Jeffrey Dahmer was an AA Member

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Submitted by massive on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:09

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Last Night on Bio I saw this riveting , horrifying report on Jeff Dahmer. I knew that he was eating people and killing them... but in this 1 hour Biography the details were just disgusting.

When I was still attending AA as a true believer but trying to warn members about predators, and was being shut down as many of you know, I called an old friend from NA who was on the NA board. He told me about this serial killer and Tom said that Dahmer was in AA and was talking about having an eating problem. OMG!

SO, last night they actually mentioned that he attended Alcoholics Anonymous. He did have a serious alcohol problem. After the first time he was arressted, his DAD got him off, ( so he didn't go to prison) and then he went to a rehab. If at this point he went to jail 17 other men would still be alive. The gruesome details were unfathomable.

He tortured two victims by drilling holes in their heads and injecting poison while they were alive!!!! and then he raped them.

Sorry for the details but when I was handing out flyers and making announcements for the Make AA Safer Workshop I brought my hubby to The Marina Center in Culver CIty because I felt too scared to make the announcement. The energy in the room was really scary.

WELCOME TO ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS. A man like this may be sitting next to Aunt Sally at her first meeting or your gay nephew may be a next victim. He went after men. SO sad.

It was really scary. Im so glad they killed him in prison.

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:28

Then there are days when I wish to hell she would come back.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:06

I believe it's folly to ask btnben why Marietta was banned. You may read the posts for yourself, humanspirit, if you're interested in Marietta's actual content and context and intent. I did not find anything objectionable about her posts. I believe Orange pulled her off the forum because there was such a ruckus made over her posts, and not because they were outrageous in any way. The main complainer here is btnben, who insists that I am Marietta. I am not Marrieta. She has been off the forum for some time.

I don't wish to get banned or censored. But I will speak up if I find something is questionable or an outright fabrication. Isn't that how the forum wheel turns?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:36

You may read the posts for yourself, humanspirit, if you're interested in Marietta's actual content and context and intent. I did not find anything objectionable about her posts.

Missing the old days marietta? You do enjoy putting yourself out there for all to see. I'm sure H.S has formed her own opinion concerning your obnoxious and vile nature. If she hasn't, than of this assumption, I digress.

I believe Orange pulled her off the forum because there was such a ruckus made over her posts, and not because they were outrageous in any way.

Nice attempt at revisionist history old man.

The main complainer here is btnben, who insists that I am Marietta. I am not Marrieta. She has been off the forum for some time.

He is not the only member here who despises you. He is simply more vocal about it. There is no question what I think of you marietta becket.

I don't wish to get banned or censored.

Now that's a gem of a statement old Scrotch.

But I will speak up if I find something is questionable or an outright fabrication.

Now you are simply talking nonsense. Crack a Schlitz and have a smoke old fella.

Isn't that how the forum wheel turns?

Only on fantasy island old troll.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:32

humanspirit has formed an opinion of me, and I of her. Your point?
I can only guess why Marietta was pulled from the forum. And you can do no more yourself.
I love you too, dullson.
Old Scrotch? What does this mean? Yet another denigration?
Haven't drunk a Schlitz since 1967.
And so the forum wheel rolls . . .

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:26

No, it's not just Ben. Marietta was a toxic little troll if there ever was. She would avoid all relevant discussions once her positions were actually questioned by any members and would sit there all day (and night) sweeping the forum for any post by almost any member (Billybudd excluded) that she could reply in a judgmental and attacking ad hominem manner. She added nothing unless you want to count continuing the "everything is your fault" sort of abuse people who are here generally left xA to escape.

Then she wished a mentally disabled child on me. The stupid cunt.

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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dolson

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 18:20

Then she wished a mentally disabled child on me. The stupid cunt.

Wow...good post! I believe it wins the post of the day award.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:33

She might find that funny as well.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:45

Yippeee!! Thanks. I feel no need to mince words or not post videos of the evil Prof. Umbridge when the topic of Marietta Davis comes up. Such lovely memories she left me with! I suppose it's not against any sort of TOS to call her names or compare her to a fictional toadish maiden aunt with a penchant for punishing innocent children since she's no longer a member of the forum.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:48

You are the same person if not worse. You just skidded by because Orange wasn't looking at you. Trust me if you were to pull the same shit, NOW, you pulled back then, when marietta was banned, you would be kicked out yourself.
I personally haven't read anything that warranted marietta being banned. I just think Orange wasn't used to all the commotion which consisted of JR Harris, Ben, CauseandEffect, PIE ect....whining incessantly everyday, all all day. He made a decision so you folks would just shut up. I don't think he will ever make the same decision based upon the particular circumstances. again.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

gigi

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:55

Are you drunk? Or do you just need a drink really, really badly?

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:59

Good heavens. At least get the "your" and "you're" problems straightened out before addressing me. I haven't seen that sort of error here since the last time "Danny" posted. What a remarkable coincidence.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:07

okay- whatever-

Massive

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:15

Does this mean something, massive?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:09

Was Jeffrey Dahmer a sick and twisted freak before he "joined AA"? Or did AA make him that way?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:52

His issues started at age 6. I think that was long before AA.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:33

I think AA didnt help. He was told that he was broken and sick and needed and spiritual awakening to help with his alcoholism. You figure it out.

Massive

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DeConstructor

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:54

that it might not be a good idea to do a whole lot of 'sharing' of personal information in the roomz. This is a case in point of the dangers of AA and the non vetting of people counseling others.

Is the person sitting next to you trustworthy? Does his AA seniority give him credibility?

Personal security is something that should be taken seriously, and it should also be explained to persons such as young women sentenced to AA for DUIs etc, that these people should not be trusted.

gigi

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:09

Exactly. That's the point that is getting lost in the middle of all this. AA is not the safe haven that people often think it is.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:42

It's a dishonest title out of a group of people screaming for honesty. She finally admits that he went to one meeting. That doesn't make him a member. He also didn't troll the rooms for his victims, as she wondered... He met them in gay bars, hitchhiking down the street, and in his neighborhood if you believe Stone Philip's interview with Jeffery and his father.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

gigi

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 19:28

"It's a dishonest title out of a group of people..." Don't lump everyone together, please. It's not my title. It's one person's title. I think that trying to make it out that Dahmer was a card carrying, chip collecting, coffee making member of AA is ridiculous. I think that the way that you constantly minimize the actual dangers, dishonesty and enormous failings of AA is despicable. This example (Dahmer going to AA) is over the top but it sure as hell illustrates the point that none of us know for certain that the guy next to us in a meeting-listening to our very personal stories-isn't a depraved psychopath. You need to practice your "principles not personalities" mantra and make an attempt to figure out what the issue is. You have a hard on for Massive and refuse to ignore who is posting something and simply think about the implications of the post.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:47

The point I was making is that Kristine Cass and Saundra Cass(age 13) thought that Clayborne Connely was an average AA guy. When you see their sweet faces and find out that he was in trouble mentally and with violence against women, he never should have been sentenced to AA as part of his treatment plan. But he was...by a Judge and the Mental Health in Hawaii.

I was furious and so sad when I heard this news while I was visiting Hawaii in Oct of 2010. She met him in AA. I understand that he was not a serial killer, but I wanted AA headquarters and AA at every level to warn current members and the public at large that these violent criminals were being sentences as part of the plea deals they are getting. This did not happen in the 1970's ... I had been in Hawaii in August of 2010 talking to my old friends about what we were discovering. Not that I could have stopped this murder, but this warning will prevent future murders I am sure.

Im just saying... AA Headquarters must do this and the public needs to know that AA is NOT A GOLD STANDARD treatment that was represented in the film " THE DAYS OF WINE & ROSES" .

nuff said.

Massive

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:11

Nuff said is right, Massive. You tried to paint Jeffrey Dahmer as an AA member or representative of what you would find there. You finally admitted that his father took him to one meeting. It wasn't fair or correct, but posters will absolve that because of what you MEANT to say. Why not talk about these little girls if that is what you really intended to highlight? This was just wrong and misleading.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:07

It was ridiculous to equate one meeting with membership, but it was all right and is being justified because of the person that did it. "Ends justify the means" which is acceptable on this board depending on what side of the AA line you sit.

I don't minimize anything. Some of these things simply have no been my experience, and I can't help but think if they were true, why would anyone stay or feel conflicted about leaving? I hear a lot of untruths about AA on this board which simply makes me question further anything else a poster has to say.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Fri, 05/18/2012 - 04:19

Clara
Fri, 05/18/2012 - 02:38

"And, of course, you are a member of AA only if and when YOU say you are."

Stepper speak with forked tongue. They are opposites Clara. Do you say what you want when it suits you? Is this yet another example of "rigorous honesty"? Or is "Defending the Faith" an all encompassing override to the honesty thing?

God damn it, get me a whiskey

Bill W, Deathbed

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causeandeffect

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:48

Dahmer was an AA member and went of his own accord, even after he moved away from his father. You acknowledged seeing this before, yet you are still maintaining that he only went to one meeting. That's extremely dishonest. It's annoying that you keep forcing me to post the same thing over and over, but I've realized that repetition is key with the brainwashed.

"The move to West Allis appeared to have its
intended effect. Jeffrey appeared to (a) settle down, (b) restrict his drinking, (c) attend
Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) meetings and (d) mature (Dahmer, 1994)."

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patti

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 05:04

C&E,
repetition is the the key with the brainwashed. Excellent & true, over & over keep trying to enlighten & one of those times a light bulb finally comes on. It works, it really works.

patti

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massive

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:35

DeCon - Exactly! That is the point we have been making and what the work I began was all about once we learned it was going on.

Massive

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:16

Credibility is not trustworthiness. Two totally different things. It's nice when they co-exist, but they do not always do so.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Kate

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:19

Well said, gigi. I'm new here (although I did read before registering) and I'm trying to figure out just what Beckett/Clara's message really is. It seems to be nothing other than trying to "catch" someone offguard or pretending to be clever.

And the writing similarities ARE startling and I'm new here! Of course, that BA in communications does come in handy once in a blue moon.

The rest of you I get. I understand what you write and why you write it. I spent many years (I want those years back) tangled up in all the AA BS. Let me think. The LAST dealing I had with anyone in AA was back in 2009. I signed up for an online dating site. Little did I realize, that the guy I finally met in person just happened to be a crack smoking, AA member who was a wanted criminal to boot! Coincidence that he just happened to be all of this AND an AA member? Methinks not.

As far as Jeffrey Dahmer goes, just a good thing he's gone.

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:13

So what protections do dating sites take to keep you from meeting someone like that, Kate?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:30

What "protections" does this site use?

http://recoveryissexy.com/

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Kate

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:47

They should come with a disclaimer that someone is a crack smoking member of AA. That would help.

Oh, that was directed to Clara. And Clara, this is NOT the first crack smoking member of AA I've encountered.

mfc66uk

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:20

Kate, I have heard of a couple of women being sent profiles of some AA nutters that they recognised from the rooms when they went on a online dating service. They then hared bout it, so bang goes the annonymous aspect.I guess that is likely to happen if they tick the no drink button. one was even recommended the man she had just divorced as a perfect match.
I take it your date did not work out!

Kate

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:43

LOL, one thing about crack smokers, they are sneaky. This guy even smoked crack in the restroom in a restaurant on one of our dates. Then he proceeded to tell me how horrible of a person I was for something I won't get into, and mentioned the gun in the truck. Of course, I didn't realize his crack smoking ways until after the fact. In retrospect I should have realized it, but I don't smoke crack so it wasn't uppermost in my mind.

I will tell you thee most bizarre and freaky thing though, is to have a guy preach to you about God and Bill Wilson while porn is being played in the background on the big screen, even though I objected to the porn. I guess I even put up with God and Bill Wilson.

Suffice to say, I think he served jail time (won't get into it) and I'm very happy that he didn't turn out to be a stalker.

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becket

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:20

Hey, Kate: Clara and becket are two different people, k?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:10

JJ says;Have you ever known ANYBODY killed inside an AA meeting? In 36 years? Cmon you must have known somebody1

Massive says; YES IN LONG BEACH CA> A sponsor told the group about a guy being gay in his 5th step and he went into the meeting and killed the sponsor. He is in prison now.
JJ says; This one is legit, he shot his sponsor in the parking lot.

A mans throat was slit in a meeting in travers Mich. last year.
JJ says he was charged with assault - the guy wasnt murdered http://record-eagle.com/local/x103914105/Man-charged-in-attack-at-AA-mee...

A woman was stabbed to death out side a meeting in Glendale CA a few years back.
JJ says there is nothing about this anywhere, just googled it, something shouldve come up.

Ok so there is only evidence of 1 murder outside an AA mtg. Not bad statistics if you take into account how long AA has been around and how many mtgs there are. You threw out three murders that you knew of in 36 years but out of the 3 only 1 was really a murder. Care to explain?

mfc66uk

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:26

People rarely commit murders in front of a room full of witnesses as it might result in them being caught especially if everyone knows their name. However I think you may find rather a lot of criminals in the rooms and so you are taking a risk by sharing openly in front of them, particularly if you live in a wealthy area. Of course there are some members that love some seedy stories as they get a kick from hanging out with some "exciting people" compared to their boring little lives but the sad reality is that they are sitting with scum.

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Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:26

Murders do not happen in a meeting just like 13 stepping doesn't, but the sexual harassment and assault does all the time. They meet you there. You are told to trust them. To tell your story. To turn your will and life over to the group if you don't believe in God Let us love you till you love yourself. In the culture it happens. AA is a culture.

You sound like the jerks in the west side district meeting. FUCK OFF! Steve Cochrane is right. This is not AA you asshole...I don't need to explain shit to you!!!!

I was told by an AA board guy that a man was shot and killed in the early years when a women went to a meeting with a sober man, the hubbie got jealous. WHo gives a shit . Thats not the point and you know dame well that IS NOT THE POINT!!!

Massive

patti

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 05:12

Massive,
you don't need to explain shit to them! I don't get why devout members of a faith healing group, based on anecdotal theories & philosophies think they get to demand & expect documented links, proof, sources, etc., it's bratty. They live in said so world, believe in said so world, follow, worship & adore a complete & utter scumbag. They just don't have any explanations, documentation, proof or whatever else they stomp & temper tantrum over, coming!

patti

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massive

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:24

Patti- True....thanks :)

Massive

msafrany

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 05:46

John Hyde was an active AA member who sat next to me at Central office meetings in Albuquerque. Google this guy, he killed 5 people in one day, including 2 police officers. Phillip was a black man , active in AA, very nice guy, (I thought) was at my house several times in Albuquerque. He wound up on Americas Most Wanted for stabbing his girlfriend to death in the Casino parking lot. They wound up catching him in Philadelphia. I know of a charmer in Henderson who stabbed his sponsor to death for taking away his girlfriend. Fortunately she survived. Joe killed somebody while driving drunk. He did his time and is now free again.
All I know is that the steps have nothing to do with stopping drinking, and they do not make anyone more spiritual.
Killer or not.

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massive

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 01:25

MSAfranny- WOW that's intense. Thanks for the post.

I know there are so many killers and rapist's in AA and they are not even alcoholics. 414 Lincoln in Venice CA. is an insane place.

Massive

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jonnijoy

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 11:42

John Hyde was not a killer when you were sitting next to him, Ms Franny, he never killed anyone in AA or in an AA mtg. http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/393230metro09-25-05.htm You can blame New Mexico after all they didnt give him the proper meds.
Massive says; I know there are so many killers and rapist's in AA and they are not even alcoholics!
JJ says;Since you are so sure of this I think it is your duty to go to the Venice police dept and report to them that you know this for sure. If they ask you for evidence just be like Patti and say its pretty bratty of the dept to want any kind of proof, after all you know this for sure.

patti

Fri, 05/18/2012 - 14:09

JJ,
John Hyde is a murderer & an AA member. It's kinda funny how you support a said so group, with Billshit anecdotal theories, some Billshit anecdotal steps, that he copied from Buchman, multitudes of people being diagnosed as "sick", family members, etc. by some unemployed guy, who was immoral, a liar, a thief, an adulterer, you hook, line & sinker all this anecdotal Billshit, but you demand documentation & proof from the lay people on this forum. Actually, people will report AA members to the Police, so you will be getting what you want & have coming.

patti

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Fri, 05/18/2012 - 14:40

Patti I have been Anti AA when you were still a stepper (something I never was) even though I was in the program for 9 1/2 solid years and off and on in the program for 5. So dont give me your bullshit, I know what time it is! Ive been (out) for going on 3 years. I came to these forums (when you were still a stepper) to vent and discuss thing in and about AA. But I started seeing that people were lying to fit their agenda just as the steppers do. I try to keep it fair. Dont forget YOU WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOU CONDEMN AND HATE NOW. That was you. I know AA sucks, I know Bill was a scumbag and Bob was a freak. I know that AAWS is nothing more than a giant publishing co. So dont try to tell me newbie. And dont make AA out to be some dangerous place to go cause you all went there and you know better. Ive had someone on this very forum tell me that the old ladies knitting at the mtgs are the most dangerous people there. I wish AA would have been more exciting cause it used to bore the shit out of me.

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