Sex Offenders banned in Orange County California Parks unless they get a waiver - AA Sponsor memorial attendee denied

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Orange County California is getting tough on Sex Offenders and has banned Sex Offenders from the local parks. Realizing that there may be exceptions that should be considered, they have implemented a system where Sex Offenders can apply for a waiver to go into the parks and not risk a six month jail sentence. So far seventeen (17) applications have been received and only one exception has been granted. The reasons for exceptions have run from a Sex Offender wishing to attend a memorial service for their Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Sponsor to Commercial Fishermen who use the parks to tie up their boat. So far only one (1) of the seventeen (17) exception waivers has been granted by the sheriff’s special victims detail who oversee the applications which takes about ten (10) days and the Commercial Fisherman and the attendee of the AA Sponsor memorial have been denied.

Enforcement of the ban is sketchy and may only be by enforced by park attendees who notify the police or law enforcement and park personnel who recognize a Sex Offender in the park. This raises the question of how many Bill Wilson rituals and ceremonies are attended in the parks by Sex Offenders mandated to AA and NA who attend these worship events during meetings or annual picnics? Given the number of Sex offenders being mandated by the court system to AA or NA and the "anonymity" practiced by these secret groups where "what is said here, stays here" and the well known coverups practiced by these people who are often recruited from jails and prisons against turning in fellow worshipers (i.e. Sponsor Floyd Nadeau, Sponcee Bob Ryder and the Danita Brown murder in Lewiston, Maine in 2011). It is very possible that large klan gatherings of AA or NA may very well be harboring Sex Offenders and keeping quiet about it to protect the Fellowship.

http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2012/08/07/sex-offenders-in-county-park...

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/us/sex-offenders-face-growing-restric...

http://totalbuzz.ocregister.com/2011/04/05/sex-offenders-barred-from-cou...

alkieanon's picture

JR Harris whines: "Given the number of Sex offenders being mandated by the court system to AA or NA ...." Making the numbers up?

JR Harris's picture

CALIFORNIA MEGAN'S LAW in Orange County Parks is set up for a reason. Would Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA) follow the laws or hide behind "anonymity" in the Orange County Park system?

http://megans-law.net/California-Megans-Law.asp

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

I realize it is early and I may have read your article wrong, but I thought the exception was made so the guy COULD attend the memorial. I hate these sleep assist things. I wake up feeling almost hungover but Ambien gives me a headache.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

No, the martyrdom of the AA Sponsor by a sex offender was not allowed in the Orange County Park system. Now if only we can get them to ban the pagan rituals of Alcoholics Anonymous in their parks.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

You certainly won't get any argument from me. I am not for mandating people to AA, and even if you do have a sex offender in the program, he could go to meetings without access to children.

This is why I thought an exception had possibly been extended to him. "The reasons for exceptions have run from a Sex Offender wishing to attend a memorial service for their Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Sponsor to Commercial Fishermen who use the parks to tie up their boat."

I think this is wonderful. Perhaps Anti could use this to petition her lawmakers for a similar law so that her argument against the meeting in Holly Hill would be "safer." We had an instance of someone with a probation requirement to not be within 500 feet of children and our lunch meeting took place in a church with a school and playground. When the PO was notified, he no longer came to the meeting. While "welcome" at any AA meeting, there were many others to choose from.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

What if the Sex offender wasn't mandated to Alcoholics Anonymous? Would you feel the same way? Would you go against AA Interchurch directives and write letters to the sheriff’s special victims detail asking for a variance? What if the sex offender was a sponcee or sponsor of yours?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

If he isn't mandated to AA, then I have nothing to do with it other than my role as citizen. if I knew a child sex offender was in a park and it was a violation of probation, I would report it. I did report the guy that was at our meeting. He could go to any AA meeting in the county and be fulfilling his obligations, but it didn't have to be there.

If I were sponsoring the guy that wanted to go to his sponsor's funeral, it would be up to him to ask for the exemption, but I can see where someone might agree to accompany him and provide supervision. Someone from the PO's Office could do that, too.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

So you knowingly broke the "anonymity" rules of AA and turned him in? Clara, you know that is against the teachings and scripture of Alcoholics Anonymous don't you? In 2011, investigative reporter Meghan Grant was investigating the problems in Nutley, New Jersey with sex offenders attending meetings at the Holy Trinity Lutheran Church. Grant talked to "an Essex County senior parole officer, who stated there's a percentage of sex offenders at AA and NA meetings in Essex County. He also said convicted criminals are mandated to attend these meetings." To alleviate these problems they moved the meetings from Holy Trinity Lutheran Church to another location next to a high school. Would you turn these members in Clara?

http://www.northjersey.com/news/128671393_Neighbors_take_AA_concerns_to_...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/health/129350413_Neighbors_want_town_to_...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

I reported him to his PO, who met him in the parking lot at the next meeting and whisked him away. It isn't breaking anonymity to someone that is ordering you to go. But your post is a perfect example of the flip/flop people can expect for this forum. Despite agreeing with the action, someone is going to disagree just "because". I saw that when I demonstrated how parents handled the children in the clubhouse to assure safety and privacy, as well as to not disrupt the meeting. Even that met with disfavor despite working well for all parties.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

So AA members in El Paso will report sex offenders in meetings? You are starting to be deprogrammed Clara/cribbisque/DesertQueen and you are starting to realize that criminals recruited from jails and prisons are bringing bad influences into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

This was in MB. I am not deprogrammed because I am not brainwashed, JR. I have always thought mandating was wrong and against the tradition that AA exists for those that want it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Your going to need a bigger shovel because that hole your digging is getting bigger.

JR Harris's picture

You did say that you attended the 'Full Moon Madness' Meeting Celebrating its 15th year for the New Mexico AA District 5 & Beginners Group at the White Sands National Monument in Alamogordo, New Mexico on Saturday August 4th, 2012. You do realize that as part of the El Paso DUI/DWI court, prospects are mandated to AA and NA and that unless the probationers get a waiver from their Probation/Parole Officer (PO) these people who attended that meeting in Alamogordo, New Mexico were breaking the law?

I hope you "shared" in the meeting that it is wrong to sign probation/parole cards......

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Clara's picture

I don't know any mandated persons here, JR. I think that most probated people are to get permission to leave the state for any reason. Not my bother. I did notice a group of women that thanked their POs int heir shares, so I can't help but think that if they were there, perhaps the PO came, too.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris's picture

Then why did you start stalking and harassing Anti-denial soon after you joined the Orange Papers Forum? She wants accountability for Sex Offenders and other violent criminals mandated to county parks in Florida and you started immediately stalking her online just like you did the Morelli's on the Huffington Post and Philly Burbs. Her site has highlighted many instances in Florida and the US of Sex offenders and others doing horrible crimes up to and including murder. All that she wants is to get accountability from Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous and the US court systems for the same type of things that you claim you support. Why did you immediately start stalking her?

http://nadaytona.org/

ABOUT US (nadaytona.org)

This site exists to expose the dangers to children and teenagers attending Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meetings. We want to stop the practice across the nation of courts, probation officers, therapists,doctors, schools, families and clergymen sending minors to AA/NA meetings, where there are no background checks done.

We want to bring attention to the public safety issue of court mandated violent felons with co-existing mental disorders coming to our parks, playgrounds, and even churches near minors for AA/NA meetings. This is a clear danger to children. Level 3 sexual offenders are sent to Daytona NA/AA on a regular basis through the Florida Department of Corrections.The average citizen is clueless to this harsh reality. Even though both AA/NA World Services realize that this is common place across the country, they have an active compaign to invite minors to attend meetings! Basically there is no criminal, regardless of criminal backgound that is excluded from attending meeting sent by courts. People who have been convicted of murder, rape, armed robbery, grand theft, child abuse, domestics violence convictions, prostitutes and arson with multiple arrests! Some are sent by the courts that have been arrested over 50 times! Yet they tell the parents of teens that AA/NA is just a microcosm of society, even though many groups are over 50% mandated by our government. That is way above the % of criminals in society, or lets say your grocery store or even a bar!

Children and teens continue to be victims of sexual abuse and rape at the hands of AA and NA members. Many parents bring there minor children with them to meetings. Many minor teenagers are mandated by the courts or encouraged by family. There are no safeguards in place currently to protect minors in Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous. There are no background checks for any AA/NA members. Unless AA members are working within an institution like jails, mental hospitals or juvenile facilities-no background checks are required.

If someone wants to start a substance abuse treatment center with classes, they have to have zoning approval and jump through a bunch of hoops. If they want to have minors come to their classes there are even more hoops to jump through, including background checks. But call yourself a ’12 step self help group’ and any and all requirements fly out the window.Why is this loophole allowed? Why is Alateen required to have background checks and typical formalities to protect minors, yet no other 12 step program is required to? Or is it they are looking the other way because of Alcoholics Anonymous influence in this country?

Alternatives exist for those that do not agree with the 12 step religious component, or the notion that you are powerless over your addiction. Smart Recovery, Women for Sobriety, and SOS and other science based treatment options are available.

All Courts need to offer secular(non-religious) options to those mandated to treatment to stop the current practice of violating the constitutional rights of minors and adults before the court. Substance abuse users recover better when they are given a choice of treatment options and support groups.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

I haven't said one thing differently on the subject than when I first got here. Too bad that the meeting just wasn't objectionable and worthy of all the blogspace. The NA meetings, I understand, are different and those parties behave differently. Perhaps she can use the CA. legislation to work with her local people to have a similar law enacted. I am actually surprised that there aren't already.

But I don't think first motive was ever safety or constitutionality of sending people to AA. I think those are throwbacks when all she ever really wanted was to get rid of a meeting in a nieghborhood park. I'd lay money of if that meeting were to end, her job would be done.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Gunthar2000's picture

AA is for whoever they can con into joining their religious cult.
There are many reasons that someone might want to join AA... Because AA promises to help people to stop drinking... Because AA promises a life second to none... In the end AA is just a big fat bag of bullshit.
AA does not help people to stop drinking, or to live a life beyond their wildest dreams. Once the curtain is pulled back, and the wizard is revealed for who he really is, the game is up.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

JR Harris's picture

Since you will turn in the criminals in the rooms of AA Clara and are a valued member of Alcoholics Anonymous in El Paso, Texas, here is a listing of all of the databases of hidden criminals and sex offenders in the state of Texas to help you in your quest to do your civic duty.

Texas State, County and City wanted criminals databases:
http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Information/Texas_Wanted_Criminal_Databases...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Orange's picture

Hardly. Look at what happened in just one small town in Massachusetts in just a few monhts: All kinds of monsters were sentenced to A.A., including a bad cop who threatened to rape a 12-year-old girl:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-sentenced.html

And to think, the next time you go to an A.A. meeting, you might be sitting next to a creep like that.

alkieanon's picture

JR Harris whines: "... well known coverups ...." "It is very possible that ...."

live_free_or_die's picture

your opinion alkie.

nbut thanks!

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

Very true JR Harris... I met a few in AA.

JR Harris's picture

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA, with far less occurrences of these assaults than AA) are being reported continually in the papers now ever since the highly publicized 2011 murder of Danita Brown by AA member Bob Ryder and his AA Sponsor Floyd Nadeau who hesitated for two and a half weeks to go to the police after he was shown the body in the basement and allegedly told Ryder to buy baking soda to cover up the smell of the rotting flesh.

Should these pagan ritualistic Alcoholics Anonymous meetings against the Ten Commandments be allowed in US parks at all in any State?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

JR Harris's picture

For more about the problems of sex offenders in Orange County Alcoholics Anonymous see,"Ocean Hills Recovery in Orange County California utilizes county parks and beaches for recovery - Press Release Aug 07, 2012" - http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/2139

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.