Clara Takes Her Act To craigslist

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Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Thu, 08/02/2012 - 10:55

Naltrexone < DesertQueen > 08/02 10:35:05

It's been very interesting to read these posts as I know Gunthar from another forum, where he is even worse mannered towards AAs than he is here. I am rather surprised to see the addition of the SMART program because he's always promoted Naltrexone as his savior from alcohol. Despite my own success with AA, it doesn't work for a friend of mine, and I recommended he check into Naltrexone and consult with his doctor about it. Since I live in a border town and cross into Mexico for more favorably priced medications, I had posted on the blog that I would be willing to get Naltrexone for my friend, who is also uninsured, if my friend's doctor was on board with it. Naltrexone is not a stand alone therapy and is to be used in conjunction with counseling or a support group, hence, Gunthar's involvment with SMART.

Instead of getting kudos for doing as most AAs do (recognizing that there is more than one path to sobriety) and offering the information to someone that might benefit, Guthar turned about face and ridiculed my interest. I have discoverd principles before personalities to be a good thing long before I ever joined AA, but this man would rather take BACK his positive message than to ever agree with an AA on anything.

I am glad that he promoted this site on *****edited*****, where he led a call to arms so that the members there could come and "set these people straight." It's primarily an anti-AA site. I notice only one did, Rainbow, who now claims that she owes her sobriety to Naltrexone, too. How funny. She's never mentioned it before. But due to this site, I discovered that Gunthar has a very good military record, is an atheist and apparently a homophobic, and that he tweaks his information to suit his audience. Given his attacks on me in another forum and the lengths he goes to to abuse women, this was actually a site that bordered on theraputic for me. Thank you, Gunthar!

https://forums.craigslist.org/?ID=217243084

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:15

Interesting that you would say that, PIE. You linked two of HuffPo posts to my handle just yesterday. Why is it different for you but not me? People want to point fingers without remembering the remaining ones point back at them...

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Persephone In Exile

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:12

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:29

Perhaps people should link to other sites if they don't want others to go there. Once the original at RFR.com was deleted, I went there to find his posts to support my veracity when he was barking to me to post it or be quiet. Kind of hard to do with someone cleaning up his tracks. I have since learned to take a screen shot and then blow the whistle.

But perhaps the comparisons should stop since the behavior is no different. It seems that no one is above the fray, including you.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:29

Quite right. I dove into the fray head first.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:31

Then perhaps you should not judge?!

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:07

Eh, for the purposes of this forum I think I will carry on as is.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:39

Your choice. "The just person cannot be made to be unjust."

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:50

Sure thing, Trace.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:09

Yes, it is still listed that way. No problem with it.

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Ironic

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:32

Clara is a liar and a hypocrite.

Any other news for the day?

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:34

Prehaps you can expound, Ironic. Seems the liar and hyocrite is your buddy there.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:31

Ironic, the only other news for the day is that Clara is spending her wonderful sober life posting here (and elsewhere). Wait, I'm sorry. That wasn't news, either.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:35

Here, there, everywhere! And, of course, PIE, it could all STAY there if perhaps you, JR and Gunthar would let it. I don't mind devoting 120 minutes a day to blogging. Small amount of time for the vast information I get.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:38

All day every day.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:57

Actually, I don't. I may be logged in, but that isn't to say that I am sitting at the computer, breathlessly awaiting your next homophobic remark.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:00

You've dragged a family member into this, and that's just wrong.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:09

Wait a second. I never dragged anyone into this, Gunthar, and I never posted any remarks. You are not a victim. I seem to recall that it all started with you on an AA board, linking RFR.com in a bid for support, and then you brought it here.

Gee, Gunthar, who was that using my husband's eyes as his avatar? Which family photo was it that you chose to use?

Now you want to start discussing right and wrong?

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:15

You are a fucking liar!

I never used your husband's picture for anything.

If you still want to continue with these allegations, I'd suggest you produce some evidence to support your claims.

As to my son.... He's off limits to you bitch!

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:20

You are exactly right, Funthar. It was Conan and I knew when I posted it. But, still, which photo did you use for yourself? Are you trying to suggest that you didn't do it? I'd be careful.

I never brought up your son, hothead.

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Ironic

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:18

Gunthar isn't a homophobe.

You're a liar. There, I expounded. You are lying about Gunthar. Anyone can pretend to be him on CL.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:25

I am sure that is true, Ironic. After all, I wasn't on OPF for very long before people would distort perfectly earnest posts into something that no longer resembled reality. You've certainly done it. And so has he.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:40

You've purposely lied about my son, and you've purposely lied about me.

Isn't it time for you to go to another one of your disgusting religious cult meetings?

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:49

Gunthar, I am sure when you started this forum this morning, you were rubbing your hands in glee. It has clearly gone awry and that is the danger in what you did. But it was your choice to behave this way.

I didn't lie about your son. The post I referenced didn't even speak to gender or that it was even your child.

Now, I am suggesting that we stop.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:54

I've exposed you for the dirty lying bitch that you are.
That's what happened here today.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:08

I don't think so, Gunthar. I think what you did was make a mistake. It wasn't necessary for you to do this.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:42

This is delectable stuff, Clara. You know how to get em riled up, and you're doing it with their own deficiencies.

They have nothing to gripe about. Sorry you're in the hot seat today.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:44

Do you find this to be funny?

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:47

I find it to be karmic.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:44

I didn't even have to do it, Becket.

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causeandeffect

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:32

I happen to know Gunthar very, very well. He's very is proud of the fine young man his son turned out to be, and certainly is no homophobe.

clara has been lying incessantly since she first came here, even when it served no purpose to do so. I think that's what they call a pathological liar. She starts shit and when people hand it back to her she then breathlessly rushes all around the internet to tell all about it and shrieks about how unfair everybody is to the poor little victim, clara. Remember folks, we have ever so patiently taken her shit day in and day out for a long, long time before anybody even started to turn the tables on her.

She deserves way more grief than she's gotten and still she baits us. That's a foolish move on her part...

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:43

Not true, Cause. I did not stort this forum this morning, and I didn't post the link on RFR.com. I never posted about his child and I refuse to let this board make that some sort of urban legend.

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:43

". . . we have ever so patiently taken her shit day in and day out for a long, long time . . . "

I must've missed that part.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:23

I laughed at that, too. It was swung so hard at first because they thought I was Marietta. I don't think I have ever known this softer, gentler OPF C&E keeps talking about...

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patti

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:13

C& E yes a pathological liar. One & the same with her leader wilson. Cult members are one & the same.

patti

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becket

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 09:17

"All hail the ALT-CULT!!"

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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LisaMarie

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:03

You are boring us to death C&E, who freaking cares about your opinion, anyway. Talk about liars, where the heck do we start, with you. You had no affection for Gunthar on Stinkin Thinkin from what I am being told. Mark couldn't stand Gunthar and Ilse tolerated his crap. So please, stop with all the sentimental,"lets go down the old friendship path" because there isn't one.
Just had to write what I was being told by a good friend of yours C&E. "Mimick"!!!

Note:
I personally do not know this to be true. Though, I would not doubt it.

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causeandeffect

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 20:29

danny, danny, danny, your writing is just like a fingerprint. The truth is that Gunthar and I have been very good friends for over 2 and a half years now and were laughing our asses off over the phone when you got banned for the first time. So you can quit pretending like you have the inside scoop from ST, here or anywhere else. And you have no contact with any good friends of mine. Never have, never will.

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Conan

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:16

Your 2 hours are up. FUCK OFF.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:24

Hi, handsome! I knew you'd show up.

Sorry, extra time today. I am waiting for a clay quote...

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:22

My, that's a bit on the uncharitable side, Coben.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:24

It's because it was he using my husband's photo as his avatar that Sunday. Figured it would round him up.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:12

How on earth is the information you get here in the "vast" category?

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:20

I have gotten a lot of good stuff here, but I mean online in general. I may very well be logged in, but I am often running around somewhere else.

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:21

How's that, Ironic?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:11

Yes Ironic Clara is a liar & a hypocrite & what else is new or different? Clara is also evil, manipulative & annoying! What else is new or different?

patti

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becket

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 09:19

Thoroughly unoriginal, patti. I can imagine you at fifth-grade recess taking sides in a dispute, just parroting the claims of the girls you wanted to be accepted by. Some things never change.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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LisaMarie

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:50

Oh, dear. What we have here is a miscommunication, Clara. Gunthar, is claiming it wasn't him, it was his cousin coogles. She is mimicking me....sigh. I am being framed....I am.
Perse, is blaming Danny, for this whole debacle. Damn that man....grrrrrr.
Coogles and Danny have struck again.....lmao.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:56

I guess I just wonder what you thought you were doing with this forum, Gunthar. It wasn't a Gunth-a-like posting that site on RecoveringfromRecovery.com for supports. Did you think this would be some sort of backfire on me? I didn't know Craigslist had these things and i wouldn't have gone to RI without your link...

So... why are you over there? No one likes you. They tell you fuck off regularly. You denigrate their belief in AA just as you did mine, yet they nailed you for popping a pill for recovery and using SMART. How can you do that but think you've been justified in the treatment you give others here?

And it isn't limited to me. I've been to when this forum first started and I've seen how any AA was eventually treated.

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alkieanon

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:45

Who's Donald Todd?

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becket

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 09:21

The blond zillionaire with the bad hair, maybe?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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