12-Step Meetings May Help Teens Beat Alcohol, Drug Abuse

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Submitted by alkieanon on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:42

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12-Step Meetings May Help Teens Beat Alcohol, Drug Abuse. Programs such as Alcoholics Anonymous seem to work as well in teens as in adults, study finds. Teens undergoing treatment for alcohol or drug abuse can benefit from the 12-step program used by groups such as Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA), researchers say. While these programs are widely available, little research has looked at how effective they are for teens. The new study included 127 teen substance abuse-treatment outpatients (95 males, 32 females, aged 14 to 19) who were assessed when they began treatment and three, six and 12 months later. The findings are published online and in the July print issue of the journal Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research.
http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=663625

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DeConstructor

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:52

First of all it states that only a quarter (to a third) continued to attend AA faith meetings. This says alot when we know these people were strongarmed to be there.

These newcomer trolls have no idea what crap they are stating. In the old days of this movement guys like Izzy, Speedy0134, or MA would have eaten this guy for lunch.

The trolls are getting dumber and lazier everyday.

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alkieanon

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 20:18

DeConstructor says: "Did you even read this article?"
Ya Sure Ya Betcha. Thought it would be worth a read for everyone here.

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massive

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 00:30

I read this and followed many links. Very very disturbing.

read here Governor Brown signed AB 106 on June 28, 2011, thereby directing DHCS to collaborate with DADP and the Health and Human Services Agency (Agency) to create a transition plan that guides the transfer of the Drug Medi-Cal Treatment Program, and applicable functions related to federal Medicaid requirements, from DADP to DHCS, effective July 1, 2012.2 The legislation requires DHCS to submit the written transition plan to the fiscal and applicable policy committees of the Legislature no later than October 1, 2011, and to provide additional updates to the Legislature during budget subcommittee hearings after that date, as necessary.
AB 106 states that the transfer of functions from DADP to DHCS shall occur in an efficient and effective manner, with no unintended interruptions in service delivery. Ultimately, the transfer is intended to:
 Improve access to alcohol and drug treatment services, including a focus on recovery and rehabilitation services.
 More effectively integrate the financing of services, including the receipt of federal funds.
 Improve state accountability and outcomes.  Provide focused, high-level leadership for behavioral health services.
AB 106 mandates the departments to convene a series of stakeholder meetings, beginning no later than July 15, 2011, to receive input from clients, family members, providers, counties, and representatives of the Legislature, and requires the departments to use this consultation to inform the creation of the transition plan.

This is just California. You can look up on any state whats going on there. I can see what Gov Brown in up to.

They are funneling Gov funds to treatment which is 98 % religious AA 12 step Bullshit. There is a case here. Thing is....most citizens dont know the law.

Educate. Thanks for a great thread.

Massive

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becket

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:42

Maybe, but I picked a winner in the Derby.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:57

not attending any AA cult rituals in the last 22 years. (Unless of course you are lying, like most of the AA evangelists that come here.)

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:42

becket-marrrietta would be classifed a dry drunk under the hokey religious cult thinkspeak. becket-marrrietta has been dismissed from aa as a dry drunk that is in denial in a big way.

beckett-marrrietta is actually an angry old man that has been spurned by the "friends" he met in the aa cult and now has nobody to interact with 'cept us.

The old man claims to have a job but he is just continuing the grand tradition of bill w the conman of being a 12 stepper that is unemployable.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 03:24

Sick prospect hunters of the AA faith will go to any length to invade your families. This is a prime example of mind control and manipulation, the only thing worse than this is the AA Funeral Crashers that will be going to your children's funeral in search of "new" prospects and to brag that they could have helped them should their ineffective "program" of chanting and faith healing been allowed to miraculously "help" them. 12 Step evangelists are the lowest forms of life in the world at the present time.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:18

Deconstructer says;These newcomer trolls have no idea what crap they are stating. In the old days of this movement guys like Izzy, Speedy0134, or MA would have eaten this guy for lunch.
JJ says; Yes but they got over it (AA)and moved on something you cannot seem to do.

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:03

What this article fails to point out is that the parents who are involved in the recovery of their teens will (mistakenly) make their kids go. It may be that it's the parental involvement that is more a factor in their recovery than involvement in superstitious faith healing billshit. They sure want these kids to be brainwashed to believe that they are powerless early. What would be more interesting is to see what the long term effects will be when these kids leave the parental home and start drinking again. My bet would be that even the kids whose parents were relatively uninvolved will fare better than those whose parents forced them to go to faith healing meetings where they are told they are powerless over their disease.

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istj04

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:53

Why would ANYONE want to project "12-Steppsism" on to teens (who already have maturity, and accepting responsibility issues!)? It NEGATES their individuality (another issue teens are having difficulty getting their "stability in"), and has them blaming this "disease" on their OWN myopic, immature, and self-centered BEHAVIOR!

Any licensed professional recommending 12 Step groups to teens needs to be DE-licensed! NOW!

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avogadno

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 20:24

Yeah, nice study. Those that stuck around after a year "seemed" to do better than those that didn't stick around after a year. WTF?

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Orange

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 18:29

Whenever you hear "may help", think "sly suggestions". That is a commonly-used A.A. propaganda trick that Bill Wilson mastered and used in the Big Book a lot. First, just suggest that something might be true, and then assume that it is true.

More on that here:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html#suggestions

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alkieanon

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 20:29

Whenever you hear someone not discuss the topic, but claim something else, think avoidance. The article did not mention Bill Wilson or the Big Book. So why cloud the issue? Let's discuss the merits of their findings.

The article said "may help". It did not say "will help". It definitely did not say "not help" or did not say "never helps".

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Tue, 05/08/2012 - 21:13

"Veal is the meat of young cattle (calves), as opposed to meat from older cattle. Though veal can be produced from a calf of either sex and any breed, most veal comes from male calves (bull calves) of dairy cattle breeds. [1]"

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal

We are talking about the sick AA evangelists targeting youth for Spiritual destruction.Any of the sick members of the AA faith that attempt to make martyrs out of the young ones they kill through voodoo medicine should be put in prison for the rest of their lives.

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Clara

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:25

Still seems better than SMART's inability to provide any stats at all after 20 years.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:32

AA hasn't been able to come up with any stats for 77 years, except for the cult members that parrot "millions of people have been saved", yet they have less than 2 million members now and are late a few years with the latest triennial survey. They go by inflated numbers and since it's an anonymous survey I am sure that the brainwashed fanatics of AA believing they are "helping the fellowship" vote multiple times and inflate the number of people at the meeting. It's a cult based on lies........

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alkieanon

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 23:00

Take your pick. The number of members are sufficient to conduct a survey. Sorry if you don't like the results or the frequency. No need to count noses, just count the number of meetings morning, afternoon, and evening every day of the week.
"You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose"

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:24



Mmm. My Favorite!

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Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:23

Steppers are an insidious group of manipulators. Their nefarious prospect hunting knows no limits. They will assume any guise to push and ensnare the ignorant. Let's not overlook the slimy tactics employed by alanon and the alateen. Wilsonism has adapted to infiltrate families in all ways possible. The resident aa apologists of this forum have nothing better to offer than the usual tactics of attack , deflect, and derail. Their feverish minds believe that these tactics are seamless and unseen. If this is the best they can offer, do you want what they have?

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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Clara

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 20:29

I don't think you can deflect and derail on this site. All I have to do is respond to someone's question and I get accused of derailing a thread. I don't have to even BE here to derail a thread. All someone has to do is mention this AA and there are twenty posts, so blame something other than AA or apologists. People CHOOSE who they post to, even Ben when he misses Marietta so much that he just has to take a swipe. He admitted that the first week I was here.

Back to the kids, any clue as to how well they do otherwise?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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dolson

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 22:02

Yes they will grow up and not be assimilated, brainwashed, or harmed by the nazi inspired death worship cult called aa. You clarietta are a despicable apologist and evangelist for wilsonism.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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NoAAUK

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 05:07

So can God miracle teens to be able to drink normally?

Does God find it easier to remove teens shortcomings or is it just the same strength miracle as it is for adults, bearing in mind that teens probably didn't have some shortcomings as long as adults have?

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11