This Has Gone Far Enough

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Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Thu, 08/16/2012 - 07:51

Danny has effectively ruined this site... Someone get in touch with me when he is banned for good.

Goodbye.

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JR Harris

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 13:01

I thought I told you as PKATS that Danny should put that phone in the microwave. Didn't you do it?

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Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:02

I love the quote you have from the dalai lama x

Sue

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:25

A good friend of mine post that at the end of all her emails to me and I appreciate the reminder. However, I hope you paid attention to the rest of my comments regarding the tone of certain individuals replies in the past.

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:11

Please come back.....

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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 03:22

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:33

Sure have, I have taken a good hard look at myself. Thanks for your post Sue

Xxx

Sue

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:46

I appreciate your nice reply. Ive learned that Negative behavior can be contagious if you expose yourself to it long enough.

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:49

Its horrible to have hate in your heart in contaminates everything. But I do believe people can change.

Xxx

disclosure

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:53

it used to be stimulating and fun, now it's tough to get a topic going, a big waste of time. you may be right, it could be time to throw in the towel.
besides, i think AA is dead, at least for me.

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:36

Hi disclosure,

AA has been dead to me for a long time. I've tried very hard to keep the "program" and membership separate. There are real nice people there and some real bad people as well. There are also a ton of different kinds of meetings, some more sane and safe, etc. The thing for me is that they all evolve around the Big Book and step work which since to me are crap and negative, there really isn't such thing as a "good" meeting. Good people yes. However for me, when it come to 12 step work and soliciting, which undoubtedly comes to lying - there is no hope for me to be acceptable of those members. This of course along with some of the members that are just guru and fanatic cult members.

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Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:59

I am sure it can get back there,

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causeandeffect

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:02

Great! I'm glad to see all this happening. I think those who feel better qualified should just jump right in, and pick up the slack of those who've left in disgust. Remember, the sniping didn't start with us. You can just start with this, which is what we've been dealing with all along:

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/53418#comment-53418

"I suppose it is because of other forums where she herself talks about people, accuses them of wrongdoing when a simple IP check could prove innocence, and the information ends up on yet more blogs. It's unfortunate as well as rude.

I feel sorry for her and cannot wrap my head around her anger. OOH, she "didn't need stinkin' AA to stop. I used my brain..." She had stopped two weeks before, just as I had. So why on earth was she there? One entry has her saying that she met a guy on the beach and followed him in. Because she chose to be in AA at an early age and do service work, that meant she couldn't go to college? I know five women that came into AA at 18-19 and not only did they go to college, but they excelled and pursued additional degrees. And because she, one woman, spent her youth in AA and now regrets it, it is the wrong choice for any and every young person with a booze problem? Just yesterday she was on RFR, talking about how she gets enraged and then goes to an AA meeting to scream at them. THis isn't about going to give information about options. It's using people that had nothing to do with her choice to project her anger, and that is sad. And wrong. Even Clancy talks about such behavior in his speaks. Don't take things out of people that they have nothing to do with or that cannot speak back. I have read enough of her stuff to think that AA is just a scapegoat for a lot of anger... but no one made her go or stay. She wasn't mandated nor was it after care for rehab. It just doesn't make sense. She's said it herself in any number of ways. She went to a meeting and didn't feel welcomed so she let them have it. Does she think that most people in LA AA don't know that she has an agenda of anger and hate? They know why she's there, and so does she. Why would people rush out to make her feel welcome?"

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Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:08

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Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:06

While I stand by that post, C&E, you can either continue to be part of the problem (always calling someone a liar when she can prove what she is saying) or you can be part of the solution.

I pray nightly for that woman. And, yes, the sniping did start with you and everyone else that gave me the Marietta treatment when I first appeared. But these problems predate me, C&E.

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becket

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:50

"Remember, the sniping didn't start with us."

Oh, except for that little day trip btnben and istj04 and stephaniec and a few others took to e-aa for some frolicking and mind-fucking.

Your memory is really short, causeandeffect.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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causeandeffect

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 22:15

Sniping at me while your friend Billybudd is suffering and suicidal, marietta? Where are your priorities?

Ben and istj's little trip to your little kingdom was a very short trip because they were very quickly banned. From what I can remember about it, they were extremely polite compared to what you trolls do here daily. I don't recall the kind of ad homs and other shit you throw around here daily. There biggest offense was to present a few facts, something steppers despise. They were there for, what, a total of 2 or 3 hours before you banned them, and you've been here for, what, nearly a year? Certainly longer than I've been here. You sure hold one hell of a grudge. Why don't you go back to e-aa, marietta?

Now please show you have a little human decency and go console your friend.

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 08:29

C&E, it is very sad that BillyBudd is having a tough time, but that doesn't mean that you can drop a load on OPF and others are not to respond to it. Some of us have tried to make contact with personal phone numbers.

If you want more examples of the Antis behavior, just look back on OPF to Bomb A Meeting and see some of the tactics. Or look at GiGi's own post regarding the chat/situation room at RFR. Aren't you the one that has frequently been talking about the trolls creating the need for the development of another site, re; RFR, yet this is what you guys do over there? Plan what you can to do disrupt meetings and sites, or to try to harm a person with an opposing view? Yet it is just "mischief"?

Tell me, C&E, would you have been so interested in stalking a person, even to the point of you and PIE stalking former boyfriends and ex-wives (and revealing her name on this forum), if you knew that the information would ultimately be useful to her? If I had raced to the board, saying that the ex was back on the crazy train, just LOOK at what is happening, I can imagine how you would have reacted. But it turns out I didn't need to go looking for anything about her. You, Gunthar and PIE did it for me. I call all your efforts 'the coup that blew', and I have already gained an advantage. The warrant has been vacated. Of course, I have gotten tickets since then and no one acted on it, but it would have kept me from getting a TX DL.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:27

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:39

Horsehit, PIE. You, Gunthar and C&E DID do just as accused, and you brought your work product here. Aren't you the one that noted the ex-wife's eviction of my husband's successor, something we didn't know and wouldn't have even looked? Aren't you also the one that brought my RO against a friend who has never been mentioned here, simply because of the last name I have on this account? What vacation photo of mine did you choose for your avatar on that Sunday? I'll have to go back to the screenshot to remember. Let's see, Gunth used a photo on me from a Florida vacation, Avo one of the blueberry stand in Maine, Conan used my husband's eyes... I'll have to look into yours and C&E. You ARE a stalker and by your own admission, you dove in heartily when discovering my real name, something you've also used here (as does C&E, along with the ex's name). You did it, PIE.

Yet your reactions are someone else's fault. It isn't someone's fault. It was your choice. You got in crap and by your own admission, you rolled in it. What do you mean that you would absolutely hate to think that someone would cause actual harm offline, in real life? What do you think DeCon wanted when he wanted my home address, phone number, credit file, criminal file and anything else posted? What could anyone have done to merit such a reaction out of someone? Avo actually tried with all of her comments to my neighborhood and that weird Sexual Franklin remark that I never did figure out.

I do not believe that by discussing my alcoholism, where my drinking took me and how it is different now led anyone to my identity. There are any number of people that have lived in the same cities I have lived, who are in AA, who could have described anything else that would not have figured out who I was. Someone simply found out my name and was able to run with it. But even then, that is not the same as wilfully bringing it here to this forum, which you (and others) have done.

Provoked? We differ, PIE. If you cannot control your reactions and responses, then you shouldn't be posting. We make that choice. Aren't you an adult enough to drop the blame game? I can see differing and posting an opinion and even defending oneself, but I think anyone can see these additional efforts as just wrong and that they were perped by little people. I was surprised when confronted by the possibility that I could actually benefit, Gunthar thought it was "wonderful" that I couldn't get a DUI expunged. What kind of people think like this? Your kind, PIE. You, Guthar and C&E. I have reasons to believe that this will work out well, and I wonder if any of you had thought that way, if you would have comported yourselves differently.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:33

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 09:50

If you returned a PM to me, I don't recall getting it. The fact is you are guilty of everything you've done and have no excuses other than you chose to behave that way, and you went far beyond just "hitting back."

You are a child, PIE, and second only by Ben, who is now posting on sites under my name. Given that the IP addresses associated with this site have been on review due to the thratening emails directed at my family, it was a stupid thing to do. Perhaps you should give me an instance of where I used someone else's name on this site. I can only think of one and that was when she provided actual links on this site so we could go to hers and "let her have it!" when an AA was protesting about personal responsibilities. We have all the details of her life including that she used to read palms for a living due to her invitation, but also due to what she chose to post about herself in her sites. That differs from most of us and it doesn't justify what you've done, PIE. You did what you wanted to do. I didn't give anything in a traceable fashion. Only when you had my name were you able to use it.

If you hadn't known my name, zero could have been enough, but that isn't even true. I had privacy factors in place on Facebook for my photos. Still, why would you be interested in looking at photos of someone you hate, believe is a nobody? I wouldn't give someone like that 5 minutes of my day. What my photos show is a happy life that AA, sobriety and fellowship gave to me.

As for the Last Lady's recent makeover, did you read about that one? omg... When will she ever get it right?

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 09:55

Is denial and blaming others what AA teaches you? What could you have done to prevent this from happening? Surely you must have some blame in this entire debacle? You have attempted to convert long time members of this forum to the AA faith and you are a newcomer. What would you say to someone who came into your clubhouse and tried to convert everyone to Scientology?

What does AA tell you to do if you go to a meeting that is not a good fit? I hate to say it, but you should follow the instructions of the cult and do a good step 4 and look for your part in all this.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:36

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:47

They were not from you, PIE. I have already disclosed on the forum that I am not concerned about emails from thousands of miles and many time zones away from me. I DID turn them over to the appropriate people.

Pie, you did what you did and you can go through tons of posts if you want to. I already addressed that post when C&E posted it earlier in the week. A first name is one thing. Plenty of people use them, but my point was never so someone would behave as you did. My email addy was on there for three minutes and someone immediately told me to take it down. It was also months ago, and there was no action on it. If you responded to the email, I wouldn't know. I don't think I even saw it. I also was under the impression that our emails were sent through the OPF system, so I would not have expected to see it, anyway.

I never told people that I came to harrass people, and one person responded to one post under my name because I was logged in. That hardly justifies your behavior, which extended to my husband, an ex-boyfriend that was never brought to this forum under any circumstances, and my husband's ex-wife and her "whatever he is at the moment" guy.

So what if I also engage in some mindless blogging about fashion, personalities or that MO could improve her posture for photo ops? I don't bring that stuff here. You know about it because YOU go THERE, silly.

What were your motives, PIE? I recognize the whole thing was a hope that it would embarrass me, but since I had already disclosed it, how much sense does even that make? What these disclosures have done is put me in a position to remedy them to the best of my ability. Would you, Gunth and C&E behaved the same if you could have seen you wouldn't get the result you must have wanted? For all of the tactics that people complain and scream about rehabs, you did the same thing here for much of the same reason. You wanted to shame someone, to embarrass, to perhaps gain some control. What a shame.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:37

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:52

I am not suggesting that you didn't send it, just that I didn't receive it. It could have gone to spam. It would never occur to me to google someone's email address, in any case. I don't think like that, PIE. Maybe I am incurious, but I think it takes a "special personality" to not only check into the person you are curious about, but also her husband, ex-boyfriends, the ex-wfe of said husband and whoever she has in her life. Since I am redoing my f/b, should you get an invite from me, please disregard it and don't read any more into it than an import option that I did. I ended up with over 1300. It is going to take time to sort out. Perhaps you didn't hack, but please remember that the behavior sent me to an appropriate agency and I have evidence to support what I say. Still, it makes no sense that a person would take the time to read someone else's f/b and look at their vacation photos or posts from all over .... when the person is as despised as you claim I am. It's just a feeling of getting over on someone that was childish.

I don't care about HuffPo, but why link an article here and then object if people go there? Anti is the one that outed the name there, not that I even care. Her ass was on fire to post it. But don't chase the name around all over the net and bring those posts here and then complain about them. It's your time you are investing. I am not the one bringing up MO here and the offense you have over her makeovers or that I think they are somewhat funny or youtubes that people sent me on f/b. The only reason you know these things is that you choose to go look. It doesn't matter if it is a matter of a click. It is the choice you make to read them. I ASKED Massive if she asked Laura to write it beause Laura herself said she had never written for HuffPo and had been specifically asked to write the piece. It was interesting and rather telling that Massive had been the very first poster to comment. And Laura didn't object to telling me who asked her to write it. She said she would tell me if she had permission. It wasn't granted. Taking all things together, plus including Laura's works on her site, I did conclude that massive asked her. She also pratices in close proximity. But let me ask you... Do you think it is appropriate for Ben to be impersonating me and posting to forums under my name? Why would a rational person behave like that? I knew about it within 10 minutes. But wouldn't you question the mindset on someone that would do that? Please don't suggest that being a pro-AA justifies doing that do a person. There is a level of sickness involved among you and that is how I view you.

Never did I post anything thinking that the people on this board would go to the lengths they did. It is a chosen behavior, PIE. But in the end, it is just as my sponsor said. I told the truth about my drinking and where it led me. All that has really happened is that I was demonstrated to be honest and I am in a position to repair the public record due to OPF et al. I'm waiting to see how it works out. In the meantime, thank you for your part.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:38

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:08

We were invited to those sites and links, PIE by the Divine M herself. If you can't see how it differs, there is no hope for you.

I do agree that I worry about her and the crazy rage she has. I just don't get it. She blames everyone for hte AA black hole she fell into for 35 years without acknowledging that no one asked her to go or made her stay. But I did take offense when I read on RFR that she was claiming I had been to LeavingAA. I did go over there and I think anyone should have been able to tell that I didn't write that post. Given that we know that Ben does try to impersonate me on sites, it makes more sense.

I think being invited to other links differs a great deal from stalking a woman, her husband, an ex, the husband's ex and her boyfriend by a great deal. Oh, and then posting the work product.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:38

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:37

PIE, I don't blame people for leaving AA. I don't care if they stay or go. I realize that not everyone had the same experience, but I also CHOSE to be there so that I could stay abstinent and learn how others do it. Divine M and I are alike that way. We had stopped drinking before we went in. We had different reasons for going. Hers was a man and my was lifestyle change and how to achieve it. Apparently she found many reasons to stay for many years. But you can't blame the decision to not go to college on doing service work for AA, or because she regrets being there at such a young age that no other young person would benefit so it should be illegal to send them there.

I am feel fortunate in my life. I don't brag about possessions or give name brands. I did that with a car when Ironic tried to make a link to your lovely experience to the woman that would claim to suck dick for meth. Please don't overlook the genesis of your complaints in an attempt to slur me.

Lastly, you cannot control who goes to a site if you link it to the forum. That's just not even a reasonable assumption.

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JR Harris

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:40

Everything is not about you. You have a Moral Malady and it is showing heavily and you are not in a good recovery. Why don't you take a break for a while?

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:47

How inappropropriate out of someone that spent all day asking me questions. Does this makes sense to you?

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:54

No Clara, I spent the day trying to explain you have an EGO problem. Obviously you haven't gotten the hint and continue to snipe at everyone. Please,just go to a Pro-AA forum filled with newcomers if you want to show your EGO off. It really is a disgusting show of a very narcissistic personality.

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:26

I tend to view it more as optimism in the face of a storm, JR. I will always make lemonade out of the lemons I get in life, be it here on OPF or anywhere else.

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:34

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:37

I will always make lemonade out of the lemons I get in life, be it here on OPF or anywhere else.

What do you make when life gives you crabs?

;)

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:39

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 20:56

I hope someone clubs that kid and has one to spare for the dummy that filmed it.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:39

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:51

Well, did I have fun getting them?

Funny you said that. A friend of mine pulled a huge bunch of crabs this week. Record sizes, too. They'e been a bit on the small side in the bay...

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:40

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Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:19

I agree!

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:46

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:47

Nice to have you back, Gunthar. I knew your resolve wouldn't last.

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Gunthar2000

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:49

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:41

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:41

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:49

I suppose if you weren't always asking me questions, PIE... I wonder how many times I have said on this forum to not dedicate forums to me, blogs, polls and the like.... And then thanking me to all the traffic that you put down to trolls.

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:43

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Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:59

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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