What do they want?

Hey massive, I give you credit for trying to get things changed. But there are so many groups, all I can see happening is groups hanging out together. Like rich people with rich people, or how they have special groups for police, and special groups for people in the medical field already, next I guess you would be interviewed like they did in the beginning to see where you belong, no cross discussions. I don't know maybe the whole steps should be changed, they were written in the 1930's and to basically say go to church, A.A. to stop using and drinking doesn't work so well anymore. I do appreciate what you are trying to do. Maybe this isn't the place to say this but my sister went to A.A. for years then got sick. I have 5 family members in AA. Anyway, the sister who has been hospitalized for over 2 years now, gets visits every week from her two A.A. friends non-stop even though her thinking isn't clear. I just appreciate that these people do this for her. One part of me so hates the way A.A. and N.A. are set up but I am eternally grateful for these women visiting her on their own volition. Maybe she was just lucky and made good friends in her A.A. I realize this is off-topic but I don't think I will be posting here anymore so power to all of you on your journey and massive I hope you do achieve the changes you are seeking to help A.A. progress in the future, if it lasts.
P.S. I didn't know this was a site for A.A. haters. I thought it was a site to discuss what can be done, or different experiences. Spending all your time hating anything isn't good for the "soul" either.

Who would pay for the training, the workshops and background checks? You don't think AA would actually pay for it themselves, do you? This would also narrow the field for the person looking for a sponsor; s/he may not like the three "trained specialists" who are available.

I think most people want a valid and effective treatment for alcoholism/addiction. A religious cult with strange and contradictory dogma is not the answer. AA does not help people overcome their addiction any better than no treatment, therefore it is useless and often can be harmful to those seeking help. Don't addicts deserve better?

At the end of the day, the best thing to do is to avoid the cult of Steppism in all its forms.

If I can get some of clara's crab soup, some of what Patti is smoking, & a couple of stubbys (I'll need more than 6 though) of what Massives drinking. Who needs reality when you can live in the dizzyland this crew inhabits.
What do they want? I've no idea & they don't either.
What do they need? A bloody job--- A real one.

sitting around being a diseased alcoholic, focusing on self, in a group that supports this thinking idiotcracy, bastards need a real job, in the real world, once they're half starved sweating away, shaking with it, they're working that hard, with their guts all knotted up wid the stress of it, won't be no "I'm an alcoholic"
I got a new slogan for ya IF YA CAN GO TO A MEETING,YA CAN GO TO WORK.
I tell ya if I was the boss of the show, I'd take their welfare handouts offa 'em, put 'em in a chain gang digging ditches, & flog 'em with a cat 'o' nine till their arms & legs got moving.
I bet when I knock 'em off for smoko (they get smoko, I'm not a slave driver fer fks sake) no one says lets have a meeting "I'm an alcoholic" be the furthest thing from their mind when I got thru wid 'em.
Thats how I got sober, head down & bum up, work hard, if in doubt work harder. Fk sitting around in meetings go get some oxygen in ya blood,fk sitting around being alcoholic, be a worker, go achieve somthing, go earn a living.

your starting to twist my words, somthing you learned in A.A? It would be more correct to say I think people who frequent A.A meetings are unemployed (& unemployable) & sit on their arses all day.

I've asked almost a dozen questions on this blog, none of which massive or JR Harris or any other self-appointed guardian of the masses has chosen to address.

You're all weak and spiritless storefront advocates.

Yes, Brett, it would be smarter to say what you actually mean instead of just tossing out lyrical licks without a thought as to what they actually mean or how they will be perceived. Show me specifically where I supposedly "twisted" your words, Brett, and I will open the door to a whole new way for you to look at yourself.