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Danny has effectively ruined this site... Someone get in touch with me when he is banned for good.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:01
This thread wasn't dedicated to you at all, this thread was about Danny, you moron.
Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 17:09
It would have been nice if had stayed about him,
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Persephone In Exile
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:45
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:54
He sure does hold a grudge. He is just happy just doing his thing. He is relentless.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 16:00
" remember the sniping didn't start with us"
Why you carrying on with then???
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:43
"Why you carrying on with then???"
EXPLAIN THE FUCKIN SENTENCE. Just goin with the flow . . .
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:02
I am on a commenting board where all opinions and pov are welcome per the founder of the site. If you disagree with me isn't a reason to put forth the name that my account was registered to, something you exposed very early on, JR. Remember the "Try to be More of a Man" routine you pulled where I then freely acknowledged that I don't blog under my real name? I mean, who would do that? We discovered just why you don't. You used private information that only Orange or part of his team would have access to, and I doubt that he said anything to anyone as he feels big about anonymity.
What you are trying to say is that if you agree with us, fine. If you don't, you deserve what you get and that isn't the premise of the forum. It's been wrong... and small.
I have never, not once tried to convert anyone, JR, or to invite them to give AA another go. I wish you could find one post of mine that could be interpreted that way. In fact, I have asked the reverse.. if you hate it so much, why do you go?
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:10
Clara, exactly when do you use this loophole Clara? Step 12 states ,"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs" and you choose not to follow the last and final Step of Alcoholics Anonymous?
Clara, you are acting extremely angry and in denial that you have broken the 12th Commandment of Bill Wilson. Perhaps you aren't really ready to be an evangelist for the AA faith and should stick to newcomers meetings. As Dr. Bob would say, that is where the pigeons are..... (i.e. "Facts About Pigeons; From war hero to the Olympics pigeons have a vast history" - http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/2081)
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:15
I am not extremely angry, JR. I have been blessed with the opportunity to clean up some wreckage of the past, which I am doing. As I have often said to you, if you object to what I post, you can always jump over them. But I have never used OPF as an opportunity to invite people to go to AA. Not once.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:24
You're in Denial Clara, you came in here like a 90 day wonder spouting the "Big Book", "Pass it On" and the "literature" trying to impose your will on others. What you didn't understand is that we know that Scripture much better than you do and it is BS circular logic. You were the one who tried to meet your prospects alone by PM'ing them and then you followed the scripture of Bill Wilson to a tee and tried to manipulate them.
"When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him." BB p.90, Working With Others
"Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once." BB p.96, Working With Others
Face it Clara, you are a hunter for the AA faith and you came into a forum that doesn't want what you have.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:29
I pmed one person, PIE, because I thought she was an AA. She was not and the totality of the email has been posted on this board. "Are you in AA"doesn't constitute much more than a simple question.
I was asked a great deal when I first got here as to why I felt the way I do, but I nver invited anyone to come back to the fellowship or suggested giving it another chance.
We've been through this, JR. Numerous, numerous times. You are no more correct now than you were then, so I will not be spending the day on it.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 11:38
Listen, you never really do answer the question of what is your purpose on this board. You have been attacked and Clara I have seen you attack others. I just get a feeling you kind of enjoy it I maybe wrong. Clara I don't want to get in a slanging match at all, it just seems that you probably best going to a pro AA website where you could help people who are in AA.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 11:55
My apologies, Vicky. You've come in on this late, but I said from the very beginning that I came there because there was an Orange piece that my sponsor had linked to me. Orange papers and the forum are two different animals.
I have no problem with discussion or debate, and I do participate on AA sites as well. When I forst ot here, I was somewhat taken aback by the experiences some posters would claim as mine was not just different... but REALLY different. I am not going to say that theirs aren't real or didn't happen just as they claim, but it seems so alien. I recognize that I didn't come from the same place, everyone has a different bottom and that AA is as much a culture as anything else. If I would have come to AA here in EP FIRST, I doubt I would have stayed. There is much here that I don't agree with...
There are some good thinkers on this forum. If they could keep the personalities out of it, it would help. I don't think it is necessary to take our differences as far as some have. It's been a shame. But it has also been demonstrated that even the formation of a new site doesn't keep this from happening. They just come over here to behave in a way that wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else. In fact, a poster verified the behavior in that chatroom and how it relates to OPF. That's pretty sad, especially when they consider Orange to be a friend.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:06
Claiming to be in a chatroom where something bad was said about Orange and this site? That is an EGO driven attack Clara. Were you being deceptive in getting into that chatroom Clara or are you just trying to cause trouble and bring AA into controversy again? Clara you are in deep denial and if you weren't welcome in a chatroom and knew it you are Spiritually corrupt. Claiming that you have been threatened by IP's coming from this forum is ridiculous Clara unless they were from PM's, in which case you would know who they came from.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:32
See, this is very usual for you, JR. You have "rewritten" my posts ever since you realized that I married a fellow AA. Where did I say I had ever been in that chatroom? I don't like chatroom formats and I have never been there.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:39
You are in deep denial about your part in this whole mess. You need to look at your part and quit blaming everyone else because you can't change them, only yourself. I would suggest that you quit enabling them with your posts and completely disassociate from this site to make them hit bottom, once they hit bottom and if god meant it to be, they will join you in the rituals to Bill Wilson soon.
If you can't do this for yourself, do it for your soul and for the sake of Spirituality.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:43
If they do, that would be their choice. We don't need the strategy of going into a meeting and screaming at everyone for something that had nothing to do with them.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:54
Clara, what is your part on this forum? You came in here all full of slogans and pushing the scripture of Bill Wilson. You can keep trying to deny your part in this entire mess, but that is the only thing you can change. What would happen if a Scientologist came to one of your meetings and started telling everyone that they should read Dianetics and that it worked for them and was very beneficial? Would they be thrown out of the room? Would they be allowed to continue talking?
Look at your part Clara, aren't you doing the same thing here? I believe that you have been talked into having the Spiritual Maladies of Denial and EGO and your spirituality is in grave danger.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:05
I don't know anything about Dianetics, but I would doubt that our room would permit them to keep talking because it would be off topic. However, if you were against AA, I imagine that someone would continue to let you talk just as they do people on this forum that go to rooms with the purpose of letting them have it. That is why I try to tell the poster that it doesn't nothing against the fellowship. They just roll their eyes and would pray for them. I doubt highly that they would take it personally, run out to get her tag number, follow her around her life and so on.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:13
Or better yet have you ever been accused of stalking someone online before? I realize that if you are in denial you will say you didn't stalk them or that they deserved it for some reason. You see Clara, being accused of stalking people online is like being accused of multiple DUI arrests. Someone may be able to hire a lawyer or just minimize them by themselves, but it shows a pattern of deception and a Spiritual Malady that is not in recovery.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:19
Oh yes. As PIE said, "stalker"' gets tossed around online pretty quickly and easily these days. What it basically means in blogland is that a person disagrees with you and is deflecting. The woman you often cite was one such gal. Ironic that it was she that followed me from site to site because I challenged a tactic she employed that was just downright sleazy. But accusations differ from reality. I don't research people online, JR. I also don't think that if a person is posting a link that they want you to access... that they can then bitch about who did...
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:55
That is god answer fair enough. We all learn from each other.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:45
Purpose? Are we being graded? Should I sleep with the instructor or just bag school for a couple of days?
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:07
Thats what it boils down to, I have seen it on both parts. It's ridiculous how you are all blaming each other. There is one thing I learned,accept responsibility then keep your side of the street clean. I have said before I think it's terrible that people have used personal details of somebody and then attacked them openly so others could see. To me that is the lowest of the low.
" He without sin cast the first stone"
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:50
victor, who do you think you're kidding with your mask of shiny purity? Just a few days ago you were the worst of the worst here. Here's but a snippet of your true self: "Utter rot. I wonder why you have a male sponsor? Who said I had a supportive sponsor??? Fuck me Clara you can't even get right...."
You are completely and amusingly transparent.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:03
I took a good hard look at myself and my behaviour was dreadful, I have post it before. I wanted to come back to make amends. To be honest I really do not care at al, what you think.
As Orange says have a good now
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:46
"To be honest I really do not care at al, what you think."
EXPLAIN THE FUCKIN SENTENCE!! And you don't care what I think? I'm fine with that.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:26
Trying to out my identity there. That was, albeit idiotic, the first blow. If you didn't like the response, you shouldn't have gotten nasty in the first place yourself. You guys wanted to play the "find out info on people and out them on Disqus" game, well, you shouldn't have done it with an email address that leads directly to your real identity, certainly not one you're using to PM me and others here with. That's what, a 30 second process on a search engine? For every single person here who knew it? How many people did you PM with that address? Apparently, quite a few. >>
I did not. I PMed you once at the very beginning due to my confusion as to where you were in this. I PMed C&E because she has insisted on promoting information that doesn't involve me, yet it would have put a name similar to mine on the forum and I didn't chose that. Instead, I chose to show her where the woman had been served in Longs, SC. I don't even understand your disqus point at all. You see, I don't stalk people and I don't need to have that skill. I never tried to put your identity out there, so your logic doesn't apply.
But even if you breathessly want to know something about a person you hate, that isn't the same a making the information public on this board. I received plenty of info as a result of my threatening emails due to this site, but I have never used it, PIE. That isn't why it was given to me. It isn't what you know, it is what you do with it. That, small one, IS a choice.
Clara, given the problem you have had on this board, don't you think that a different board would be a better fit? Or is EGO getting in your way?
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:31
You mean the problem YOU'VE had with me on this board, JR? I think this board demonstrates the character of the Antis quite well. My ability to make lemonade out of your lemons shows mine.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:38
Clara, your EGO is getting in the way again. Give it up. We both know that you have come in here as an outsider trying to convert everyone to the AA faith. Most of the posters on this board have been there and done that and we don't want any part of it.
Why do you continue to post on this board Clara? You have to be honest with yourself and others to be in true recovery, which you are not. Quit trying to blame other people for what you have brought upon yourself Clara. Look for your part in all of this. What could you have done differently?
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:43
Because I choose to, Jr. Don't expect a diffferent answer now than I gave you from the very first time you asked the question months ago. I have never invited anyone to give it another go. Try to find one, just one post, where I have done that.
You are simply incorrect, and I am going to let you fight by yourself.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 10:51
Clara, you are on what you describe as an "Anti-AA" blog. Why are you here except to feed your EGO? There is no other reason that you would continue on your quest here except that it is feeding your EGO. You have had all kinds of trouble here and gotten many people very heated. You came here with an Avatar of yourself and Clancy I and proudly proclaimed an opposite sex sponsor. Clara, Clancy I is not praised in many circles Internationally. AAcultwatch based out of the UK is even extremely bothered by Clancy and his Sponsorship groups that the Midtown cult of Mike Q grew that was famous for using opposite sex sponsors.
Why did you come in here like you did and what could you have done differently to prevent all of the problems you have caused in this site and your life? Look at your part and keep your side of the street clean Clara.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 11:16
Jr, I doubt I could have done anything differently as the most important factor was to be an anti. I posted the avatar because people didn't believe I had hosted Clancy at jamboree here in EP. Ii personally like him but he certainly is crusty. I don't think it is with "pride" that I said I had a male sponsor. It is just a fact.
I am in the process of redoing Facebook. It sends an invite to anyone you've emailed so pass it on by if any of you one of the lucky ones! Fifteen years of email addresses get imported so there is plenty of weeding through to do. Keep the fires burning, JR. I'm going to be busy!
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 11:30
Clara, why do you need to feed your EGO? It is bad for recovery and causes poor judgement. You even claim that "the most important factor was to be an anti." Why then are you here except to feed your EGO? You can find no other reasons that you are causing problems here?
How about the alleged AntiDenial episode? If you wanted to help the AA members of Florida and give them $1,300 to reserve a pavilion for a year, you could have done just that without taunting AntiDenial. You chose to bait her and regardless if you just happened to have reserved a Harley for Easter Sunday to go down to the very same town in a different state months in advance, you chose to taunt her with your "trip." First off bragging about giving $1,300 away to a different clubhouse when your own clubhouse needs the money much more is EGO. Second off taunting a person with your trip for over a month is EGO and there was no need for it. if you were going to do it, just do it and there was no reason to have been bragging about it.
Can't you see your part in this yet, or are you still in Denial?
Why is that a problem, JR? A person can help another group. I wouldn't have known about it if not for Anti discussing it on the site (as well as every other site) and I wanted to see it for myself. I needed details as to just what the heck was so wrong with because we never had the issues she described in our beach or park meetings. What could make it better? Oh, they don't pay money... It took forever for her to just admit that her goal was to abolish the meeting altogether. Why donate money that wouldn't go to useful purpose if abolishing it could have actually happened? I know very well that I would have wanted to save a meeting, a meeting that has met in that park for 20 years. Because someone doesn't like it doesn't seem to be reason enough or it would have happened decades ago. It must have some supoort or pull. There are beach and park meetings that exist successfully all over the country. Why not that one, other than Anti didn't like it?
And it turned out, do to your due diligence, that the 1300. wasn't even necessary because they aren't obligated to pay rent. I don't go to meetings at the clubhouse here, so, no, I don't support it. But if someone was trying to close it down for frivolous reasons, I surely would.
I also didn't disclose our plans until 2 weeks before the trip because we were not sure if I would be going due to my dog's terminal illness. It didn't take Clara to encourage Anti to speak against this meeting, JR. It's her favorite topicand she does it on every blog she's on, including the site she set up that is devoted to it.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:14
Clara you had no reason to taunt AntiDenial with that trip of yours even if it is very hard to believe that you would plan on visiting relatives in another State on Easter and then instead of spending Easter Sunday with them you went to an Alano clubhouse to give away $1,300 to a group you don't even know. Clara, that is your EGO talking and nothing else and you did it just to be disruptive. If you did it, there is no reason to brag about it and you are being Spiritually corrupt.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:34
Again, you are getting this wrong to suit your purpose. We were visiting Daytona and that had always been the plan. That is where the family is, you simpleton.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:46
Wow, what a coincidence! Forget the fact that you claimed they were in Jacksonville at first and were in Jacksonville on the Saturday before Easter Sunday, just wow...... It must have been a higher power to connect that particular city in that particular state hundreds of miles away months before you even knew of the NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS meeting that needed $1,300 to be kept from being kicked out of a park! Pretty impressive.
Well anyway, I have enabled you enough and I am sure that vicky realizes now why I posted your inventory on that other thread. All threads you attack are filled with the same things and there was no reason to rehash it with 100+ posts, I got it out of the way at the very beginning.
Have a nice day and try not to try and make every thread about you and your obvious denial and deception. But hey, your a true blue Bill Wilson style alcoholic anyway, you're supposed to do that. Just try and stay away from normal people, you're Spiritual Malady is very catchy.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:51
Again, you are choosing to be incorrect and misleading. The best available a/p was Jacksonville, something like 78 miles from Daytona, and the trip had been planned for a long time before I ever even came to the forum. It was not a NA meeting, but an AA meeting. Of course, the poor bloke that started the AA meeting first just thought he was passing on a good idea to the NA. He never expected it would be a daily drill or become what it has.
JR, I have been responding to your posts. If you don't want to know, don't ask me anything. Simple formula. I am sure that Vicky can see that for herself.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:25
Witness this: JR Harris and victor relentlessly goading Clara into defensive answers. Witness the future: nasty comments will surely be made about how many times Clara posts on the OPF.
JR Harris is a snide provocateur. victor is a turncoat snake who is all coiled up and waiting to spring.
Clara: they don't deserve answers or rebuttals. Let them sit in their own shit. Be selective about the posts that really call for response. You don't owe these bastards anything.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 14:12
I have in no way goaded Clara in anyway. Call me what you like. You are quite something. I am now choosing to ignore your comments.
Have a good now
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:47
Ignore this, asshole.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 20:43
if Clara would just attempt to take your advice to be 'selective about the posts that really call for a response,' rather than repeatedly drawing attention to herself by repeatedly posting. Maybe, just maybe she wouldn't end up hijacking entire threads and boring the crap out of most readers. And maybe, just maybe, the rest of us would post more freely - given the extra room.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:23
I would actually appreciate that, Free, but you can see for yourself that JR changes my responses to suit his purposes. I don't think it is fair to mislead others and expect someone to sit still for it. If the attempts to make it personal weren't there, I think much could be alleviated, but these aren't people that practice principles before personalities. It is hit the AAposition first, their personality second and the issue/topic third.
I agree that I didn't tell Anti at the beginning of the conversation that I was possibly going to Daytona. I wasn't sure if it would be both of us making the trip or just my husband as I was home nursing a terminaly ill dog. He died two weeks before we were going to leave, so I did plan to go. I didn't expect it to matter as Anti never discussed the meeting as having personal proximity to her until I posted that we had bought plane tickets and she then posted her forum that referred to Holy Hill as her hometown. She never cared that we were coming, just that we might secure a meeting she wanted gone.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 12:05
Clara, why have you been telling people I have been corresponding with you??? I have not once spoke to you or even emailed you in any way.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 18:16
I have never said that, Vicky. Where are you getting this?
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 21:52
It's not just Clara, it's everyone on the forum. She could not and would not be called on to respond to one bullshit post after another if JR Harris and victor and lfop and others would stick to the thread. Instead they lasso her in and round and round they go. Then she takes the heat for it as if nobody else participated - that's just crap. Clara is not the only one you could accuse of derailing threads. Lots of people on here have history of doing as much.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:18
Free, I'm not sure if you are aware of your surroundings or not. But try this, bring this entire comment you addressed to Clara to JR, btnben/Conan, Gunthar, Avogadno, Persephone and Causeandeffect first, ask them to abide by our conditions. Ok?
In other words check you own buddies before you throw stones at others.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 13:30
Billy, if you are serious please do as many have suggested. I pm'd my # call me, call 911, call someone else here, call a friend, family, just call someone. Please reach out, many of us have been there, I know I have. Just as C&E said, wait, it will pass.
Aside from all the name calling and what not, this is really what I believe most of the people are about here.