Celebrate your Freedom Today (from the AA/ 12 step hokey cultish religion)

Today, in the United States, is Independence Day, July 4, 2012. We Americans celebrate today as the day in the early history of this country that our forefathers declared their independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain.

Today, celebrate your freedom from Alcoholics Anonymous, the cultish program founded in 1935 that was established not to treat alcohol abuse but to indoctrinate individuals into a program to find and worship god. This is accomplished by promoting and selling a book.

A book, by the way, that made William Griffith Wilson (Bill W.) a multimillionaire during his lifetime.

Celebrate that:
You are not powerless.
You don’t need god to quit substance abuse

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“Radio Icon Dr. Laura Schlessinger has stated that powerlessness, a basic A.A.concept, is the opposite of what young people who are drinking need to hear and that alcoholism is no more a disease than bad manners are.”
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Drinking alcohol is an expression of choice and preference; it is something you can control with will power. Addiction is a psychological disorder. As such, addiction is NOT due to brain chemistry, or genetics. http://libertarianviewpoint.com/blog/?p=2310
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How pathetic it must be to have an incurable disease that requires a lifetime of shame and self-flagellation. How tragic that these addicts are powerless against demons whose goal is to force nasty chemicals down their throat or into their veins.

Yes, I have gone back to my original belief that using drugs and alcohol is a conscious choice. I believe that junkies and drunks desire their drug so strongly they forget their responsibility to family. I believe that as long as AA, the courts, and the 'treatment' industries give users the made-up excuse of 'disease' we will continue to have a substance abuse problem.

Yes, speak out against it. AA not only offers excuses to drunks and junkies to continue their destructive behavior, it offers them an opportunity to do so with the childish excuse that they can't help themselves; they don't have any choice; they are defective due to a disease. As an added bonus, they can attend meetings where they can sit around and reminisce with other users about how good it feels to be high. http://salmonriver.com/articles/drug.html
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The 1992, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism’s National Longitudinal Alcohol Epidemiologic Survey studied 42,000 Americans. 4500 had been dependent on alcohol at some time in their lives. Of these, only 27% had had treatment of any kind, and one-third of those who had been treated were still abusing alcohol. Of those who had never had any treatment, only one-quarter were still abusing alcohol. George Bush is a well-known example of someone who stopped drinking on his own without attending AA and without admitting that he was an alcoholic.

Surely we can do better than AA. If three-quarters of alcoholics can stop drinking on their own with no treatment, we should be looking for ways to help them succeed rather than imposing a treatment that has not been proven effective and that may actually make things worse.http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aa-is-faith-based-not-evid...
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There are many more ways the Argument from Intimidation is used in addiction, some are masterfully subtle and use only disapproving glances, gestures, and tones of voice, some involve long winded diatribes which implicitly say “if you don’t understand and agree with this then you must be both stupid and evil”. Beware of it – and don’t back down from it. If this is an issue you care about, then your goal should be to change minds. You won’t change minds by accepting the disease proponents’ terms – if you let them frame the debate as “disease believers want to help people, choice believers want to judge people, jail them, and let them suffer” then truth will never win, because the laymen will not be open to your argument. Call out the Argument from Intimidation as an anti-argument when you encounter it, demand that your opponent retract his questioning of your intentions, bravely present the options ignored by your opponent, pin them down to their premises, show the harm caused by the disease concept with real arguments, learn all of the disease arguments and be ready to break them down one by one.

Another way the Argument from Intimidation is used to uphold the unsupportable disease theory and treatment industry is this – “We need to accept that it’s a disease so we can stop judging addicts and sending them to jail, and start getting them the treatment they need”. This is horrifically fallacious – it’s a false dichotomy in that it presents only 2 options while ignoring the possibility of a 3rd or more ways to address the problem. It’s intimidation because it says “Only a despicable person would argue against the disease because they just want to send people to jail for doing something they disapprove of”. http://www.thecleanslate.org/the-disease-theory-argument-from-intimidation/
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Some Paths to Freedom
http://recoveringfromrecovery.com/archive/
http://www.ontrackandbeyond.com/
https://rational.org/index.php?id=1
http://www.peele.net/
http://leavingaa.com/
http://www.cfiwest.org/sos/index.htm
http://hamsnetwork.org/
http://womenforsobriety.org/beta2/

Comments

Pennywise's picture

Yes!

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

alkieanon's picture

Actually the NESARC study is quite interesting because you see all the numbers:

The claim "That leaves the other 75% as no longer Dependent." is bogus because it conveniently ignores the other categories: Partial Remission, Asymptomatic Risk Drinker, Low-Risk Drinker, and Abstainer, e.g. 100% - 25% Still Dependent = 75%.

Best case scenario would be "That leaves the other 35.9% as Abstainers or Low-Risk Drinkers."
Worst case scenario would be "That leaves the other 18.2% as Abstainers."

live_free_or_die's picture

...some books can, and do, kill people.

alkie, pay close attention ok?

The full article:
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It’s important to realize that this is representative of the general population. They are questioned about past substance use and diagnosed with the DSM-IV criteria for Substance Dependence. This study proves a few key points that directly contradict the common knowledge about addiction:

Point #1: Most People Cease to Be Substance Dependent

The fact is that at any given time, of people who could be classified as Dependent in a time prior to the past year, only 25% of them are still dependent. That leaves the other 75% as no longer Dependent. This one fact proved by this study offers a lot of hope for those with substance use problems. The odds are that you are three times more likely to end your addiction than you are to continue your addiction! We know this from the data above and in Figure 2 (shown to the right).

Point #2: You Have A Better Chance of Ending Your Addiction If You Are Never Exposed To Treatment Programs or 12-Step Programs.

The study breaks the total group down into those who have received treatment (including 12-step group involvement) and those who haven’t ever received treatment. If you look at the numbers I highlighted in blue on the table above you’ll see that 23.8% of those who were never treated are still dependent – yet 28.4% of those who have been treated are still dependent. This means your chance of resolving your substance use problem may be better if you simply avoid treatment!

The recovery culture claims that you cannot end your addiction without treatment or 12-step meetings, but the facts show that a higher percentage of people end their dependence without ever getting this kind of “help”. Moreover, in raw numbers, most people stop without treatment. If you look at the table you’ll see that the total number of people participating in the study is 4,422, of which 1,205 have been exposed to treatment, and 3,217 have never been treated. That means that in this study, 2,451 people ended their dependence without treatment, while only 862 ended their dependence with treatment. Another way to express this – 73.9% of those who end their Substance Dependence do so without treatment!

Point #3: Long-Term Success Is More Likely Without Treatment

If you look at the numbers I highlighted pink in the table above you’ll see that they represent success rates at various intervals since onset of dependence. What this means is when we look at the first number, for example, we learn that 64.9% of people who have received treatment, and whose addiction started sometime in the past 5 years, are still dependent. The interesting thing about this is that the number is exactly the same for untreated individual whose addiction began in the past 5 years! So in the early years, there is no difference in outcome whether you get treatment or not! The numbers stay close for people whose problem started 5-9 years ago (with the untreated group doing slightly better), but when we get to the group whose substance problem began in the range of 10-19 years ago we start to see a massive gap between the the treated and untreated subgroups – at this point we see that only 9.4% of the untreated group are still dependent, while at the much higher rate of 27.3%, those who attended treatment and 12-step meetings are nearly three times as like to have been dependent in the past year! What does this say about your long term chances of success in the conventional recovery culture? This group is no anomaly either, when we get to those whose problems started 20 or more years ago we see the untreated group doing great with only 4.3% still dependent, while the treated group is now doing more than 3 times worse with 13.6% still dependent.

The recovery culture has advocated longer and longer stays in treatment, to the point that they’re now telling people to mortgage their homes to pay for a full year of inpatient treatment, and then coming up with all sorts of “aftercare” plans for out patient treatment, sober living houses, long-term pharmaceutical treatments, and a lifetime of 12 step meetings. Meanwhile, the facts are the facts, and the numbers above prove that they should really be advising us to stay away from treatment for the rest of our lives, if we want long term success. But if you want a life of “recovery”, maybe you should stay in treatment.

Point #4: Moderate Use Is A Possible and Probable Outcome For Resolution of Substance Dependency

In the table above, the groups of numbers directly below those highlighted blue represent non-abstinent recovery from Substance Dependence. A large number of people fit into this gray area where they are drinking, but not to a threshold that qualifies them as addicted. The categories are defined in the study as follows:

Five categories of past-year status were used in this analysis:

1. Still dependent: had 3+ positive criteria for alcohol dependence in the past 12 months.

2. Partial remission: did not meet the criteria for alcohol dependence in the past 12 months, but reported 1+ symptoms of either alcohol abuse or dependence.

3. Asymptomatic risk drinker: past-year risk drinker (see definition above) with no symptoms of either abuse or dependence in the past 12 months.

4. Low-risk drinker: past-year drinker with no symptoms of either abuse or dependence and who was not classified as a past-year risk drinker.

5. Abstainer: did not consume any alcohol in past year.

People with PPY alcohol dependence were classified as being in full remission in the past year if they were in categories 3, 4 or 5. They were classified as being in recovery if they were in categories 4 (non-abstinent recovery, i.e. NR) or 5 (abstinent recovery, i.e. AR).

It should be mentioned that the Partial Remission category has a relatively low threshold, in that respondents may fit the category by reporting only one symptom of the DSM-IV Substance Abuse and Substance Dependence criteria – i.e. – if you drink, and you have an argument with a family member about drinking – then that would be a “symptom” of Substance Abuse, and you would be considered to be in partial remission. But who’s to say the fact that you got into an argument with a family member means that you are anywhere near “dependent” on a substance? Many in this category could be safely considered moderate users.

Also, you should know that “Asymptomatic Risk Drinkers” are those who didn’t have any symptoms of abuse or dependence, but drank at these levels: for men- drank more than 14 drinks per week on average or had 5 or more drinks in one day at least once in the past year. For women – drank more than 7 drinks per week on average or had 4 or more drinks on a single day in the past year. Notice that you don’t even have to drink every day or drink the 7 or 14 drinks per week, you can be considered an asymptomatic risk drinker in this study if you have one day of somewhat heavy drinking. So – pop open five beers over the course of a 4th of July picnic, or finish off a bottle of champagne on New Year’s Eve, and bingo, you’re an asymptomatic risk drinker.

I bring all this up not to criticize the study, but only to show that the lines in between “Still Dependent” and “Abstinent” aren’t so clear. What is clear, is that there are a large number of people who fall between these two poles, and thus a large number of “moderate” drinkers. This is important to realize, since the recovery culture doesn’t allow for moderation as a success story – they believe it’s abstinence or nothing, and in fact they actively teach people that once they’ve been Substance Dependent, a single drink will rapidly escalate them back into full blown substance dependence. The facts show that this clearly isn’t the case. Moderation is possible, and indeed a probable outcome for people experiencing DSM-IV Substance Dependence.

The numbers also suggest that the all or nothing message of the recovery culture is a powerful one – for better or for worse. The percentage of abstainers in the treated group is nearly 3 times that of the “never treated” group (35.1% vs 12.4% respectively), which some may look at in isolation, and declare that treatment is clearly successful. But, with 28.4% still dependent, the path of treatment produces nearly 20% more failures than the path of no treatment (23.8% still dependent). This is not shocking, when you consider that those who attend treatment are taught in no uncertain terms, repeatedly, that a single drink will lead to a complete loss of control over drinking. Likewise, the “never treated” individual has less exposure to the all or nothing recovery message that a single drink will lead to full alcoholic breakdown/relapse, and accordingly, more of them fit into the area between the 2 poles of dependency and abstinence. When we sum up the 3 middle categories (2, 3, & 4 on the list above), we see that 63.8% of the “never treated” group fit into the middle, while only 36.5% of the treated group fit into these middle categories. While the all-or-nothing message may push more people towards abstinence, it may also push more people towards full blown Substance Dependence. Furthermore we may interpret the subcategory data relating to time since onset of dependence as evidence that the all-or-nothing message delays progress, as I discussed in point #3 that in the long run, as we look at people who are further and further away from the time when their substance dependence started, the percentage of treated individuals who are still dependent (13.6%) is more than 3 times higher than the percentage of “still dependent” in the never-treated group (4.3%). They start out with identical success rates, but over time, the untreated group clearly does better – what happens in between for the treated group is debatable, but I believe the all-or-nothing message sends them on a roller coaster ride between periods of struggling to painfully hold onto abstinence one day at a time, followed by explosions of full blown “addiction”. Were they able to accept a something in between these two poles, they might just live and learn, and get to a happier life free of Substance Dependence sooner, as the never treated individuals seem to do at a better rate.

Some may take issue with my further interpretations of this data, and they may have legitimate points, which is why I posted the table for you to look at and judge on your own, and cited the source below. The basic point though, I believe holds strong: most people recover from substance dependence, with or without treatment.

Source: Recovery from DSM-IV alcohol dependence: United States, 2001–2002 Deborah A. Dawson, Bridget F. Grant, Frederick S. Stinson, Patricia S. Chou, Boji Huang & W. June Ruan Laboratory of Epidemiology and Biometry, Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD, USA

Link to PDF of full study as published by the NIAAA.

Limitations

This study doesn’t give us all the answers, but it’s one of the most solid pieces of information we’ve got in the world of addiction. There is plenty more information I’d like to know, but this is still enough to draw some very important conclusions from. With that said, there are limitations I should make you aware of in the interest of full disclosure. It doesn’t count people who are currently institutionalized i.e. prisoners. Nor does it account for deaths caused by substance use. With that said, the number of substance use caused deaths actually ranks very low as compared to other causes of death – one number I was able to find from the CDC said that there were about 38,000 deaths attributed to drugs/alcohol (not including tobacco) in the year 2006. In that same year, the NSDUH showed that there were approximately 22,613,000 people with DSM-IV Substance Abuse or Dependence. 38,000 is such a small part of that number as to be completely insignificant to the data we’re considering in this study – .0016% – and that death rate includes accidental pharmaceutical poisonings unrelated to substance abuse. Nevertheless, this is a limitation of the study. Also, the present study focuses only on alcohol use. I would rather find a similar study which focuses on use of all substances, but the NIAAA who carried out this study is dedicated to studying alcohol. The NIAAA has been open-minded, and conceded in recent years that treatment isn’t necessary or always effective; their sister agency which studies illicit drugs, the NIDA, is not so open minded. They are much more vocal about the necessity of treatment and aggressively promoting the brain disease theory of addiction – I doubt such a study comparing treated and untreated drug abusers will be forthcoming from them. With that said, alcohol and illicit drugs affect the brain in nearly identical ways, they are used for the same reasons, they effect people’s lives in the same basic ways (with the exception of the illegality of drugs and the extra consequences that imposes), quitting drugs or alcohol is achieved in the same way, and both addictions are “treated” in the same way professionally (except for the exceptions some make in separating drug addicts from alcoholics in an attempt to preserve the fragile egos of some alcoholics). So, it’s not everything I want in a study, but personally, I feel the data is applicable to drug use problems as well as alcohol (liquid drug) use problems.

http://www.thecleanslate.org/self-change/substance-dependence-recovery-r...
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So, do you want freedom, or a lifelong committment to AA?

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

alkieanon's picture

live_free_or_die posts the entire article without doing the math.

False - "That leaves the other 75% as no longer Dependent."
True - "That leaves 25% as Still Dependent."
"The other 75% are Partial Remission (27.3%), Asymptomatic Risk Drinker (11.8%), Low-Risk Drinker (17.7%), or Abstainer (18.2%)."

alkieanon's picture

live_free_or_die asks: "So, do you want freedom, or a lifelong committment to AA?"

So you're proposing marriage to AA? LOL! You're getting kind of freaky with the "Defense of Marriage Acts and Same-Sex Marriage Laws" angle. What if someone is already married? Are you Mormon or pushing polygamy? LOL!