Avocagno The Child.

Re: abstinance or moderation

"Postby Avo » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:19 am
I've been able to put all thinking in regards to Suboxone being "using" out of my mind. It no longer bothers me that I regularly take an opiate "like" medication. I'm glad that I've been able to do this because it really helps my PAWS. I am functional and much more productive. Happier even :D
I know that in terms of moderating opiate use I likely wouldn’t be successful. Besides it being against the law, which nowadays is a deterrent for me, I have never once used this drug with exercising an ability to control my intake. For this reason as well, I'll likely always need to refrain from recreational opiate use. I have decided that if I'm ever in need and able to take pain killers that I will do it without qualms. Another of the hundreds of pet peeves I have about the program is the so called expectation that addicts or even "alcoholics" need to suffer pain in order to maintain their clean time. The decision seems to be made for others and instilled by others into their brains at a time that they themselves are not suffering. Kind of unfair, don’t ya think?"

"Postby Avo » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:58 pm
I've thought a bit about how different I would do things and now that I'm on the Sub I wish that I had tried this route years ago. It had been offered but I was determined to be "clean" by program standards. It's difficult to know how it might have been better for me or not. Since I'm on a higher dose atm and slowly working my way down, I am questioning it again now, :lol: Since the paws were so awful for me all I do is have to remember the times when life didn't seem worth living and the questions get answered right away."

"Postby Avo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:04 am
My bit about the PAWS was for me a way to keep it in perspective. The Sub has caused some issues of concern and I was prepared to face them. But for now, comparing the two is night and day. Living like life it was a disaster when in fact I have much to live and be happy for (like you), wasn't living. I needed to make a change and go in a different direction. Now I feel good. Normal, and happy. Thanks!"

Trisha wrote:
Avocagno, has not even finished her recovery yet. She is still using Suboxone to treat her PAWS. Which in and of itself is a good thing, but this chick is still a puppy when it comes to being able to stay clean and sober on her own. Yet here she is harassing other members who don't agree with her naive views about AA.
Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!
I also believe that after you have been clean for a while, all this Missouri trailer trash shit you have been talking about that has to do with me and these other people, whether real or fancy, will end. You will finally grow the fuck up and realize your lies are not necessary.
Avo, most of us here are not in recovery, recovering or even in NA, AA, SMART, HAMS or any other form of recovery program. We have left it all in our past. I am talking decades ago.
Suboxone wasn't even available when I was banging dope. You either kicked it cold turkey or you went on methadone. I never considered methadone as a viable alternative, just my opinion.
Yes my way was painful (probably beyond anyones belief) but I saw many before me do it and they succeeded.
Last....
Avo, you lied about me. Now whether you want to call me Danny, Trisha, Claude or who ever, it still doesn't wash away the fact you lied about me calling your home and threatening your son.
This never happened because if it did, I would not be here, writing on this site. I would be in jail, awaiting trial for a prison sentence.
So why don't you quit with all this other bullshit and tell everyone here what a piece of shit you were to accuse me of such a horrible allegation.

NOTE.......
(Here are your contradicting statements, actually you are the liar. Talk about feeling guilty Avo, how about being a mother and using your son in a plot to frame someone else on a AA web site)

Avo wrote:
Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:27
"Well Trisha, I've decided to take you up on your offer to get the police involved because I am taking it that seriously. Internet investigation has shown that you are using a proxy IP address on this site. Further investigation has revealed your actual personal IP address however. If you would please just confirm that your IP address is 68.97.248.86, I will forward this to the police and we will let them take this further. Because I am not a lowlife like you I will not post your full home address."

Avo wrote:
Tue, 07/03/2012 - 22:17
"Here is another one that you left in your trail of harassment around the web as Calinda, TraceLIn, Perplexity: 166.183.23.116 . I've never accused you, Trisha, of the phone call made to my house, I didn't say a word to you about it. It was you that came to the thread either because you ARE guilty or you FEEL guilty probably because of the mass of abuse that you have put others through over the years."

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SPK77's picture

Sounds like you need one, this site is not good for your serenity.

Clara's picture

This site is simply humorous, SPK. I led two meetings today. Thank you for your concern.

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SPK77's picture

Clara,
wow all the people hurt & damaged by AA are humorous to you. Ugly. AA is ugly.

patti

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Clara's picture

Very. Why wouldn't it be?

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Conan's picture

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

Still wrong. You guys are unbelievably obsessed. ROLMAO. That isn't even close to my name nor was it my tag number. Remember that I totalled my car and then bought the Benz. The insurance company would have turned in the tag. My obligations are complete and I have no record anywhere.

Gosh, if I were Massive or Anti, they'd be screaming "stalker!" All I can do is wonder why I am of such overwhelming interest.

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Conan's picture

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara's picture

If I could open it... I didn't have a Lexus in Tennessee.

But, still nope!

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Conan's picture

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

Conan, you are trying awfully hard! Why don't you ask Orange?

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Conan's picture

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

Good lord, we wouldn't have a fatboy, silly. I don't have oustanding warrants nor did I have tn tags. But if you think you are correct, you should call MD and tell them where I am! There might even be a finder's fee for you!

Sorry, Conan.

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Conan's picture

2010 Ultra Limited with a 103" engine and heated grips.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

Conan, don't you know your bikes?

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Conan's picture

Not only do I know MY bikes, I also know yours.

You used to have a Fatboy. You've not got the red 2010 Ultra.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

I never had a fatboy, dear. Dear, I posted a shot of us on the bike when we had ridden through Keeper country and I listened to her on Massive's show.

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Conan's picture

Ring a bell?

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

Can't place it.

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I've got rare vid of Conan revealing his greatest aspirations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc

Clara's picture

Billy, where you've been? I thought of you in Palomas. Boy, is that a pit, but I like NM.

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Palomas was a prominence last I been up there. But I don't get out much, so not easily unimpressed.

I'm concerned about what that man's other hand is doing; he has salacious demeanor.

Clara's picture

Well, there really isn't a point to it beyond getting Mexican pottery and meds at the cheap farmacias.

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Did you catch the 'exotic' donkey show?

Clara's picture

NO! They don't do things like that in Palomas... You are bad!

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SPK77's picture

ROFLMAO

Clara's picture

I know! The obsession continues!

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SPK77's picture

Couldn't live a lie in a cult anymore.

Clara's picture

Well, Spk, if it isn't for you, it isn't for you. Had I gone to AA first in EP, I probably would have felt the same way. But it was different at the beach. The people were ki and loving. They had recovered their lives and had lives I wanted... It was neat.

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Ironic's picture

You know you don't actually have to copy/paste her posts, right? We only do that with you bc you're constantly doing ex post facto edits that make the conversation hard to
follow.

Haven't noticed anyone else here doing that, so why not save room and stop?

Clara's picture

No, Ironic, I don't edit posts. That's a JR trick.

I think she understood, though.

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Ironic's picture

Wasn't talking to you Clara was talking to Trisha

Conan's picture

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Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Clara's picture

I am on it right now. What is with you?

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causeandeffect's picture

I'll tell you why. It's because she's a liar just like I have always been saying....

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Clara's picture

Yeah, sure. Who cares, anyway? I've been on it for the past hour.

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Clara's picture

LOL! No one owes you their facebook, PIE. If someone had done this to Massive, you hypocrits would be screaming. When I went to sites that she herself linked OPF readers to, you were up in arms over a compliment about her husband's nice voice on one of her songs. Yet another person that doesn't live her life online and inpersonal promoting websites gets singled out by some moron that thinks I am Danny or one of his supporters, and you think it is fine to behave that way. Most of it isn't true, is twisted up or is just something I have already posted about, so why get excited about it? Yet going on a previously planned vacation before I ever had heard of NADaytona was considered some sort of transgression? Yes, you people sure have some interesting ethics. And what bothers you... is that I keep on ticking!

ROFLMAO!

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JR Harris's picture

You know, the one where you flew to Jacksonville to be with family on Easter, but instead decided to travel by a rented Harley to Holly Hill on EASTER, instead of being with your family? Forget the fact that all of the Harley Rentals were closed that day, or the fact you claimed to be going there with a "gift" of $1,300, or the fact that your time schedule where you claimed to have done this all is impossible. But hey, you chant and pray to the Bill Wilson god. Don't leave before the miracle happens!

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Clara's picture

JR, you don't even know the first thing about how it works. Often, places will let you drop off a bike and put the keys in a special deposit box. Even if a website has limited Sunday hours, that doesn't mean a dealership won't be open on what could be high volume weekends. I don't really care if you believe we went because it doesn't matter. The meeting is not how Anti depicts it, and we would help it should it be necessary. Thank you for helping me to discover that they don't support Intergroup because they don't have to. Remember that Holly Hill is mere miles from Daytona. It is in an area that is connected to Daytona by a bridge. It was hardly any effort at all.

The next time we want to fly out there, we don't even have to fly commercial as people out here have planes because EP is so far from any and everything. Wrap your head around that one. It was a good visit. I am glad that we went.

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avogadno's picture

This is a special day for a special guy. Happy Birthday! 7/6/12

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Clara's picture

I'm game. Sorry, I was looking at wedding photos of a grat wedding I missed.

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avogadno's picture

Use your account on the rfr site..... Oh I thought your name was Huckleberry. Anyway, you did other spying about all of my medicating that you are obsessed with, so there is more to it than you are admitting.

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Clara's picture

I don't have one, Avo. The sole interest I had was when Anti was blathering on about me, and she said what her fear was - the support of the meeting she so despises. That was all I needed and even those were sent to me. While I can read, I never expected to be able to sign up.

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Clara's picture

No, that was something that was attributed to me here. I did read that pamphlet and I did look at the site. I have certainly admitted that.

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Gunthar2000's picture

Just kidding.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara's picture

I would encourage everyone to consider living in the American Southwest at some time in their life, Gunth. Amazing place to be! Despite what FLOD thinks, EP is a nice city. Of course, compared to KC... LOL. We enjoyed living there, too, though.

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