Which stepper activity is the most morbid and self-delusional?

The practice of confession and praying for the removal of character defects.
20% (3 votes)
The sharing, listening to, and analyzing endless drunkalogs.
7% (1 vote)
The fanatical, thoughtless practice of shoving the 12 step religion down the neck of complete strangers at meetings.
20% (3 votes)
The seemingly 'noble' practice of defending the 12 step religion on anti-AA sites.
13% (2 votes)
Other- Please share what you think is the most morbid stepper activity in the comments section.
40% (6 votes)
Total votes: 15

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mor·bid

[ máwrbid ]

1.interested in gruesome subjects: showing a strong interest in unpleasant or gloomy subjects such as death, murder, or accidents.
2.grisly: inspiring disgust or horror.
3.relating to disease: relating to or resulting in illness.

alkieanon's picture

The word "morbid" has been used on OPF by AA haters: 21 times.

live_free_or_die's picture

21 times thing alkie?

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alkieanon's picture

Just like [fill in the blank spot] kills? Is that morbid enough for you? Can you substantiate that?

live_free_or_die's picture

how many times has suicide shown up on the OPF alkie?

Yeah, AA/12 steps kill people alkie. You know where I stand on that morbid issue.

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becket's picture

How many copies of death certificates have shown up on the OPF indicating "the 12 steps" as the actual cause of death?

Let's see, in how many languages can you say "zero", lfop?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

"How many copies of death certificates have shown up on the OPF indicating "the 12 steps" as the actual cause of death?"

You won’t see that yet, censorship of AA bashing is all over, you can't even criticise AA in MM and SMART for fucks sake, so how do you expect us to get all these AA suicides with cause of death 12 steps, stamped on the death certificate?

It will come one day , you won’t be able to hide it forever, there's too many suicides in AA. When they do start to stamp 12 steps as the cause of death on death certificates then that is the end of your death cult and hopefully prosecution and prison for all stepper promoters and a great day for mankind generally

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

I have nothing and no one to hide from. I am not in collusion with anyone.

No coroner is ever going to document any suicide as "death by AA". Get real.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

There's all kinds of deaths in wars, but it is the war that is responsible.......and the stepper cult IS responsible for the deaths in it

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

alkieanon's picture

NoAAUK's picture

I'm sure Ive used Morbid more than 21 times and I haven't been on this forum long.

Its a pretty morbid cult steppism when all is said and done......what with Clara talking anger and 'not letting go of things all the time and becket telling you to 'fuck off all the time'......its not really 'party time' is it?

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

With all the alleged rapes, scams, lies, and scaremongering, where did you ever get the idea this forum is supposed to be your personal party?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

I rest my case :-)

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

Does that mean you'll be leaving the forum soon? Today, maybe?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

alkieanon's picture

NoAAUK claims: "I'm sure Ive used Morbid more than 21 times and I haven't been on this forum long." I'm sure you have, but probably with another user name in the past.

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, ...." Matthew 24:10

SandyB's picture

The most morbid activity is telling people who stay sober without AA that they are fooling themselves. How do they justify minimizing what they consider a miracle? Why isn't it twice the miracle if someone does it without their divine help?

Why do they need to keep fucking with God's plan?

NoAAUK's picture

I think the most morbid and self delusional cult aspect of steppism, is recruiting for the stepper cult in the totally self serving and self absorbed delusional belief that recruiting others into this cult guarentees your own sobriety more than anything else. wilson knew this was going to be a money spinning con as soon as he wrote BB Chapter 7 Working with others.

It is probably this self serving delusional belief combined with the powerlessness doctrine that has done more to spread this cult than anything else.

Having said that it was listening to the "They told me" "I want what they've got" "Character Defect" speech that broke the camels back for me. It really is the exact SAME cult speak BS over and over and over again.

Somebody once said to me "I'm glad I'm an Alcoholic, where else could I get all this?"

All what, just sitting in meetings constantly parroting the same endless shit, or solemnly and all knowinly nodding in agreement when somebody else parrots the exact same shit, I really could not see what she could possibly find attractive in 'all this'

Who in their right mind could possibly 'want what they have?'

Pretending God works miracles for you and talks to you just because you are in a stepper cult also pisses me off

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

NoAAUK's picture

Come to think of it the practice of confession and praying for the removal of character defects is also pretty damn morbid.

I hate everything about AA, its ALL morbid and self delusionary can't we have some more votes?

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

"can't we have some more votes?"
Too funny. It wasn't 3 minutes after I posted this I was thinking there was plenty more morbid activity to choose from. The practice of 'powerless' is a good one, and so is the belittling of other methods like Danny B brought up.
What about worshipping of the written word of William Griffith Wison at countless Big Book, 12x12, and As Bill Sees It study meetings? There's a good way to get depressed.

NoAAUK's picture

I went to a 12 x 12 indoctrination session just before I finally walked out of the stepper cult for good. It was a Saturday night. They were talking about step 9 and some poor woman who I had seen before was very worried about having to make amends to some people.

At the time I'd had some problems with one of the next door neighbours. She had called the police on me when I was drunk and trying to get into my own house. I'd been drunk a lot but had never caused anyone any bother to anyone on the street, this one just liked confrontation, so I had no intention of making any amends to this person and said as much to try and reassure the worried woman that she did not have to go around making false amends to all and sundry to stop drinking, I told her to 'forget the past'. The chairperson tried unsuccessfully to rebuke me, but I was in AA before him so his guru status mattered Jack shit to me, I had heard all the cult speak jargon before he had.

Anyway it did dawn on me at the time "what a truly morbid way to spend a Saturday night debating any of AA's 12 steps with some insane self-obsessed stepper guru
What a MORBID SELF DELUSIONARY CULT……..we definitely need more votes :-)

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

Pennywise's picture

How about wearing a shirt that says "Work Steps or Die, Motherfucker!"?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

JR Harris's picture

The tracking, capture and retention of Prospects for the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous is a morbid 12 Step activity. The worst morbid activity is going on group missionary prospect "canned hunt" trips with "corrections committees" to jails and prisons to bring back to chant Bill Wilson in residential church basements. The housing of these "prospects" usually consists of "sober homes" owned by the elite of the local Intergroup and are uniquely situated to lower housing values and standards of living in that area.

See also -

How to set up Alcoholics Anonymous Prospect Hunting Trips to Jails and Prisons, direct from the Interchurch Center the CORRECTIONS KIT http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/node/1598

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

DeConstructor's picture

I voted other because I think the most morbid activity of the AA faith is the hijacking of funerals of its own victims or even people rumored to have once been a member. The family of the deceased really has little or no say in this hijacking of the funeral, and should the words 'he/she was a friend of Bill W' be printed in the obit, it is a calling card for them come ahijacking.

The circling of the coffin and the chanting of the AA dogma is offensive and dangerous. The practice is employed to take attention from the failure of the program and re-enforce its talking points.

Some must die so others might live. That is some seriously dangerous bullshit.

NoAAUK's picture

just before I left AA somebody had died and a load of the steppers had gone to the funeral.

One of them was slagging her off at the meeting, not sure if he went to the funeral. In my experience they do like to talk ill of their dead

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

rainbow's picture

That catch-phrase (said by steppers all over the country) has got to be the most pathetic disrespectful thing I ever heard at a funeral. Sick sick sick.

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becket's picture

How is that disrespectful if it was the genuine wish of the deceased to die sober?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

"How is that disrespectful if it was the genuine wish of the deceased to die sober?"

If you really cant work that one out then nobody is going to explain it like you are a two year old, for you

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

Again, you cannot answer a straightforward question.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

Lets try and get your pea like stepper brain back in the slot, so it doesn’t wobble about too much.
Now try to think about it and , let’s try and get that cult BS parroting brain of yours actually contemplating, not just regurgitating or telling people to 'fuck off' for once

Relatives will be naturally upset by someone’s death. The last thing they are likely to want at the funeral is some self-absorbed stepper bullshiter totally obsessed with things pertaining to sobriety, making such a totally inconsiderate and non comforting BS cult remark. This could well be considered as offensive in normal non stepper cult society

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

Your addressing me like this is not going to elicit the kind of response you want.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Because it's a stupid thing to say. "Well, at least he died sober" implies that sobriety is the ultimate achievement, the thing that matters most, the light at the end of the tunnel, the prize to be sought and cherished even if everything else has gone to shit.

"Ole Bernie sure had a run of bad luck, eh? First his wife leaves him to have an affair with his sister, the kids maxed out his credit cards and totalled his truck right before his cousin stole his prized stamp collection and pawned his wooden leg. Then, of course, there was that terrible incident with the neighbor's dog eating his pet pot bellied pig. But the topper was surely his mom using his own gun to shoot him in the balls before torching his trailer. Who could blame him for hanging himself? Oh, well. At least he died sober."

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

alkieanon's picture

Come on, you can do better. You can do it, Waterboy! Be more morbid: "Better him than me".

avogadno's picture

The options are all lunacy and of course there is so much more. I voted option 3, the fanatical preaching that people receive when they walk through the door. I found it very offensive to have total strangers lecturing me about "spirituality" and asking me personal questions, telling me what I "had" to do. As if they somehow had a right to interfere in my personal life. Oddly enough, this was accepted as normal behavior and supported by the group. Objecting damned you to being in denial, not working a "good" program and then shunned.

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NoAAUK's picture

After my intial two years in the stepper cult, I never really took any notice of stepper true believers preaching to me on the rare occasions I went back for the odd couple of weeks when problems were piling up. Although I didn't have their time in stepper cult way of life, I had been in AA before any of them, so they wern't quite sure how to handle me.

I remember I once had to say to one guru who was also a professional alcohol problems councellor "can we have a sensible converstion please" And I recall one totally spaced out old idiot came up to me with insane eyes talking about God, and I just moved away and sought out some newcomers.

I never wanted and still don't want to give up the life that goes with alcohol ie the pub life so if ever I went back to AA I sought out newcomers who were still going in pubs and going to parties drinking non alcoholic drinks to swap notes with, I knew the 12 steps didn't work and the old timers were just parroting what Rita had said in the same building 30 years earlier.

I also knew that time in AA is meaningless, you can learn everything there is to know about steppism in 3 months tops, then its all just constant never changing reptition. 20 30 whatever years in AA is just meaningless, only in that it is proof you are a cult zombie who sits around pathetically in meetings just repeating the same nonsense over and over again year in year out.

But the preying on the confused and frightened that did bother me. You could see those who didn't want AA but were scared of the situation they were in. One AA doubter, a School Headmaster was the last person I actually spoke to in AA as I just went mid meeting, he couldn't believe I was just walking out of 'the meeting' even though he himself voiced doubts about personal powerlessness amongst other things. I do wonder if he made it out in the end, I have never seen him since.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

dorak nob's picture

The practice of confession and praying for the removal of character defects.
this turned out to be morbid , a old timer who was a vet and not doing well physically or mentally . He committed suicide and I remember at meeting being told that his suicide was a result of not having done a fourth step. This is when I really started to question AA .

NoAAUK's picture

Its linked to lying that God has removed peoples character defects and works miracles and talks to people and fills them with serentiy. This can make people think they are worthless in Gods eyes when it is not happening to them, and very suicidal. For a time I really did think I was a totally worthless peice of shit and destined for everlasting damnation, I couldn't even use the suicide option my sponsor took as this meant instant hell. Looking back I was already in the first state of hell

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

Only 47 more to go in the contiguous states of hell! Keep movin, keep movin.

The view from your cloud must be spectacular, but could you tune up that goddamn harp?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

"Only 47 more to go in the contiguous states of hell! Keep movin, keep movin"

Ive left the stepper cult hell, we've already established that

"The view from your cloud must be spectacular, but could you tune up that goddamn harp?"

Theres no such thing as clouds and harps, thats just BS like santa claus and your stepper cult, but don't try to understand it all at once, just concentrate on realising that God did not expel your obsession to drink alcohol nor has he removed your shortcomings nor performed any miracles for you. Deal with the stepper BS first, then we'll move on to clouds and harps and things

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

becket's picture

"Ive left the stepper cult hell, we've already established that"

Perhaps, but you haven't left hell.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

NoAAUK's picture

Pictures of wilson and smith and slogans and such plastered all over the walls is pretty morbid as well.

smith is one sinister looking sod, his picture could possibly give some more sensitive people nightmares

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

or self delusional 6 pak bingeing alcoholics, that can't drive for shit.

Brett

NoAAUK's picture

Never seen any of them, a 6 pack is generaly considered (or not considered at all) as pretty normal over here, much the same as in Aussie Land

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

swilling fortified soup, 6 beer binges & parking lexus's on their roof is evidence of maddness & self delusion, very common in those parts apparently.

Brett

Yep, I've heard it both ways. They'll say the reason somebody commits suicide or relapses is because they didn't do their 5th step thoroughly. I heard them also say they were suicidal until they did a thorough 5th step, and were then cured and happy. My experience with working the steps for myself and with others tells me the latter are liars seeking to gain recognition inside the cult.
I had such an awesome weekend. Dinner with friends Friday night. 12 hour volleyball tournament on Saturday. Pool party at the house yesterday. People were friendly, all weekend the weather was beautiful.

Then I read our resident stepper proclaim "you haven't left hell", and I am once again reminded what all is wrong with the AA cult and why I will never step foot into a meeting again.

The scare mongering they do when they knew I couldnt accept their crap and was leaving. I was dumb enough to try to reason with them.

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