – yours and my own. But as I write, I realize that even now, when I come to here to sort things out with you that I am being selfish."

Letson, 49, was arrested at a Jackson, Miss., shelter in 2008 after police reopened the investigation into the dusty cold case. A more explicit confession that Letson purportedly gave to detectives has been disallowed because she had asked for an attorney before making the statement.

"Kate, I am acutely aware of what I did that day. In ending your life, I robbed your family and loved ones of a future with you. Only God knows what you might have contributed. At the very least I robbed you of the chance to experience a full life – no children, no fulfilling career – and the opportunity to continue on the path you were on and to grow in God’s love. You were a good girl. A good Catholic. You care about people. You were going to Ireland to work with children in the war zone to try to bring peace to the communities. You had traveled to Mexico to help the poor in Saltillo.”

Foster would be almost 50 had she lived. Her aging parents and numerous supporters are attending the proceedings.

“I wiped out all the good in one evil, selfish moment,” the letter reads.

“I came here to make amends to you, but there is no way I can make an amends for killing you. There is no way to make things right. But at least I want you to know that I realize what a horrible thing I did.”

Authorities believe the first shot to the head staggered Foster but did not fell her. She lurched stepping in her own blood before a second, kill shot in the back of her head finished her, they assert.

The letter goes on: “And also, for what it is worth I want you to know that I live my life every day under this and I realize that no good will ever really come of me because I have this mark on my soul from when I killed you. My children are affected. It is a sickness that grows and affects everyone I come in contact with.

I have thought, Kate, that to make things right I should take my life, but I am too afraid and I think that even as broken as I am that my children need me.”

Letson’s criminal history includes a skein of drug, petty theft and forgery charges.

Attorneys for both sides are expected to deliver opening arguments tomorrow.

The letter goes on: “So, Kate, I am sorry for what I robbed you of and the pain I caused your family, especially your mother, Joanne, who is probably the greatest woman I have ever known.”

Mrs. Foster sat with prosecutors Monday as they questioned prospective jurors in the course of seating a jury.

The letter ends: “I don’t know what else to say Katie. So, goodbye.”

Source:http://www.mobilebaytimes.com/foster051710.html

Comments

it is 2013, is she still in jail?

Pennywise's picture

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Was she trying to come up with something to satisfy her sponsor?
Why did she keep the letter? (Who's brilliant idea was that?)
Was the sponsor obligated to keep silent?
How will she plead?
Will justice prevail?

I know a former minister. He got a call from a church member confessing to a killing. In the mininster's mind it was always a matter of WHEN the police were going to be called, not IF. I still have not fully come to grips with this.

JR Harris's picture

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 12, 2011

AG ANNOUNCES MURDER CONVICTION UPHELD BY APPEALS
COURT IN 1980 MURDER

(MONTGOMERY)—Attorney General Luther Strange announced that the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals (on Friday, December 9, 2011) upheld the conviction and sentence of Jamie Letson for the murder of Katherine Foster in 1980.

More than 30 years after a young woman’s body was found in the woods at the University of South Alabama in Mobile, a fellow student was sentenced in 2010 to life imprisonment for her murder. Jamie Letson was convicted and sentenced for the murder of 18-year-old Katherine Foster in 1980 when they were both freshmen students at the University.

The Attorney General’s Office re-opened the case and prosecuted at the request of Foster’s family, as well as Mobile County Sheriff Sam Cochran and then-Mobile Police Chief Phillip Garrett. Letson was indicted in November of 2008 for Foster’s murder.

The Attorney General’s Office presented evidence during a trial in May 2010 in Mobile County Circuit Court, resulting in the jury’s verdict that Letson was guilty of first-degree murder on May 27, 2010. Both Foster and Letson were students at the University of South Alabama in 1980. Witnesses testified that Letson was jealous of Foster, and that she exhibited an extreme obsession with Foster’s boyfriend.

Prosecutors said Letson lured Foster into a wooded area and shot her twice in the head. Evidence was presented that Letson confessed the crime to a member of her Alcoholics Anonymous group approximately eight years ago, and that she wrote a confession letter addressed to Foster as part of her AA program. Upon being arrested, Letson made a detailed confession to police, which was presented to the Court during her sentencing hearing. Letson’s confession was corroborated by evidence at the scene of the murder.

The successful appeal was handled by Assistant Attorney General Will Dill of the Attorney General’s Criminal Appeals Division. Those who handled the prosecution of this case included Assistant Attorneys General Don Valeska, Will Dill and Tina Coker Hammonds; special agents of the Attorney General’s Investigations Division; Victim Service Officer Doris Hancock; and Janice Hughes who served as trial coordinator.

Source: http://www.ago.state.al.us/News-142

I guess she could start AA meetings in jail. She can start by handing out "P-33 It Sure Beats Sitting in a Cell - Alcoholics Anonymous" http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/P-33%20It%20Sure%20Beats%20Sitting.pdf

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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With Friends Like This: Jamie Kellam Letson convicted of killing roommate, Katherine Foster in 1980; sentenced to life in prison
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/with-friends-like-this-ja...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Another example of a 9th Step letter leading to jail time 20 years after the crime. The story of Liz Seccuro and her rapist William Beebe who sent her a "perfumed" 9th Step letter as an amends, and a whole new round of stalking....

Dear Rapist…

Twenty years after her assault at a college party, Liz Seccuro received a letter of apology from her attacker. The correspondence that followed led her to pursue justice at last

Liz Seccuro
The Guardian, Saturday 30 April 2011

It was late summer 2005 and we were about to set out on an extended vacation with our two-year-old daughter, Ava. "Hey, you got a letter," said my husband Mike, tossing it to me like a Frisbee. It smelled faintly of vanilla, nice paper. I ripped it open and began to read the very precise, almost feminine cursive script.

Dear Elizabeth:

In October 1984 I harmed you. I can scarcely begin to understand the degree to which, in your eyes, my behaviour has affected you in its wake. Still, I stand prepared to hear from you about just how, and in what ways you've been affected; and to begin to set right the wrong I've done, in any way you see fit. Most sincerely yours, Will Beebe.......

Read the rest: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/apr/30/rape-justice-after-20-years

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Since my first meeting here in Thailand,I have tried to understand what caused a"old timer"to attack me for quoting what another "old timer"had said.also why are the 5 most favorite words in AA--"YOU ARE A F---ING A--HOLE."wHEN i FIRST MET My teacher/brother/best friend Maharaji or Prem Rawat ,I heard a Mahatma say that when a thief looks at a Saint;All the thief sees are the Saint's pockets.ie he is simply looking at everyone that he sees and checking out--How much money does this guy have and can i steal some.It is the same for the homosexual who attends AA for 13th step homosexual relationships.All that he sees is sexual images and people that he can or can not have sex with.So"from the heart the mouth speaks "and out comes an a--hole for f---ing.Most acloholics had no alcoholic gene but they did have alcoholic parenting.Little or no idea what it means to be aman or for that matter what it means to be a woman.I quote louis L"Amour--to be a man is to be responsible for ones actions and for ones own self.
AA encourages the idea that blame God for your alcoholism but never ever take any responsiblity for your actions.Simply blame God as he gave you this disease of booze.When i left meetings this last time,it was because a severely mentally ill ,closet homosexual attacked with 15 reasons why Simon is a F--ing a--hole.The chair was laughing and smiling and really enjoying himself.these 2 now control that group of AA.one of the nicest members with length of sobriety admitted"this group sucks."
Cyber trolling numerous other members to intimidate and create an atmosphere of fear and to control.
His sponsee who changed sponsors became a target for this closet queens cyber attacck and left that group but attends meetings at other vendues.
At one time sponsorship was same sex to prevent it from becoming a sexual realation.Now they troll for other homosexuals that they can "SPONSOR."Combining sex and insanity and the need for control has destroyed this group.I can simply walk away but I see those who have no place else to go.I want to thank yuppie Monkey for encouraging me to return to AA meetings to help others who are being used and abused.So little is said about the homosexual 13th steppers that i FELT IT WAS TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
Do not put me as homophobic.I respect those who are honest,but despise closet queens,their lives are a complete lie.They have learned what psychotics learn--to mimic rational behaviour.Pretend to be one of the boys.the constant availability of prostitutes,for low prices, allows many to feel that they are real men.the pro moans and groans and says "oh you were sooo good."It gets them tips from the idiots who believe--believe that sex with 60 men per week gives some pleasure.It also allows the latent homosexual to pretend that he's okay without ever accepting that being with a woman is more than simply screwing.There is adjusting ones life to the other persons needs and learning to live with and to care for another human being.Allowing oneslef to become close and gambling that real love will bring joy and not pain.so much opposition that seeks the opposite for company,talk,understanding and love.More than the recovering changing alcoholic is capable of doing.more and more I saw AA becoming a hunting ground for homosexuals .
One meeting the sponsors job was discussed.Most accepted that their'sponsor"was a god to be obeyed.
Now supposedly this is an anti nAa website,But it's more than pro or con.It's about change.for now,some of these human beings have nno alternative to AA.As one gambler said,they mark the cards,deal seconds and from the bottom of the deck,and use marked cards.Asked why do you gamble there??it's the only game in town.I can walk away,but what about those who need Aa to give them some ehlp,some support for sobriety?I have allowed myself to simply leave and evil has grown.Evil does not end wih one murder.
Whenever the good are defeated ,evil gows stronger.I have some that I like,respect and enjoy talking with.yuppie monkey attacks my statements thatI have my own view of the steps,but he chooses to ignore those who leave AA but bring the aa hatred of psychiatry with them.the idea that there is non such thing as mental illness.the mentally ill are liars,stupid,idiots ,in denial,fakes and maybe hitler was correct-simply kill.kill.kill all of those who are seen as mentallyill or claim to be mentally ill.i've lived with mental illness for many years and it'snot funny.
What is also ignored on the ORANGE FORUM is the FACT,FACT that most who attend Aa daily never work the steps.like a restaurant where you read a huge menu,choose the foods that you want then are presented with the bill.Well we do not serve food here we just talk about it.For me to be attacked for saying that some of the ideas in aa are valuable is stupidity.It is not all simply black and white.
seeing that alcohol was destroying my life.That life drunk sucked-boo hoo hoo my spin on step1
To recognize that I suffer from dual diagnosis-alcoholism and mental illness--boo hoo step2
my step2 which got me into a lot of conflict in AA to recogniize that alcoholism is a mental illness and see a psychiatrist monthly or twice a month a bad idea?? No.Now before I ever attended AA or had any idea about AA,I had, in 1972,made a decision to SURRENDER MYLIFE TO GOD. MANY DO THSI YOU KNOW
ministers,clergy,devout Christians and devout of other religions boo hoo hoo step3.
I was at constant war about how God had told me not to practise the12 steps but that steps 1,2,3 corresponded to my own faith.
yet at very STEP there were the closet queens wanting some submissive man to screw.And pushing and psuhing for sex.Useing sponsorshit as a means of obtaining CONTROL over another human beings life.
The idea to stop pretending that you are God could be used even on this forum.Stop attacking anyone who dsiagrees with your ideas: would make this a better place to communicate with others who have complaints about AA.yet what has happened in this short tiem.I HATE YOU SO HERES A VIRUS FOR YOUR COMPUTER.you disagreeed with me so allow me to attack and attack and attack you.Insult and insult you
What i've learned from this forum is not that it is simply AA that is screwed up-it is the alcoholic ,drug adddicts and human beings in general
anyways,am I the only one to notice how homosexuality has and does create conflict within inside of AA.
Some tiny faith {,from knowing God,Gnosis,knowledge/experience given to me by www.TPRF.org/prem Rawat,free of cost,} that love does conquer all.Light destroys darkness. Gnostic.

I SPY

Since my first meeting here in Thailand,I have tried to understand what caused a"old timer"to attack me for quoting what another "old timer"had said.also why are the 5 most favorite words in AA--"YOU ARE A F---ING A--HOLE."wHEN i FIRST MET My teacher/brother/best friend Maharaji or Prem Rawat ,I heard a Mahatma say that when a thief looks at a Saint;All the thief sees are the Saint's pockets.ie he is simply looking at everyone that he sees and checking out--How much money does this guy have and can i steal some.It is the same for the homosexual who attends AA for 13th step homosexual relationships.All that he sees is sexual images and people that he can or can not have sex with.So"from the heart the mouth speaks "and out comes an a--hole for f---ing.Most acloholics had no alcoholic gene but they did have alcoholic parenting.Little or no idea what it means to be aman or for that matter what it means to be a woman.I quote louis L"Amour--to be a man is to be responsible for ones actions and for ones own self.
AA encourages the idea that blame God for your alcoholism but never ever take any responsiblity for your actions.Simply blame God as he gave you this disease of booze.When i left meetings this last time,it was because a severely mentally ill ,closet homosexual attacked with 15 reasons why Simon is a F--ing a--hole.The chair was laughing and smiling and really enjoying himself.these 2 now control that group of AA.one of the nicest members with length of sobriety admitted"this group sucks."
Cyber trolling numerous other members to intimidate and create an atmosphere of fear and to control.
His sponsee who changed sponsors became a target for this closet queens cyber attacck and left that group but attends meetings at other vendues.
At one time sponsorship was same sex to prevent it from becoming a sexual realation.Now they troll for other homosexuals that they can "SPONSOR."Combining sex and insanity and the need for control has destroyed this group.I can simply walk away but I see those who have no place else to go.I want to thank yuppie Monkey for encouraging me to return to AA meetings to help others who are being used and abused.So little is said about the homosexual 13th steppers that i FELT IT WAS TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
Do not put me as homophobic.I respect those who are honest,but despise closet queens,their lives are a complete lie.They have learned what psychotics learn--to mimic rational behaviour.Pretend to be one of the boys.the constant availability of prostitutes,for low prices, allows many to feel that they are real men.the pro moans and groans and says "oh you were sooo good."It gets them tips from the idiots who believe--believe that sex with 60 men per week gives some pleasure.It also allows the latent homosexual to pretend that he's okay without ever accepting that being with a woman is more than simply screwing.There is adjusting ones life to the other persons needs and learning to live with and to care for another human being.Allowing oneslef to become close and gambling that real love will bring joy and not pain.so much opposition that seeks the opposite for company,talk,understanding and love.More than the recovering changing alcoholic is capable of doing.more and more I saw AA becoming a hunting ground for homosexuals .
One meeting the sponsors job was discussed.Most accepted that their'sponsor"was a god to be obeyed.
Now supposedly this is an anti nAa website,But it's more than pro or con.It's about change.for now,some of these human beings have nno alternative to AA.As one gambler said,they mark the cards,deal seconds and from the bottom of the deck,and use marked cards.Asked why do you gamble there??it's the only game in town.I can walk away,but what about those who need Aa to give them some ehlp,some support for sobriety?I have allowed myself to simply leave and evil has grown.Evil does not end wih one murder.
Whenever the good are defeated ,evil gows stronger.I have some that I like,respect and enjoy talking with.yuppie monkey attacks my statements thatI have my own view of the steps,but he chooses to ignore those who leave AA but bring the aa hatred of psychiatry with them.the idea that there is non such thing as mental illness.the mentally ill are liars,stupid,idiots ,in denial,fakes and maybe hitler was correct-simply kill.kill.kill all of those who are seen as mentallyill or claim to be mentally ill.i've lived with mental illness for many years and it'snot funny.
What is also ignored on the ORANGE FORUM is the FACT,FACT that most who attend Aa daily never work the steps.like a restaurant where you read a huge menu,choose the foods that you want then are presented with the bill.Well we do not serve food here we just talk about it.For me to be attacked for saying that some of the ideas in aa are valuable is stupidity.It is not all simply black and white.
seeing that alcohol was destroying my life.That life drunk sucked-boo hoo hoo my spin on step1
To recognize that I suffer from dual diagnosis-alcoholism and mental illness--boo hoo step2
my step2 which got me into a lot of conflict in AA to recogniize that alcoholism is a mental illness and see a psychiatrist monthly or twice a month a bad idea?? No.Now before I ever attended AA or had any idea about AA,I had, in 1972,made a decision to SURRENDER MYLIFE TO GOD. MANY DO THSI YOU KNOW
ministers,clergy,devout Christians and devout of other religions boo hoo hoo step3.
I was at constant war about how God had told me not to practise the12 steps but that steps 1,2,3 corresponded to my own faith.
yet at very STEP there were the closet queens wanting some submissive man to screw.And pushing and psuhing for sex.Useing sponsorshit as a means of obtaining CONTROL over another human beings life.
The idea to stop pretending that you are God could be used even on this forum.Stop attacking anyone who dsiagrees with your ideas: would make this a better place to communicate with others who have complaints about AA.yet what has happened in this short tiem.I HATE YOU SO HERES A VIRUS FOR YOUR COMPUTER.you disagreeed with me so allow me to attack and attack and attack you.Insult and insult you
What i've learned from this forum is not that it is simply AA that is screwed up-it is the alcoholic ,drug adddicts and human beings in general
anyways,am I the only one to notice how homosexuality has and does create conflict within inside of AA.
Some tiny faith {,from knowing God,Gnosis,knowledge/experience given to me by www.TPRF.org/prem Rawat,free of cost,} that love does conquer all.Light destroys darkness. Gnostic.

I SPY

Since my first meeting here in Thailand,I have tried to understand what caused a"old timer"to attack me for quoting what another "old timer"had said.also why are the 5 most favorite words in AA--"YOU ARE A F---ING A--HOLE."wHEN i FIRST MET My teacher/brother/best friend Maharaji or Prem Rawat ,I heard a Mahatma say that when a thief looks at a Saint;All the thief sees are the Saint's pockets.ie he is simply looking at everyone that he sees and checking out--How much money does this guy have and can i steal some.It is the same for the homosexual who attends AA for 13th step homosexual relationships.All that he sees is sexual images and people that he can or can not have sex with.So"from the heart the mouth speaks "and out comes an a--hole for f---ing.Most acloholics had no alcoholic gene but they did have alcoholic parenting.Little or no idea what it means to be aman or for that matter what it means to be a woman.I quote louis L"Amour--to be a man is to be responsible for ones actions and for ones own self.
AA encourages the idea that blame God for your alcoholism but never ever take any responsiblity for your actions.Simply blame God as he gave you this disease of booze.When i left meetings this last time,it was because a severely mentally ill ,closet homosexual attacked with 15 reasons why Simon is a F--ing a--hole.The chair was laughing and smiling and really enjoying himself.these 2 now control that group of AA.one of the nicest members with length of sobriety admitted"this group sucks."
Cyber trolling numerous other members to intimidate and create an atmosphere of fear and to control.
His sponsee who changed sponsors became a target for this closet queens cyber attacck and left that group but attends meetings at other vendues.
At one time sponsorship was same sex to prevent it from becoming a sexual realation.Now they troll for other homosexuals that they can "SPONSOR."Combining sex and insanity and the need for control has destroyed this group.I can simply walk away but I see those who have no place else to go.I want to thank yuppie Monkey for encouraging me to return to AA meetings to help others who are being used and abused.So little is said about the homosexual 13th steppers that i FELT IT WAS TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.
Do not put me as homophobic.I respect those who are honest,but despise closet queens,their lives are a complete lie.They have learned what psychotics learn--to mimic rational behaviour.Pretend to be one of the boys.the constant availability of prostitutes,for low prices, allows many to feel that they are real men.the pro moans and groans and says "oh you were sooo good."It gets them tips from the idiots who believe--believe that sex with 60 men per week gives some pleasure.It also allows the latent homosexual to pretend that he's okay without ever accepting that being with a woman is more than simply screwing.There is adjusting ones life to the other persons needs and learning to live with and to care for another human being.Allowing oneslef to become close and gambling that real love will bring joy and not pain.so much opposition that seeks the opposite for company,talk,understanding and love.More than the recovering changing alcoholic is capable of doing.more and more I saw AA becoming a hunting ground for homosexuals .
One meeting the sponsors job was discussed.Most accepted that their'sponsor"was a god to be obeyed.
Now supposedly this is an anti nAa website,But it's more than pro or con.It's about change.for now,some of these human beings have nno alternative to AA.As one gambler said,they mark the cards,deal seconds and from the bottom of the deck,and use marked cards.Asked why do you gamble there??it's the only game in town.I can walk away,but what about those who need Aa to give them some ehlp,some support for sobriety?I have allowed myself to simply leave and evil has grown.Evil does not end wih one murder.
Whenever the good are defeated ,evil gows stronger.I have some that I like,respect and enjoy talking with.yuppie monkey attacks my statements thatI have my own view of the steps,but he chooses to ignore those who leave AA but bring the aa hatred of psychiatry with them.the idea that there is non such thing as mental illness.the mentally ill are liars,stupid,idiots ,in denial,fakes and maybe hitler was correct-simply kill.kill.kill all of those who are seen as mentallyill or claim to be mentally ill.i've lived with mental illness for many years and it'snot funny.
What is also ignored on the ORANGE FORUM is the FACT,FACT that most who attend Aa daily never work the steps.like a restaurant where you read a huge menu,choose the foods that you want then are presented with the bill.Well we do not serve food here we just talk about it.For me to be attacked for saying that some of the ideas in aa are valuable is stupidity.It is not all simply black and white.
seeing that alcohol was destroying my life.That life drunk sucked-boo hoo hoo my spin on step1
To recognize that I suffer from dual diagnosis-alcoholism and mental illness--boo hoo step2
my step2 which got me into a lot of conflict in AA to recogniize that alcoholism is a mental illness and see a psychiatrist monthly or twice a month a bad idea?? No.Now before I ever attended AA or had any idea about AA,I had, in 1972,made a decision to SURRENDER MYLIFE TO GOD. MANY DO THSI YOU KNOW
ministers,clergy,devout Christians and devout of other religions boo hoo hoo step3.
I was at constant war about how God had told me not to practise the12 steps but that steps 1,2,3 corresponded to my own faith.
yet at very STEP there were the closet queens wanting some submissive man to screw.And pushing and psuhing for sex.Useing sponsorshit as a means of obtaining CONTROL over another human beings life.
The idea to stop pretending that you are God could be used even on this forum.Stop attacking anyone who dsiagrees with your ideas: would make this a better place to communicate with others who have complaints about AA.yet what has happened in this short tiem.I HATE YOU SO HERES A VIRUS FOR YOUR COMPUTER.you disagreeed with me so allow me to attack and attack and attack you.Insult and insult you
What i've learned from this forum is not that it is simply AA that is screwed up-it is the alcoholic ,drug adddicts and human beings in general
anyways,am I the only one to notice how homosexuality has and does create conflict within inside of AA.
Some tiny faith {,from knowing God,Gnosis,knowledge/experience given to me by www.TPRF.org/prem Rawat,free of cost,} that love does conquer all.Light destroys darkness. Gnostic.

I SPY

YuppieMonkey's picture

Or pronounced 'Buddha' when read backwards.

"I want to thank yuppie Monkey for encouraging me to return to AA meetings to help others who are being used and abused".

Did I do that?
Actually, I think you are a great fit for AA.
With your wanna-be buddhist bullshit, along with your tantrums and ramblings, I think you make a great prospect for cult religion.

"You'll pay to know what you really think". - J.R. Bob Dobbs

wHITH YOUAH bOODHITHIST THSHIT,AND WHITH YORWAH THANTWUMTHS.
aS i SAIDYou still believe that YOU ARE GOD and anyone who dhithagweeth whith you mhuthst be
Well since you are What??A God- agood old dhithghuthsting devious drunk?Anyone who dhithagweeth
whith you mhuthst be severly insulted.Boo hoo hoo.I am soo hurt.
When you attack-feel suprised that you get it returned unto you .
Actually I like monkeys,some monkeys will not do what evil human beings will do.the sadism of humanth
isth not what monkeys do.
but your little bitch session about some are thow dhithguthsting they actually talk about how steps can be seen in many different wayths.ie=some people actually disagree whith you.
1.I wanted to quit drinking-AA helped me to do that,but I never ever was soo stuupid as to accept the
AA religion.
2.I have been seeing Psychs since I killed and saw my friends killed.If you have been in battle[whith thumthing more thhan youwah mouth and youwah butt,then you have scars.Battlescars.
So long b-4 AA, I realized the need to be restored to sanity,by therapy as the BB says but who reads the BB?? Who actually practises these steps which you so freely and veeryouwently attack.Even Orange can see some good in AA.
3.I decided long ago to make my effort,effort to surrender my life to God.
so when I arrived at AA.I accepted what fit with my faith and with my experience,as Buddha[about whom you have less KNOWLEDGE than an ant] as Buddha said"Accept nothing ,even if I have said it myself,unless it corresponds with your own experience."
"You'll pay" ???Dearie isth that suppothsed to fhwhiten usthh.Isth it dearie???A threat??
It is not what you think dearie.It is what you KNOW that you have to pay for.Whith luvv dearie.
As Louis L'amour said"When i throw a rock into a pack of dogs.It is the dog that I hit that goes yipe,yipe.yipe."Did something that I said about homosexuality in AA upsthet you dearie????
Because it is one of the huge problems that exist in AA today.the closet queens that destroy meetings and attack anyone who is trying to surrender to God--inthstead of surrendering to a queer nation relationship.
It seems that on this"forum"there is a genuine fear of adressing this question.why has AA become a hiding place for so many damned closet queens???Maybe you should change your moniker to oh maybe
DOG-MOUTH???? SOO SENSSITIVE TO ANY SUGGESTION THAT YOU ARE NOT GOD-NOR EVEN A GOD.
boo-hoo-hoo.Damned internet here takes so long to load that i ended up with 3 comments instead of one.Maybe I will have to be more patient
And yes,Monkey-you have given me the inspiration to return to AA and to do battle.not to simply abandon the field to my enemies for their own diseased useages.to again and again attack the 12 steps,as being religious dogma.to educate members about the facts,the OMG truth about how AA began and what it has degenerted into.I always attacked the 12 steps as being Bastardized pseudo Christian religious crap.That's why I got the 15 reasons why Simon is an f---ing a--hole from more than one member.But now,it has reached a point where they need someone to stand against the few closet quieens
who have taken almost complete control over what could be a good place for some small amount of recovery.Does that upset the little moneky?? Actually i keep 5 monkeys on my "BUDDHIST ALTAR".Then buccha.Each one is a mother monkey holding her baby child in her arms.You see,while a human being will take a child and place his feet in boiling hot water-to punish and to teach that child a lesson- aMONKEY will never do that to her child.There are some evils that are human but not found among monkeys.Even Lord Buddha ,at one time,left his students arguing about who was the greatest,the most important,the gretest meditator and went into the forest and stayed with a baby elephant and with a monkey.Legend has it that the elephant gave Buddha water in a bamboo container and the monkey found honey and gave Buddha some honey comb.Buddha stayed with them for several days.The monkey knew to be thankful to be with Buddha.The students were idiots.Justlike you.Too easy -with such a huge ego-any tiny remark sets you afire whith anger and protect your ego energy. Cheap shots will get replied to Doggie.
Jhuthst tell all that Simon is pro AA-maybe they will all believe you.In Boston --closet queers got so many to believe that I was queer,that now I have only hatred for closet queers. Honest and open=no problem. Liars and fakes have my contempt.I respect and even love Prem rawat.He's for real.Can show you God!
"Wanna-be Buddhist???? And what is a real Buddhist dearie,if not someone whose 3rd eye is open and being looked through? Oh I forgot-its all about think-think-think - exactly is said in AA.-- think,think,think ---seen on the walls of so many AA clubhouses.Did you bring that idea with you from AA dearie??? When you pointed your 1 finger at me-I saw the three you were pointing at yourself.
Light eliminates darkness."better to light one candle than to curse the darkness."
Do you really want war?? orTeamwork to change AA? It can not be destroyed,but changed-yes.
The sadistic closet queen needs to have control and to be seen as a god and will attack anyone who threatens his need for false respect and control.When we sink or swim together ,he/she creates problems
Just turn it around little monkey and say that Simon is a queer and pro AA.Anger feels so good,right??
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I SPY