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Danny has effectively ruined this site... Someone get in touch with me when he is banned for good.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 08:24
Danny says we gotta go...
"You'll pay to know what you really think". - J.R. Bob Dobbs
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:12
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 08:44
OIn all fairness, I think Danny was given a great deal of power. No one needed to give the constant blogspace to him and all of the protestations to which poster of the day was going to get the Danny or Marietta treatment.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:36
IGNORE TROLLS, its pretty boring as a troll with no reward (recognition)
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 08:49
It's pretty lame here with the AA trolls anyway.
See you at a meeting!
By the way, Danny, this is for you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHTlKAa4wk
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:00
Be sure you "sign" your paper properly for your RFR meetings, 'bow.
I miss KehSciences over there. Why did he leave the site?
First-Things-First (not verified)
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 03:19
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:25
This is what happens when "so called free speech" is allowed on unmoderated blogs. ST was very successful because, for the most part, unethical behavior was not tolerated. Neither were personal attacks, verbal abuse or crude comments. Ive seen all of this on the Orange Forum coming from both sides. Ive been a victim of this behavior and it was very disturbing to me.
IMO, St was run professionally and pro-aa's were welcome and a part of the blog. No one was banned unless they exhibited inappropriate behavior or were clearly attempting to cloud the topic of the thread being discussed. I witnessed the banning of both pro-aa's and anti-aa's on that site. Ive seen derailing of threads here, childish behavior and offensive language come from both sides on Orange. Especially in the last month. Ive watched the subjects lost and clouded by personal arguments. It's boring!!
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 22:11
Sue says: "IMO, St was run professionally ...." At the start, but then it went downhill. Why? 1) They opened it up to comments and 2) They failed to remain impartial.
Persephone In Exile
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:33
I agree completely. Danny has apparently ruined a great many forums already, but I'm not sticking around for more of his antics here. Nor any of the rest of these attention seeking loons.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:40
While he certainly has a part in it, why is it that no one will agree that they curried to him and constantly took him on as a personality? No one makes us post. It doesn't matter if he came back under another guise. Simply send a screenshot to Orange and let him deal with it as he saw fit. Instead, it dissolves into a namecalling fight from people that feel a compelling need to be right about someone's identity. Poor handling.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:33
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:10
It isn't a "look at me" at all, PIE. If you've participated, you were part of the problem. You did - and gleefully, too, so why bitch? Not just at Danny but at me as well.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:15
Look Clara we all have to take a look at ourselves and be Kinder people. I am sure you are and it would be great if we all just showed compassion and be more sensible to others.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:45
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:44
I realize that, Viky, but I was addressing a person that not only stalked me, but also my husband and his exwife. Of course I would ask anyone that is pointing a finger at Danny to not overlook her part. I didn't expect a positive reaction from her.
We are in charge of our reactions, I have learned in AA. I am not sure if her response was one of blame, rationalization, justification or what.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:55
I did say to others how wrong I though it was that people who digging dirt on you and putting it on here. But we all have to take responsibility for our own wrong doings to others. We can all rise above all this and move on.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:03
I recognize that, Vicky, but the ones that did it have never owned up to anything but glee over it. In fact, DeCon wondered why my credit, full name, home address and phone number were off limits. There really hasn't been any justification for it, and that it has benefitted me was an unexpected result. They probably met back up in the chat/situation room at RFR to discuss it in chagrin. I've already gotten 20% inprovement in MD due to their disclosures. I appreciate your support.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 11:16
Will none of you-PIE, Gunthar, Ben and the rest of the players accept a teensy bit of responsibility for the cesspool the forum has become? Really? It is a shame that you can behave like intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate people at RFR but have to resort to bullying and foot stomping over here. It shows a huge lack of integrity.
"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 11:19
It does, Gigi. It is hard for me to reconcile the personas when I read the forums over there and see that we actually share stances - until those same people come over to OPF. The difference is on OPF, people are behaving simply as who they are without the censorship of Mike or their own social filters.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 11:59
Nonsense Gigi, I take full responsibility for what all I did do here, and it was a great learning experience in many ways. But two points: first, it was a response. Second, what I'm doing now is also a response. I'd elaborate, but I just don't care anymore.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:09
Thought your post was thought provoking for me. My attitude was disgraceful also and I have had to take a good hard look at myself. I totally disagreed with people dredging up people's past and posting it all over for others to see. I know it has been on both sides of the fence and that does not make it right. There is goodness and light in all of us, but some times darkness appears and we humans allow that to take over.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 12:32
Yup. It is very easy to get caught up in the drama around here. Especially when the drama jumps from the rfr chatroom to the op forum. When I felt that I was about to get wrapped up in the schoolyard antics, I pulled away and stopped posting here and stopped visiting the chatroom over there. It has been interesting to read these boards without participating. I've gained a new perspective.
Fri, 08/17/2012 - 20:32
I don't think that was Gunthar's point at all. It wasn't about accepting responsibility for the interactions of the cesspool of the OP and the discussions that became abrasive. This particular blog was started about Danny Bennison in particular. But as always, it became about Clara.
Without even taking into consideration Danny’s alleged abuses at Elan, he is a dangerous cyber stalker that has attempted to get personally involved with women under various female pseudonyms. Please keep in mind that he has been banned from the OP on at least 5 prior occasions because of his antics. He has threatened people with violence and has threatened to rape at least one female on the OPF. He has contacted people privately under various alias’, sometimes to befriend them under false pretenses and other times to flat out be cruel and threaten them. He has also tried to get into the RfR website multiple times on a daily basis for at least a month if not since it began. These attempts are obviously obsessive in nature and based upon his past behavior, his intentions are obvious. He wants to harass and disrupt. I am not sure if you are aware of this but some people have endured Danny's intent to deliberately harm them in some fashion or another for years. That is why Gunthar has said, "this has gone far enough".
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Sat, 08/18/2012 - 07:53
Interestingly enough, I was rereading a blog that started 3/27 and people were cautioning me about Danny and if he gets your personal stuff, he likes to make your life difficult for you... Ironic that it wasn't Danny that commited the behaviors that PIE, Gunthar, Ben, C&E, and to some extent, even you, Avo, were responsible for... That wasn't Danny panting to ask me what I thought of their changed avatars, which were done to gain some effect. I personally liked that Vogue article on MO. She seemed almost human, and I have no issues with my husband's ex-wife. I didn't even know what hers were without the inclusion of information from PIE and Gunthar. We have no reason to keep up with her, but they felt that they did.
IMO, the other regulars are the ones that give Danny the attention (as I posed earlier on this blog) and their own behavior indicates that they are as capable of doing the same things he is credited with doing - to a lesser extent, I hope.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:05
Very sad that your whole life revolves around stroking your EGO on this site....
"Here, principles would have to come before personalities, without exception. " 12&12 p.187, Tradition Twelve
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 08:43
I am not so convinced of that. I logged in after filling all of the hummingbird feeders, taking a hike in the desert, walking the dog and making a delicious breakfast for my husband. I cleaned the kitchen and made the bed. It's 9:30 my time and I am now sitting down with my green smoothie. What all have you accomplished this morning, JR?
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:07
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:13
I'll accept it as a compliment, but I would prefer Navy, you know.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 13:18
That still was not the point. In any case, not any of what you accuse others here was ever of malicious intent as Danny has a history of and is capable of. The "warnings" were sincere. Not one person that I know, wishes you harm. Shit got out of hand on both sides. It's done. It can either continue or it can stop. You are not an innocent and you don't fool me with your contstant insintance of victimization. I'm not an innocent either. I reacted like anyone would, though. You have repeatedly tried to hurt me by bringing up my past and continually commenting on it. This after I left you alone for the most part. You even ganged up on me with Danny in that infamous blog about my medication use. The best way to make up for it by anyone that wants to, is to stop the behavior.
You obsessively participated in a blog dedicated to ripping me apart personally, making judgements, and repeatedly tried to induce guilt because I have in the past bought drugs. You don't even know when, how, where, what, and from whom. I didn't and don't want to get specific because I don't think it matters and you would likely try and degrade me for anything I say. I was addicted, and like all other addicted people in the U.S. I am guilty of that offense. Any recent badgering against you that I've recently made was a result of this, a defensive reaction toward your actions. It concerned me that you are involved with Danny in any way because I think he's very dangerous and like PIE, wouldn't want you hurt in any way. For what it's worth, I haven't been an angel by any means concerning my participation in the abrasive interactions on this site. This mainly because it added to the big mess this site has become. I do think you deserve to be put in your place most of the time however. You are acting as if you are a pure saint and only a victim. That's completely false.
Someone mentioned in this thread about the difference between the attitudes on posts between here and RfR. It should be of no surprise as to why, really. Trolls are not allowed on RfR and members don’t have the need to get defensive, or argue about their opinion. Character assaults have been the norm of over aggressive AA apologists since the beginning. This I believe comes from their lack of being able to debate the issues at hand. The topic being that AA is a religious group that uses cultish practices to gain and keep control of membership. It has a shady history that can be dangerous, controlling, and cause some people emotional problems. The list is long.
The "antis behavior" is again a generalization. Not ALL anti AA's participate(d), nor was it ALL of the RfR members (or even near most of them). The members that did no such thing do not deserve to be classified as part of it. Also, chat and skype sessions don't all revolve around you or AA. You have posted more than once that "we" constantly talk of the OP and you in the general forum. Get real please. At least be fair since some people are now trying to somewhat reasonable in this thread. Most people can go over and view the public part of the forum and are welcome to check it out on their own.
Now I'm going to get a bit sentimental. I apologize for the lovebombing in advance. I've met some people in this forum and RfR and ST that are kind, caring, supportive, friendly and fun. I'm grateful for them. Some have gone far and out of the way to be helpful to others, and a few of them are members that are being accused of being atrocious animals here in the OPF. PIE, c&e, Gunthar, btnBen, mfc, HS, JR, just to name a few that you like to bring up as hateful or obsessive about talking to or about. Hey, I understand that it isn't the same experience for you, but when you exaggerate and lie, put down, continually harass and discuss others you should expect a rebuttal.
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:32
The drug purchases were made to remind you that our addictions, yours to whatever and mine to booze, certainly had repercussions. I believe it was brought up in the context that one of us was a criminal when actually BOTH of us engaged in criminal behavior. Thanks to OPF et al, perhaps I won't have that designation for much longer. Maybe I will.
I certainly believe that not all conversations, skypped or otherwise, are centered on me. But I have discovered enough of the forum interest in me because I find it on other forums. I find completely non-related things popping up right here on OPF. It was never necessary. Personal disagreements with me don't have to involve getting into my facebook account, pursuing my husband's ex-wife, her new whatever he is, my own exes... Photos of her as Conan's avatar and C&E trying to out her name... That's just above board, Avo. I am not the one that tried to make Vicky feel that she had been accused of something. I was referencing an RFR member's post about that everyone had a role in what OPF has become, and the drama comes (in part) from RFR's chatroom over to OPF. All of these things differ from just a disagreement over a topic or how you or I might feel about AA. I am certainly not a saint, but it started without anything other than a viewpoint. All JR needed was someone that had good experiences in AA. He consistently describes me as enthusiastic as a 90 day wonder when I first got here, as if there is something wrong with that. I have regular said that if I had been in AA HERE first, I might not have stayed. I also have said that I don't agree with some of it. I also married an AA, whcih raised his ire further. But if a person doesn't want me to respond, perhaps the first thing to do is to not ask me what I think about something or what my experience was. What is with the constant polls, forums, blogs and endless posts?
You may not think that anyone here would want to harm me, but you weren't on the receiving end of the emails. I didn't know that, Avo. You aren't the subject that that DeCon feels should have her name published, as well as her address, phone number, credit file, criminal record and the like. I guess I have to wonder how anyone would interpret that. I can't think of a legitimate reason to feel that way about a person. At the time, I said that I wouldn't care if it had been someone from the board; thre was just a person that had been in my life at one time that I sure hoped it wasn't... I disclosed to Orange what that situation had been and my personal concern, and where it was headed. I felt it was owed to him. But I don't owe it to you or anyone else.
Wouldn't you agree that some of this has simply been over the top?
Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:43
But what was your part in it Clara? Principles before Personalities, remember Clara. If you can't be honest on this forum, at least be honest with yourself. It will help you in your sobriety and your moral decline.
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 03:20
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:52
Please don't go, we will love you till you love yourself.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:56
Who is Danny and how has he ruined this site?
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 11:44
IMO, What side of the AA fence your on is not the issue here.The person referred to as Danny, is not the only problem. If your honest with yourself you know what creates problems and who is responsible. Some instigate arguments articulately and some crudely. Both approach's cause problems if your intention is to create an argument. Adults are human beings and a controversial blogs like this need to be moderated by a level headed person that doesn't have a tenancy to be explosive.
I'll refrain from mentioning names; but I have read some comments posted by a few individuals recently that are highly offensive. One being a new blogger to this forum. When I saw them, all I could say was; "Wow". Now JIF was a lunatic and everything that came out of his mouth was vile. However, I dont think he was capable of anything else.
Whenever possible be kind and compassionate. It is always possible. - the Dalai Lama.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 18:47
but this "Danny" creature is a ghost, a malevolent and invisible entity capable of wreaking unimaginable havoc on those only capable of imagining that havoc of capability. I don't know should I race around screaming or simply crawl beneath the bed. Help me, hold me, help me
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 19:18
Sometimes adults are only human: "Subject to or indicative of the weaknesses, imperfections, and fragility associated with humans: a mistake that shows he's only human; human frailty."
As far as the person referred to as Danny I wont make any judgement. I stopped reading certain comments a long time ago. For the most part, it's easy for me to ignore questionable individuals.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 19:51
overflowing a clogged gutter, giving me pause. What if that shelf of rock (I KNOW the place) with cleat handily affixed where nearly perfect place to commit suicide by overdose of morphine and noose attached and simply slip off when liquor and drug overwhelm and slip away also slip off break neck through the trees and peacefully die all at once no pain no pain through the trees just rain clogging the gutters easy fix just rain slip away sure to die forevevermore wet rain. a plan
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 20:11
billybudd, buddy, are you OK? I'm very concerned about you.
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Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:01
one more year? no. I've decided to die come October, but how to go about it? death is scary. any act on ingestion is by fact life-affirming, any speaking-of is death-defying. how to go about it? closed-mouth: starvation and silence. I eat, I exercise, I enjoy to-a-modest-extent eating, -exercising, I continue; something has to give. My will is indomitable, inexorable. How to proceed? Decide my mind, and leave the leavings to 'I'll talk to you'.
Crush the soul, call it ordinary, call is special, call it divine, call is spontaneous derivation: all the same; I'll still die, come October. a plan 'God' couldn't talk of
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:22
rarely do we get rain here, and the gutter's overflowing. I was extra depressed today and thought two half-pints plus the customary quart of beer would do the trick. Then the rain, and I'm listening to the gutter overflow, next I'm precariously tip-toed on a fold-out chair, reaching up and digging out the muck and getting soaked, and remembering this amounts to nothing since I'll soon be dead, and it flashes in my mind 'how', and it seems so perfect and painless with the gram of filched and stashed morphine so inefficient and the direct method so daunting but in concert (in concert!), and my hand grubbing out the gutter and the sparkling awareness - none of this matters! not even the exclamation point!(!)
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:32
Billybudd, if you hang on, things will get better. Just hang on and think about the things that are meaningful to you. And it may be hard to think of those things right now, because drinking isn't helping. Alcohol is, as I'm sure you are aware, a depressant. You need to get happier, billybudd. Am I right? Just try not drinking for a while. I know you can do this. You've done it before, haven't you? I believe it is said that most people make numerous attempts before they stop. Go back to AA if that's what you need to do. Or if you don't want to do that, try something different; some other support group. I personally found the tools of SMART to be very positive and not shame and guilt inducing. Some find the steps to be an obstacle to happiness and recovery. But please can the hotline number given above and find something worth living for.
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 20:12
If you're having dangerous thoughts or have done something please call someone right away. A relative, 911, the paramedics. Mixing drugs and alcohol is very dangerous.
Please please reach out!
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 20:41
I guess that's what I get for trying to make sense. :-)
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 20:24
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 20:27
Hey billybud, beautiful, poignant writing aside, you need to talk to somebody. Sorry for the repetition and sorry for probably crossing the line since we've never spoken. But there's concern for you right now.