AA members victims of gangs???

Would anyone like to comment on the possibility of street gangs using AA as hunting ground to take advantage of the unaware oldtimers in AA. Or the possibility of a AA gang member taking revenge on a AA oldtimer for anything he said.Like unknowingly dressing down or putting down a gang member.

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grampahaas's picture

psychological graphs would prove that the AA mentality and gang mentality would be very similar.and the x.y. intersect would be very similar also.

grampahaas's picture

I believe elderly women could easily become targets of AA gangsters.they are often more trusting than they should be.And younger women because of their nievity.

JR Harris's picture

In a very twisted attempt to help victims of Elder Abuse, Social Service workers often recommend that elderly people seek out and join groups such as Alcoholics Anonymous that are often filled with people recruited from jails and prisons (44% according to the 2012 CASA report, see "Columbia University think tank reports doctors aren't trained to treat addiction - 44% get sent to AA by the Criminal Justice System" http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1760)

"Dwelling Place" is an emergency shelter for abused, neglected, and exploited elderly persons. It is funded by the District of Columbia's Office on Aging and administered by So Others Might Eat (SOME), a non-profit organization. During the first two years of operation, the shelter served 58 clients and identified long-term, community-based housing for 49 of them.

The clients reported feeling better about themselves, their prospects for housing, and their future in general. They attributed these feelings of self-awareness to their involvement with the program. The author explores the esteem-building characteristics of the shelter. Suggested intervention strategies to build self-esteem include supportive counseling, Alcoholic Anonymous support groups, health promotion efforts, peer and intergenerational activities, and active case management.

"Foster Care for the Frail Elderly: Implications of the Johns Hopkins Experience." Patricia J. Volland. Adult Foster Care Journal; 1988; 2(1): 72-82.

Source: http://www1.cyfernet.org/prog/fam/elderabuse.html

And they forget about elderly victims like AA member Catharine Oliver who took in Pierre Parent that she met at an AA meeting. Parent ended up killing 87 year old Catharine Oliver after stealing $30,000 from her....

Parent guilty of manslaughter

By Luke Hendry, The Intelligencer
Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Catharine Oliver thought Pierre Parent was worth saving.

The Belleville residents met at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in the spring of 2009. They became friends and Oliver agreed to sponsor Parent, whom the court heard was also addicted to crack cocaine.

She gave him moral support, let him live with her briefly and gave him about $30,000.

Then he killed her, left her body on her livingroom floor — and stole from her again. And again. And again.

Their doomed relationship and Parent’s “downward spiral” of addiction were described in detail Tuesday in Belleville’s Ontario Superior Court of Justice.

Parent, who is tall, heavyset and clean-shaven with very short black hair, arrived wearing a blue and white checkered shirt with baggy green pants.

He pleaded not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder, but guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter. A theft charge was withdrawn; he had earlier been convicted of fraud for using Oliver’s credit card.

Parent later rose again to address Justice Richard Byers, calling Oliver “my surrogate mother.”

“I admit full responsibility for her tragic death,” a composed Parent said in a clear, even tone.

After his plea, Hastings County assistant Crown attorney Jodi Whyte outlined the case.

She said Oliver’s diary made it clear “she was infatuated with Parent and that he was aware of this and used this to his advantage.”

On July 16, one day before she died, Oliver bought Parent groceries only to find him going through her purse, Whyte said. They struggled before he escaped with $60.

“I will never give him money again — I swear it — THE END,” Oliver wrote in her diary that night, Whyte said. It was Oliver’s final entry.

The assistant Crown said Parent returned at 1:17 a.m. July 17. Neighbours heard a scream as there was another struggle and, on July 20, concerned friends found Oliver’s body in her home.

Dr. Christopher Milroy, a forensic pathologist, testified at the preliminary hearing that Oliver had three broken ribs and other injuries. Whyte said Milroy found those injuries could have been consistent with falling.

She also said Milroy ruled Oliver may have died either from having her head pushed into the carpet, obstructing her airway, from her chest being compressed, or a combination of the two. But the cause of death was listed as “unknown.”

The defence claimed she died of natural causes resulting from the scuffle.

Within half an hour, Whyte said, Parent bought $300 worth of crack. He later stole three rings and a fur coat to be sold for drug money, planted fake notes at her house and bought more items with Oliver’s credit card.

Defence lawyer Patrick Hurley said he took issue with “nearly every fact” presented by Whyte and there was no guarantee Parent would’ve been found guilty at trial.

“There is no murder weapon, no confession,” he said. “There are no wounds; there are scrapes and abrasions.

“There is a prospect of rehabilitation,” added Hurley.

Byers said both lawyers made valid points and that the plea was significant.

“There is no suggestion that at any point in the days that followed that he woke up and said, ‘My God, what have I done?’” he said of Parent.

Instead, he said, Parent used Oliver’s money and tried to cover his tracks.

Byers thanked both Hurley and Whyte, calling them “my best lawyers” and others would have pushed the case into a trial. He also praised Belleville Police Sgt. Peter Goulah, who investigated with Det. Const. Jill McAuley.

“If he never has to do another case, he can rest assured that was a good one,” the veteran judge said.

Turning to stare at Parent, Byers leaned forward intently.

“I am reminded that this woman saw something in you worth saving,” Byers said. “She might have been foolish, but she wasn’t stupid.”

“I still hold out hope that almost anyone can be rehabilitated,” said Byers, adding he didn’t think Parent went to Oliver’s home intending to kill her.

Parent, still seated, bowed his head almost between his knees and later wiped his eyes with his handcuffed hands.

Whyte had asked for a sentence of 14 years in prison; Hurley lobbied for nine to 10.

Byers sentenced Parent to 11 years. He granted credit for pretrial custody at a rate of 1.5 times the time served, meaning Parent will serve nine years and two months. He’ll be banned from possessing weapons for life and his DNA recorded in the national criminal databank.

Hurley and Whyte said the sentence was fair.

Oliver’s friend, who would give her name only as Dianne D., also called it fair but “not good.”

“I believe in forgiveness,” she said. She said Oliver, who is survived by a sister, two stepchildren and a nephew, was “an extremely intelligent woman — kind, thoughtful, scrappy.”

Whyte said she’d spoken to Oliver’s friends last week.

“They are shocked and frightened that this could happen at the hands of a friend inside her own home,” Whyte said.

Byers expressed a similar concern.

“You hate to say, ‘Don’t ever get involved in a good cause because you might get hurt.’ But there’s a reason why the police say, ‘Don’t stop to pick up hitchhikers,’ because every so often the hitchhiker does something horrible,’” he said.

“Old people need to be careful about becoming a victim.”

luke.hendry@sunmedia.ca

Source: http://www.intelligencer.ca/2012/07/03/parent-guilty-of-manslaughter

Follow the story of Pierre Parent at:
"Alcoholics Anonymous Member Kills and Robs Elderly AA Sponsor" http://nadaytona.org/2012/07/05/alcoholics-anonymous-member-kills-and-ro...

and the mirror at:

"Alcoholics Anonymous Member Kills and Robs Elderly AA Sponsor" http://leavingaa.com/?p=1020

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

grampahaas's picture

Keep coming back.

alkieanon's picture