Permanent Abstinence from Alcohol or Other Hedonic Drugs IS EASY!

Submitted by teatotaler on Fri, 06/22/2012 - 20:39

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If you are interested in complete, permanent recovery from any substance addiction, go to www.rational.org

They have a free online crash course on Addictive Voice Recognition Technique! It's fun!

"Rational Recovery: The New Cure for Substance Addiction" - The author is Jack Trimpey. The book explains full and complete, permanent recovery from any substance abuse, and it ALSO is the best deprogramming tool I have found! The www.rationa.org website also has a free deprogramming quiz that you can take as many times as you need to!

:-) "Pain is the classroom for AVRT, but eventually, school is out." - Jack Trimpey

Go to the website and find out how easy it is to conquer any addiction.

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JR Harris

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 20:46

Where the 5% that stay claim "it works for me" and that is all that matters. Just remember, that is 5% folks, a pitiful return on your investment from people recruited from jails and prisons.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:05

So AVRT must be less than 5%. If it is (was) such a great program, then they'd be greater than 5% and well known. But alas it is not the case.

One would assume that there would be a wealth of material such as "Alcoholics Anonymous: Of Course It’s a Cult! by Jack Trimpey. The Journal of Rational Recovery, Volume 9, Issue 5, May-June, 1997" available on the internet. But this material is slowly disappearing.

Why, you ask? Because there ain't no such thing as a free lunch!

But for only $39.95, you can have the complete archive:
http://rational.org/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=47

Again, if AVRT is (was) such a great program, then Mr. Trimpey could (would) (should) tout the superior aspects of his program. And not bother to discuss the so-called inferior programs. Again, it is not the case and so we have the attack piece, ""Alcoholics Anonymous: Of Course It’s a Cult!". Why talk good about your own program, when you can talk bad about someone else's program. LOL!

teatotaler

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 20:49

www.rational.org

"There's a new sheriff in town."

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avogadno

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 21:00

I've heard good things about AVRT and I'm glad that it helped you! Trimpey happens to be the first I read about the negative components of AA.

Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:07

http://proudalcoholic.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:10

The Zero-Tolerance Ultimatum for the Addicted Spouse or Significant Other (ASS) in Your Family:
https://rational.org/index.php?id=66

flannigan

Sat, 06/23/2012 - 08:02

AVRT is not a program, it is a technique. And AA IS a religious cult that has no better success in helping alcoholics overcome their addiction than no treatment.

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alkieanon

Sat, 06/23/2012 - 21:43

"Rational Recovery® is the exclusive, worldwide source of information, counseling, guidance, and direct instruction on independent recovery through planned, permanent abstinence, i.e., Addictive Voice Recognition Technique® (AVRT®)." Sounds like a program "that has no better success in helping alcoholics overcome their addiction than no treatment."

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 06:28

I bought and read Rational Recovery and visited the website. The AVRT is a rational approach to substance abuse.

Rational Recovery does not require admitting powerlessness and unmanageability.

Rational Recovery does not require god to perform miracles for the substance abuser.

Rational Recovery has as its core mission to allow the substance abuser to quit substance abuse.

Rational Recovery does not require individuals to "keep coming back", for the rest of their lives.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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alkieanon

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 06:34

Any program requires you to do something. What that "something" is up to the individual. Again, it's a choice. A personal choice.

live_free_or_die says: "Rational Recovery does not require individuals to "keep coming back", for the rest of their lives." So RR is "one and done"? LOL!

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 09:55

The concept of Rational Recovery is one and done.

I know, hard for you AA'ers to fathom, since your program is strictly a "one day at a time", every day, for the rest of your sorry character defect ridden bag of bones life.

alkie, you just keep going back. work it, day in, day out. let go, let god. And work all that other billshit. And remember, TANSTAAFL.

Or, you may consider getting tips on staying sober from judge becker. By his own admition, the judge is staying sober w/o the 12 steps, or AA meetings. Interesting.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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alkieanon

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 20:54

live_free_or_die claims: "The concept of Rational Recovery is one and done." To bad it's not "put up and shut up". If Rational Recovery is the greatest thing since sliced bread, then every satisfied customer should be able to walk away forever. No more drinking, no more complaining about drinking, no more complaining about people drinking, no more complaining about people not drinking. The drinking "BEAST" may have been subdued, but the "BEAST" is still lurking about, revealing itself in other ways, and tormenting its own customers. LOL!

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 21:29

12 Step Program is billshit - This video really says it all folks.
see >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF72vvW-y3M

I will continue to advocate alternatives to AA.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Clara

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 06:56

Much of this sounds ike the "speak" used to appeal to defiant alcoholics that don't want to have to do anything. I hear that often about AA and the "suggestive' way things are written. You don't HAVE to do this. It is suggested only because part of the theory is for the alcoholic to come around in their thinking.
But I think the truth of it is that there are "musts" in every program or what else is it?

AA doesn't even tell you that you have to go to meetings for the rest of your life, but some choose to. As for powerlerssness and unmanagability, if your life is managable with alcohol in it to the extent that you use and abuse it, fine. i don't think people show up at SMART, RR, or AA because life with booze has been a bed of roses.

Mumbospeak...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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NoAAUK

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 13:15

"AA doesn't even tell you that you have to go to meetings for the rest of your life, but some choose to."

Lying stepper, as ALL steppers are liars and many many others, control freaks and sexual predators. ALL who have visited this website are fully aware that AA tells you that you have to go to meetings (cult indoctrination sessions) for the rest of your life or its jails, institutions or death

Some people like cult BS, most don't, thats why they don't come back to your sad gatherings. The growing Anti AA movement has come into existence to help those who don't want cult BS but are scared of dying if they leave the cult, to help these people overcome those false fears and leave satans cult. We are the true doers of Gods will....where there is fear, lies and sexual predation, we try to bring hope, truth and escape from stepper predation.

If you steppers really have anyone else’s interests at heart other than your own cult loving self-servitude, you would not come on this forum and leave us alone to rescue the bemused and vulnerable from your lying, scaremongering cult indoctrination.

Why don't you just return to your sick deviant cult and let decent people get on with the task of rescuing the deceived and frightened

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Orange

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:58

RE:

Much of this sounds ike the "speak" used to appeal to defiant alcoholics that don't want to have to do anything.

You are pushing an A.A. stereotype of "the alcoholic". You know, that angry resentful lazy sinner who doesn't want to do the "hard work of getting honest".

Bull.

The truth is, quitting drinking is really "doing something." Maybe it's even doing a lot.

The one thing that it isn't is practicing Bill Wilson's cult religion.

By the way, here is much more about the standard A.A. stereotype of "the alcoholic":
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-us_stupid_drunks.html

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Persephone In Exile

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 15:06

I think I hate these stereotypes used by xA more than anything else about it all! Especially when they combine it with having been born that way (disease theory) and it also being an incurable "disease"! There are few worse things you can do, IMHO, to people seeking treatment (or even not seeking treatment). Not to mention the slogan spouters who run around doing more damage by spreading the idiotic stereotypes.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

teatotaler

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:37

There are no "musts" in Rational Recovery. There is no "keep coming back." No one has to "DO" anything if they don't want to. I, myself, merely chose to get the book, AND I FREELY made the choice of MY OWN FREE WILL to NEVER DRINK AGAIN - FOR LIFE! That was all there was to it. Yup. I made the decision, and I have WALKED AWAY FREE. I am FREE to live to my own ideal. I am FREE to live life on MY own terms. I have the freedom that persons who believe they must do steps, go to meetings, do the AA tap-dance, etc. don't. The POWER is MINE. And I used my own free will - my own power - when I made that absolutely irrevocable decision: I NEVER DRINK. I WILL NEVER DRINK AGAIN. AND I WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND. Easy-peasy! "Pain is the classroom for AVRT, but eventually SCHOOL IS OUT." - Jack Trimpey My neocortex is a "one-room schoolhouse."

I commend those of you who promote saving lives and preserving the freedoms of others by promoting awareness of recovery alternatives to the cult of AA.

Peace :-)

"There's a new sheriff in town."

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Clara

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 13:36

Good for you, Tea. Does he have any better stats for this "cure" than he has for his others? What is your AV and BEAST saying to you today?

I love his double speak. Why just quit one day at a time when you can quit FOREVER! How about that it is the same thing?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 21:05

and Jack Trimpey was my personal counselor for awhile.

In my case, my drinking issue was over in 8 days, and more importantly, I knew it was over.

I do keep posting here, and everywhere else I can on the internet, because friends of mine keep dying because of the misinformation and disinformation the AA faith continues to promote.

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Orange

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 14:34

I like the idea behind AVRT. I stumbled upon the same thing, and called it "The Lizard Brain Addiction Monster". Here, you can have it for free:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-addmonst.html

istj04

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:03

RR/AVRT is clearly a better "method" for quitting an addiction then any 12 Step meeting could ever be, but that's about as far as it goes. Trimpey has NO objective research to "prove" his method works better then 12 Steppism, AND the videos of his presentations OF his "AVRT" method are about as compelling as watching paint dry! But I will endorse Rational Recovery AND the "Addiction Voice Recognition Technique (AVRT), before I ever would 12-Steppism. Period!