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Submitted by Clara on Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:14

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In response to criticism by uniformed people thinking that I was out here hiring illegals to do work I thought would be personally demeaning, I decided to take the ironing to EZ Iron. Instead of paying Anna, a hardworking, cheerful woman, $20.00 a hour to do ironing, plus a 25% tip and busfare, I decided that I should instead pay this company 1.00 a pair of slacks and $1.50 per shirt. With professional grade equipment, the results surely look nicer and it doesn't even take an hour. I save money. They even deliver for free.

So, what did your criticism (as well as ignorance) net? It took work from a willing woman for whom $25.00 has real buying power in her locale. By hiring her to come over when she's finished cleaning next door, Anna nets over 75.00 for the day. It would take her husband three days to make that in Mexico. When I hire people like Anna, I don't feel any differently than when I buy free-trade items at my co-op or healthfood store, or when I buy shoes from a company that donates to causes I care about...

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:58

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But is she being hired legally?

But is she being hired legally? Times have changed and the hiring of domestic help has changed also. Since you hire her on an hourly basis you have the responsibility to verify that she is paying taxes on pay for her work or has her own company that is responsible. Long gone are the days of hiring a maid and just forgetting about it, you have to follow the following laws in Texas:

Tax Law
Employment Law
Contract Law
Immigration Law
Negligence Law: Liability for What Happens to the Employee
Negligence Law: Liability for What the Employee Does
Negligent Entrustment Law and Respondeat Superior Law
Criminal Law and Civil Repercussions

Read it all at: http://www.americanbar.org/publications/gp_solo/2011/october_november/le... from "Legal Pitfalls When Hiring Domestic Help Vol. 28 No. 7 By Robert A. Kraft, Kathryn M. Kraft (Robert A. Kraft practices personal injury, Social Security disability, and elder law in Dallas, Texas. Kathryn M. Kraft practices employment law in Dallas.)"

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Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:13

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Yes, she is hired legally. It

Yes, she is hired legally. It is no different for her to come over here to do work than it is for your neighbor kid to come over and mow your yard. 500k people cross our borders everyday to work in El Paso. Some are regularly employed people that pay taxes on their earnings and work for dentists, doctors, at the hospitals, eateries and shops. Some ARE doctors and dentists. From what my accountant says, if I want to get technical about it, I can pay her up to 600. without a problem. Where people get into trouble with this is when they hire people to live in their homes fulltime that do not have the legal credentials to be here. Most of the time, it isn't even the issue of tax evasion. It's one of immigration.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:12

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You're wrong Clara, read the link I posted from the Bar Assoc.

I even made sure that it is a valid link for the laws in Texas since the article was written by Texas Lawyers for the Bar Association. If she falls and hurts herself in your house, who pays for the medical bills? Who reports her earnings? Who pays her State and Federal Unemployment Insurance (FUI, SUI)? Are you hiring her legally?

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the Law, only for chanting Bill Wilson...

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:14

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Wouldn't she be considered

Wouldn't she be considered more of a sub than an employee?

According to my accountant, what I was doing is fine and accepted in this area.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:26

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I don't know Clara, you seem to have a lot of issues with law

1. Claiming to have a Masters Degree in Criminal justice, yet knowing nothing about the law.
2. Claiming to know nothing about a vacation scam, but you know all of the people envolved.
3. Claiming to have a DUI with crash expunged (3rd DUI).
4. Claiming to have a 2nd DUI dropped becuse you were drunk but couldn't prove it.
5. Claiming to have a 1st DUI dropped because they couldn't prove you were driving.
6. Claiming to not have been stalking someone, but on "vacation" 100's of miles from the "vacation" spot on Easter Sunday.
7. Claiming that stalking people on the Huffington Post is OK, because you were protecting a woman who was in AA.

I sense heavy deception Clara. One incident or maybe two could be overlooked, but you are showing the pattern of someone that is not to be trusted and believes themselves above the law.

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:12

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You are being selective, JR.

You are being selective, JR. I showed C&E where I was not the woman in question with the vacation deal. Daytona is just the over a bridge from the HH meeting, and I understand the judiciary homepages were just updated 3/2012. I knew I hadn't seen it before. I wouldn't have been able to get a pbj otherwise. Interesting reaction to my info trumping yours.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:52

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1. I do. 2. I don't know

1. I do. 2. I don't know any of the people involved. 3. It was supposed to be expunged and apparently was since it wasn't found when the prosecutor was looking for dope on me later. 4. The State has to be able to prove it's case. 5. The State has to be able to prove it's case. 6. Daytona is a great riding spot and where we had planned to go, hence reserving a bike months in advance, a proven fact. 7. I can leave opinion on HuffPo (or elsewhere), and I will.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Vicky345uk

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:16

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JR

I just wanted to point this out. Last week when Clara was looking at RFR and bringing what people said back here you laid in to her,and told her she needs to do her own inventory and that she was a disgrace. Yet here you are digging dirt all over the place on her. You are relentless with it JR.

LisaMarie

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:29

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As I have explained before, I

As I have explained before, I work in the construction field. JR 70% of the labor is illegals, everyone knows this. They find one person with a green card and ask him to bring the labor. This is happening all over the country, in every state. You see it as everybody on this site see it.
So please stop it, tormenting members here.
Stop going around and digging personal information up on people, it is disrespectful. I don't care what happened in the past, it is over and you need to stop.
You do this because you know no one knows your real name. You feel superior, you are laughing. JR your behavior is sick and should get you banned but because it hasn't, you feel empowered to continue.
Orange, when the hell are you finally going to deal with this member. He is attacking a member, remember you said this was one of the rules that you would not allow.
Please do something.

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:50

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Yes Danny, but what are the differences?

All items have been admitted too by this person on this very forum and attempts to minimize the actions employed. It shows a pattern which needs to be shown. I brought nothing to the forum that has not already been brought forth by the person trying to minimize it and make excuses for their behavior and how they "skirted the law" on it.

As for using false names and feeling above the law. How many female construction workers are there that claim to own their own construction firm? I did not bring up the green card issue, you did and there is an amnesty period that just started this week that I agree with. Please try and stay current Danny.

LisaMarie

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:15

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JR, you need to be banned, it

JR, you need to be banned, it is really that simple. What you are doing to Clara is wrong. You are attacking her, every day you attack someone here. You are relentless.
This is why so many of us are getting real sick of you, your own people are tired of you.
I will not respond to your questions, stupid comments, calling me names and all the other disrespectful and hateful things you call me and do to me.
I will let this community have the last say. You will eventually step over the line and someone will deal with you. You do understand Clara is married and has a husband.
I don't see anyone else acting as you do here.
Let it go.

causeandeffect

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:51

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This community says JR is

This community says JR is just fine. There, that's the last say.

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 20:11

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ORANGE: This person posting

ORANGE: This person posting as LisaMarie is obviously the same person you have banned several times, and his pattern is always the same. He comes back, attacks and makes ludicrous statements and then digs in and starts making demands and threats:

"I will let this community have the last say. You will eventually step over the line and someone will deal with you."

This entire board has become an exercise in identifying yet again a commenter who has already been told he is not wanted here, and that is useless. While I completely understand your position on stifling speech and censorship, this is not someone who is simply here to debate a differing view, but someone who is banned from the forum! "I will let this community have the last say. You will eventually step over the line and someone will deal with you."?!? Now he seems to think he's not only welcome again but also a moderator of sorts. Please shut this person out for good, he has already run enough people from this forum for his nonsense, but his continued (successful) attempts to rejoin this forum just show that these trolls are able to do whatever they want here with no consequences whatsoever.

Thank You.

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SandyB

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:23

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The last word is that you,

The last word is that you, Danny Bennison, are a stalker and online abuser with a criminal record of abusing and raping children

It's all over the internet and always will be

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:45

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Who skirted the law, JR? I

Who skirted the law, JR? I did what was required of me.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:47

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Orange won't do anything,

Orange won't do anything, even to allow me to have a different account so that I can use my own name. Interesting.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Vicky345uk

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:44

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Past

We all have a past and mine has been colourful, I have now made peace with it. It's not fair dredging up people's past.

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:02

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The key here is are you continuing in the same way as the past?

I agree, let old infractions pass, unless they show a pattern and are being continued. A person that has one DUI without an accident should not have the past actions held against them. A person who has three, with the last one involving a crash who brags about being "above the law" by expunging them should have those past actions shown, because they show a pattern of continuing those actions.

We all have things in our past that we would feel better if they were not brought up. However in this case, the last action was only 5 years ago and the person is bragging about having them "covered up" by a lawyer continually. The bragging of this is part of this forum and is heavily documented. I dug nothing up from the past that was not already exposed by the person involved.

LisaMarie

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:52

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First it is really none of

First it is really none of your business. Stop saying because she posted it here or there it makes it your business, because it doesn't. Regardless of what she says or doesn't say, they are not your words they are hers and they should be respected.
The problem here is intent, your intent is to harm someone.
This makes this whole incident despicable.
The lengths you go to, to hurt people is just nuts JR.
This is the "pattern" you should be worried about. Check your behavior at the door before judging others.
All this hate and the attacks have got to stop, all of it.
Stop it.

JR Harris

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:26

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Danny, it's "leave your brain at the door"

But please next time make sure you pick it up on the way back out of your next cult worship meeting to Bill Wilson.

LisaMarie

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:34

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This is exactly what I mean

This is exactly what I mean about you. You just refuse to get it. Your attacks and attempts at humiliating people is getting real old. You are just trying to keep the fires lit of hate amongst us all.
JR I don't want to do it anymore. i don't care who you call me, just stop picking fights and attacking people. Leave people alone.
You really don't have to insult people all the time. Try just being a normal guy.

SandyB

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:25

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Like this Danny?

Your words to a victim

"My little fist fucker- The Panny Fanny wrote:Listen you little faggot the only thing you are going to save is that big hole that will be pounded into your ass. Were you standing up, on all fours, bent over the desk or on your back with your legs up while Danny was pounding your ass. I mean this is your fantasy, at least give us some description how It went. Did you cum early, you pre-me ejact.
Fucking pussies can't even show himself.
Oh I am going to save all these threats.....lmao!!!!!!"

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:32

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Sandy why??

Why even put that shit out for people to see.?? Does it not occur to you that there maybe some people here who are victims of some kind of abuse? Sexual,physical,mental. You put that on before and it's vile. Sandy what is your problem?

SandyB

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:39

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The man disguised as a woman

The man disguised as a woman "Lisamarie" wrote that to a member of our group. Someone he raped when he was a director at the Elan School

You should know who's shouting "victim" here. He's a rapist and abuser of women and children. Don't ya know?

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:42

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Sandy

Why put it out again and again? It does not serve any purpose.

Clara

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:33

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I have never bragged about

I have never bragged about being above the law in any way, JR, nor were they ever covered up. I certainly acknowledged my issues, where my drinking took me and how things came to be different today, and I did it within the first two weeks on the forum. I did not, however, bring those things to the forum in a way that identified me, and I think that was inappropriate. I wonder, in all honesty, if you would have been so pleased to do it if you knew that it wouldn't be embarrassing to me... but helpful. It also is not being "continued." Thank God for AA.

I do not hire illegals. You are simply incorrect.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 04:15

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Dual citizenship?

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Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:14

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For the maids? No. They can

For the maids? No. They can come over here just as we can go over there. All you need is a passport or bridgepass.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Vicky345uk

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 05:17

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Clara

If you know the truth about your past and you have made peace with it is no-ones business. I think it's terrible people are doing this, finding dirt about people.

Pennywise

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 19:40

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I wonder if they day will

I wonder if the day will come when, instead of Home Depot, illegals start hanging out in front of rehab centers looking for day labor as 12 Step treatment counselors?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 04:09

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Tax reporting made easy

Common Law Rules

The following are a list of 20 questions the IRS uses to determine if a worker is an independent contractor or employee. The answer of yes to any one of the questions (except #16) may mean the worker is an employee.

Is the worker required to comply with instructions about when, where and how the work is done?

Is the worker provided training that would enable him/her to perform a job in a particular method or manner?

Are the services provided by the worker an integral part of the business' operations?

Must the services be rendered personally?

Does the business hire, supervise, or pay assistants to help the worker on the job?

Is there a continuing relationship between the worker and the person for whom the services are performed?

Does the recipient of the services set the work schedule?

Is the worker required to devote his/her full time to the person he/she performs services for?

Is the work performed at the place of business of the company or at specific places set by the company?

Does the recipient of the services direct the sequence in which the work must be done?

Are regular oral or written reports required to be submitted by the worker?

Is the method of payment hourly, weekly, monthly (as opposed to commission or by the job?)

Are business and/or traveling expenses reimbursed?

Does the company furnish tools and materials used by the worker?

Has the worker failed to invest in equipment or facilities used to provide the services?

Does the arrangement put the person in a position or realizing either a profit or loss on the work?

Does the worker perform services exclusively for the company rather than working for a number of companies at the same time?

Does the worker in fact make his/her services regularly available to the general public?

Is the worker subject to dismissal for reasons other than non-performance of the contract specifications?

Can the worker terminate his/her relationship without incurring a liability for failure to complete the job?

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 04:11

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Tax reporting made even easier

Non-Employee Requirements
To qualify a person as an independent contractor under Section 503 of the 1978 Revenue Act, the following three (3) requirements must be met:

You must file 1099 miscellaneous income forms (if over $600)

Similar workers must be treated alike (not treated as employees)

There must be a good reason for the contractor status

a) Precedent: court cases and revenue rulings

b) Practice: long standing in the industry

c) IRS previous audit

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 04:13

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Tax reporting way easier

The ultimate safeguard is to complete a Form SS-8 which asks the IRS for a determination if the person is an employee.

Pennywise

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 04:27

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Thanks for that, LFOD! The

Thanks for that, LFOD! The Orange Papers rock!

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 07:18

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Absolutely, LFOD. Thank you

Absolutely, LFOD. Thank you for demonstrating that I was certainly not doing anything illegal or egregious in hiring a woman to work in my home for an hour every two weeks to do ironing.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:23

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No Problem CLar

Keep in mind that it is still illegal to hire illegals.

Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:12

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Of course it is, but you (and

dup

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Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 10:12

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Of course it is, but you (and

Of course it is, but you (and Avo) overlook that these people aren't illegal. They can come over our borders just as easily and rightfully as you and I cross theirs.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:24

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yes CLar

people are, generally, allowed to cross international borders. However, when it comes to working LEGALLY in the U.S. one needs U.S. documentation/authorization, such as US citizenship, a work visa or something similar.

Furthermore, I don't think I, or you, can LEGALLY work in Mexico without some type of authorization from Mexican authorities.

Do I care if you hire illegals to do your laundry or mow your lawn? No.

Clara

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:40

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Who says that she doesn't?

Who says that she doesn't? Remember local custom, too. It matters here.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 05:53

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Remembering

I never said she doesn't have the proper documentation CLar. That is an issue between yourself, your maid and the U.S. Government.

I simply pointed out the correct federal income tax reporting under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code.

Local custom does not come into play in administering the laws of the United States with respect to the Internal Revenue Code. This is a fact even if you choose to ignore it, like many others.

Clara

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 06:59

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That could be right, LF. I

That could be right, LF. I am just passing on what the accountant told me. For example, no one would be calling an audit on your ironing lady that comes every two weeks for an hour. Day workers coming over from Juarez is such a part of the culture. 500k people cross the border every day for work, some legitimately in businesses and some with probably varying degrees of "legitimacy". I doubt you'd ever have a "nannygate" situation in El Paso unless (s)he was living in your home fulltime.

I was actually astonished when I was homehunting and they had "maids room and bath" in their ads. When I looked at a home with it, I asked the agent what the back room was for. It's generally a 10' x 10' room with a 3/4 bath, situated off of the laundry or kitchen. It seemed so small and I couldn't see putting a guest in there. She said it was the maid's quarters, and she explained the deal to me. I just couldn't see putting a person in a room that size. I got it later when I went into Mexico for meds once. It would have been a luxury. I can certainly see where a live in maid could and would have tax applications.

They do things differently here, and I am not sure how much the IRS seems to care about that in border towns where people do work for the day and then go back home. It's a practice that goes back generations, and I seem to recall that word popping up somewhere in your information.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 06:54

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My generation

Like I said CLar, The IRS does not recognize local customs. The IRS interprets the tax laws passed by Congress. There is no specific Internal Revenue Code Section that says the IRS will follow LOCAL customs.

Individuals earning income is the U.S are, generally, subject to income tax on that income. For the most part, individuals earning income in the U.S. are SUPPOSED to be here legally.

U.S. Treas. Reg. § 1.61-1

Gross income.

(a) General definition. Gross income means all income from whatever source derived, unless excluded by law. Gross income includes income realized in any form, whether in money, property, or services. Income may be realized, therefore, in the form of services, meals, accommodations, stock, or other property, as well as in cash. Section 61 lists the more common items of gross income for purposes of illustration. For purposes of further illustration, § 1.61-14 mentions several miscellaneous items of gross income not listed specifically in section 61. Gross income, however, is not limited to the items so enumerated.

This section of the Treasury regulations define taxable income quite broadly. Income of whatever type and source is taxable. This applies to any hotel accomodations, meals and travel expenses that are paid for the benefit of, for example, Mr. Clancy Imusland in his speaking engagements around the world.

It sounds like El Paso has a border crossing issue that the U.S. President is not addressing.

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