I've been asked many times by an AA, "Why didn't you just leave?". This usually here on the OP and occurring after discussing some aspect of my personal involvement. I've long since learned that most questions by an AA aren't sincerely asked in order to understand, but actually just an attempt to place blame of a negative experience solely onto me.
Apparently being lied to and told that AA is the only way, and undergoing scare tactics such as, "you will die from your addiction if you leave", isn't good enough reasons to have stayed. I wonder, does someone like me that was regularly told the above, really deserve the negative reinforcement just because trolls think I was so stupid as to believe it? That’s quite odd actually, because so many of the same would claim that so-in-so that relapsed and died because they were stupid and didn’t listen.
The big lies by AA are common and occur so frequently that all honest members/former agree that the program has vast problems. Being that a substance addiction breaks people down, making them desperate, and the program features are so encompassing as to keep guru members committed, it's understandable to me that people generally have a strong possibility of feeling trapped there.
Because we all likely had other circumstances that led to our participation, what are some of the other reasons people "stayed" in AA despite so many negative features?
Although I wasn't sentenced to AA by the court I got pressure outside of AA to attend as well. Some by two hatters and some by normie people that like I was told, believed AA was the only way to get and stay sober.
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Vicky345uk
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:39
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Goodbye everyone
Guys it's been an eventful week being on here but I have had my fill now. To everyone, I just don't feel I am learning anything at all. The only thing I have learned is Danny Bennison is dangerous.
Even to the trolls... Take care and I hope you all have a great life. I truly mean that
Love and light
Vicky xx
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:44
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Why with the attention
Why with the attention whoring. Get lost. Good bye.......Hello......Good Bye.......Hello......who cares.
avogadno
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:49
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This from the most attention
This from the most attention seeking and multiple reincarnated cyber blogger in history.
Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:53
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Listen, you have contributed
Listen, you have contributed far more hate on this site than I will ever.
avogadno
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:47
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Oh sheesh Danny.
Oh sheesh Danny.
Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/
avogadno
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:51
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Take care Vicky, I know how
Take care Vicky, I know how you feel. This forum has been short of productive for a while now. While the Orange Papers are the bomb, the forum itself is unfortunately a bust.
Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:55
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Speak for yourself Avo, if
Speak for yourself Avo, if people like yourself would just stay over on your site, this site would be just fine. A nice balance of anti and pro, this is not your Nazi RFR site.
Persephone In Exile
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:29
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Rather, this site would be
Rather, this site would be just fine if you'd quit coming back every time you got banned. It is funny how steamed you are over the RFR site, though. It obviously gets to you. Why do you care so much that it exists, Danny?
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 21:24
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Not getting what you are
Not getting what you are laying down there, Michelle. Come back!!
avogadno
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 00:10
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What can I say? You bring
What can I say? You bring out the best in people, it's a talent.
Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/
becket
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:58
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In everyone else's words, but
In everyone else's words but my own: "Vicky - fuck off."
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Gunthar2000
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:02
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Goodbye Vicky
It's been a pleasure.
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
Gunthar2000
http://www.expaa.org/
DeConstructor
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:05
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Lisa Marie/Danny
Your new and everchanging avatar looks like a state fair type pencil sketch of brittney spears.
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 21:29
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So, you are looking at me,
So, you are looking at me, from behind those Ray-Ban Sunglasses.
JR Harris
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 22:05
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Nice Avatar of FBI poster Danny. Do you know what happened?
Yes Danny, leave it up to you to use an FBI wanted poster for Amy Bradley in Barbados 2005. That one is almost as good as your Quagmire username when you were stalking the children you abused at Elan School.
I forgot all about your Quagmire stalking handle Danny, thanks for reminding me.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
causeandeffect
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 22:26
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Thanks for bringing that to
Thanks for bringing that to our attention, JR. That really creeps me out.
Troll free AA critical forum
http://www.expaa.org/
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:42
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I seem to have misplaced my avatar.
Anybody seen it?
Disgusting human being Banny 2 B is. And CLar & judge bucket align themselves with him. Wow!
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
rainbow
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:33
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LisaMarie needs a clue (again)
LisaMarie said: "Speak for yourself Avo, if people like yourself would just stay over on your site, this site would be just fine. A nice balance of anti and pro, this is not your Nazi RFR site."
This is the most LAUGHABLE thing I've read all week. HAHAHAHAHA!
RFR is a Nazi site? Hardly. If anything, it's a place of truth. That bothers you (& others here) because you all aren't allowed to spew your bullshit over there.
"Stay over on your site" you say?? Are you saying that the Orange Papers Forum is YOUR site? And the site of all your other obnoxiously, uninformed, in denial, brainwashed stepper-trash friends?
You trolls WISH you could be on the RFR site.
But alas, you can't. :)
Don't you have better things to do other than be here on an anti-AA site? Like say... go to a meeting? maybe do your steps? call your sponsor? perhaps go fuck your sponsor?
You're funny, LisaMarie or Danny Bennison. Whichever you are today...
Persephone In Exile
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:40
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Rainbow, with all the talk of
Rainbow, with all the talk of fellowships and people supporting each other (and how that's viewed as a good thing, both by people at RFR and by the likes of Danny and Clara), you'd think they'd be simply happy that there is a site for people to bond over similar experiences. That is what most pro-AAs around here promote, at least on the surface. Not to mention the talk of "no one said AA was the only way" (which apparently is mere lip service, as usual). OK, so people wanted to start a forum where there could be fellowship without further abuse from trolls whose only aim is to mock people who DON'T want to go the 12 step route, and these same trolls who give such splendid words on how it doesn't bother them that others find a different way go ballistic!
They can't stop going there and trying to post things from RFR here, or mock them here, or try (and be blocked) to mock people there. If they were as good as their words here, they wouldn't mind. But their aim was never to just allow there to be another way, or for there to be support. Their goal was simply to troll--and to keep trolling people no matter which forum. Really speaks to their true goals in all of this. Astounding, isn't it?
RECOVERING FROM RECOVERY. The most appropriate forum/website title ever in regards to this whole topic, IMHO. There's nothing people can stand less than when people try to go quietly. Let the dogs bark. The caravan moves on.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
becket
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:45
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"HAHAHAHAHA!"
"HAHAHAHAHA!"
Orange contends someone who laughs like this has, what was it? Lost his grip on reality, lost his marbles, can't think of a comeback - he lobbed that one at me today. Now you're in the club. What's your name? Are you an alcoholic? Are you a victim? Please present three concrete sources for your beliefs and turn them in to causeandeffect before the end of the evening.
By the way, don't think RFR is impervious to trolls.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
LisaMarie
Fri, 08/10/2012 - 21:20
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Raindrop, grow up. Take your
Raindrop, grow up. Take your fantasia experince back to your site, please. If we wanted to be on your site than we would act like you...Vomiting....but alas we don't.
Good night!
SandyB
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 02:49
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Danny Bennison (LisaMarie) the rapist and abuuser of chi;dren
The only cure for what you have is suicide. A hollow point bullet is the best way to go
SandyB
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:00
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G2K says
G2K says
Danny tried to get into Soberclub Soberfriends Network today and I denied him access.
This guy just can’t take a hint.
June 27, 2011, 11:04 am
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witness4justice says
Thanks,
“Spammy” Benniscum is now trolling over here: http://troubledteenindustry.com/ (as Quagmire)
He is also back on Fornits (as Danny B II) “pretending” to care…..this is getting old!
August 15, 2011, 7:20 am
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MikeAugustine says
Danny is once again spouting on the jref forum that he has 25 years AA experience and none of the meetings he attended have prayer. Yet he refuses to name them. What a sick, pathological liar.
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JR Harris says
One word of caution should also be made. Danny appears to be doing a “Phishing” ploy to get personal information from his prospects using facebook. If you have a facebook account and you click on the link while you were logged in he will automatically have access to pictures of you and a list of all of your friends and family, as well as pictures of them. I have detected where I believe this has been attempted 4 times in the last 2 weeks. Be very careful.
Instructions on Facebook and privacy settings and what information is gathered at each level:
https://www.facebook.com/help/?page=839&_fb_noscript
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PsiCop says
FWIW this fellow ambled over to my own blog. I’ve dealt with some “motivated commenters” in my time, particularly from another religion which at one time was known for being EXTREMELY activist on the Internet, going so far as to sue people for publishing their materials on Usenet or the Web. Had to clean up my blog from all of their comments after it became clear there’d been several people working together.
I’d feared this guy was the vanguard of a similar effort by AA and/or its fanbois, but it sure looks as though it’s an individual thing with him and not an orchestrated effort. But I plan to keep a close eye on this.
As it stands, Danny Bennison has been monitoring Stinkin’ Thinkin’ in order to keep tabs on what forums I, or other readers of this blog, are paying attention to, where he will either use an alias or comment as DannyB II, in an effort to personally attack or harass, derailing any productive discussion on any other forum. He has done this at the LA Times, Opposing Views, Dispatches from the Culture Wars, The Fix, and today, at Miscellanea Agnostica. He has made an effort to insinuate himself into the confidence of people who are connected to this blog in some way, even while using aliases to personally attack them on other venues.
He was banned from Stinkin’ Thinkin’ for his abusive behavior, and has tried to use aliases — new IP’s and email addresses — to insinuate himself back into the community. Most recently using the handle “Quagmire.”
This is genuinely distressing. I cannot engage in discussions elsewhere online without him showing up. Whenever something we write is picked up by another venue, he will go there to turn the discussion into a personal match between himself and readers of this blog, copying and pasting comments from here into other conversations in order to engage them, and effectively ending all conversation. I am disinclined to comment freely, knowing that he will show up and address me personally, commenting on what he perceives to be my motives and intentions. I’m concerned about the contact he has made with people I consider close to me — people who know my personal contact information. And, he has stated that he has a photo of me, which means that he has been searching for my personal information.
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Go Go Rach says
Danny aka Diablo aka whatever else he feels like calling himself on that day was CLAUDE over on my blog and tried to get me to move to Tulsa, OK with him, probably so he could chop me up in little, tiny pieces after he raped me repeatedly.
He did send quite a bit of cash to me, while I was in trouble. It musta sucked to find out I AM NOT FOR SALE. I took the money, though. The way I see it, anyone who is stupid enough to send over a grand to a woman whose online persona is a total nut job deserves to be ROBBED. LMAO off all the way to the bank! *wicked giggle!*
Um, yeah. DeCon. Nice to see ya…miss ya.
Take it easy, peeps!
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Go Go Rach says
Hi Violet!
I appreciate your support and encouragement, but I do believe I did something wrong by posting an irrational comment that I did not put much thought into at four in the morning, or whatever time it was. The ramifications of this mistake are much more than I could even imagine.
First, I am shocked at the cruelty of MA’s reaction to what I wrote and how quickly he is willing to dismiss me as a low life, scam artist.
After all of the good I’ve done in our community and all of the times I have linked this site, sung it’s praises and sent my readers and friends here, I cannot believe the way he has responded to me. I do not deserve this.
On top of his nasty comment, he has removed my site from the blog roll, which is nothing compared to the DANGER he has put me in with his response and refusal to remove a comment I made in haste.
Danny Bennison is a certifiable nutcase who is also an abuser of people, especially women. He has already contacted me via email and I feel so threatened by him that I have packed up my belongings and relocated to another location where I will be able to HIDE FROM HIM.
Also, I just got off the phone with my DAD who is sending me enough money to relocate from my new city to another because I may be killed, due to MA’s total negligence in this situation.
I am waiting for my ride and will draft a post about this entire experience as soon as I am settled in ANOTHER STATE.
Danny Bennison lives in Tulsa, which is an easy trip to make to murder me.,
This is serious. Very serious.
This may be the last you all hear from Go-Go Rach. I’ve received death threats on my blog many times over because this is a DANGEROUS FIGHT.
As much as I want to make a difference in the world, nothing. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is worth dying for.
I wish you all the very best from the bottom of my heart. Stay strong. Don’t give up. Change your minds. THE CULT LIES,
WITH LOVE.
Go-Go Rach
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JR Harris says
Cuggle and Diablo Story on ST:
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/03/14/heads-up/
Diablo posting to me, note IP address:
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/u ... osock1.jpg
Cuggle trying to say that she wasn’t him:
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/u ... update.jpg
Heretikre, Diablo and Danny sdmiting ti know each othr on Mcgowdogs site:
Friday, March 18, 2011
AN ENEMY OF OUR LITTLE FRIENDS IS MY FRIEND
I came across this on ST’s shitlist and was wondering about this guy. I don’t usually read their drivel so I have no history to fall back on. I’m sure some of you guys are familiar with him and was wondering what the consensus was. He seems ok to me, but I haven’t read all his stuff yet. Diablo – you’ve spent some time with ST, any story here?
heretikreb said…
Diablo here,
I have no story here. DannyS has the respect of FTg though.
What a post, thanks Joe.
I have to process this info t/o the weekend. I hope we can generate some conversation here.
March 19, 2011 4:23 PM
heretikreb said…
AN ENEMY OF OUR LITTLE FRIENDS IS MY FRIEND and my friend.
March 19, 2011 4:24 PM
http://mcgowdog.blogspot.com/2011/03/en ... is-my.html
I can give you many other instances if you would like.
September 11, 2011, 12:32 pm
Danny's admission that he had sex with a minor in his care in Elan
From a private message
March 28Danny Bennison
Yvette Portella
Just some inside information, Yvette and I had a thing while we were residents, while I was in re-entry and while I was staff. Which is one of the reasons why I left E-7 so abruptly. Yes we did hook up after she left, her brother almost killed me along with her cousins they did not like white guys in New Haven.
This is the truth, I loved her a great deal. I got my heart broken big time.
Hey I don't want to fight with you. I am asking for forgiveness for crimes I can't remember, honestly Wayne. I have had sleepless nights trying to remember you, I don't. I have a family and a business so I am very careful about things that would harm them. I know you can understand this.
Lets just lay the swords down and let this go for a while and work at shutting Elan down. Maybe in time we can see more of each others souls through our writings here. Many of the people that support your book are my friends some are not. But they asked me how I felt about them supporting your book, I said go for it this is between Wayne and I. Ya see Wayne no one else has wrote a book we could show people so they could read what went on in Elan. Not as explicit as yours. You know your not done writing there is so much more to tell. You are a great writer and Elanians need someone like you to tell their story, please collaborate with others get the real info and get it out there. I believe until Sharon, Jeff and Marty see their names written out their they won't shut down Elan.
Thanks for reading if you did,
Take care
Danny
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From Fornits.com
Re: The rape of Yvette P by Danny Bennison
by DannyB II » 27 Sep 2011, 03:06
Wayne, shut up because once again you are a freaking idiot. If he did meet her it is when she first got there. So yes she was 16. So wasn't I, so if I slept with her how is that criminal, two 16 year olds having sex.
But that aside lets get to the facts, Doug never said anything like this.
Wayne, you would not know this but Wayne W, Denise, Yvette and myself were all the same age and we all came in within months of one another. Denise and Wayne W. and I were residents together at Elan 3 while I was there.
I just love how you run around screaming like a lune trying your damnest to get this conversation off of you and the fact your are a liar.
But this is it I am all done talking about this craziness.
See you back over on my thread it is back to the Book.
I fun with your wild accusations.
Clara
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:02
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It's been my experience at
It's been my experience at OPF that his detractors are just as capable of using his tricks as is Danny
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:17
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Re-alignment
CLar is going to stick to Banny 2 B no matter what. Again, showing no common sense.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
causeandeffect
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 13:22
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What I find odd is that the
What I find odd is that the two have some of the exact the same tactics ^. Look for the similarities...
Now she's even sent me a PM, fishing for information about me, hoping I will call one of her friends.
Troll free AA critical forum
http://www.expaa.org/
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson
Clara
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:12
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I did no such thing, C&E.
I did no such thing, C&E. You are posting something about me that isn't true and I invited you to call the attorney in question since you just don't want to be wrong. Unfortunately, it includes the information about the person in question, but I chose not to post it to the board since the name is similar to mine. Elizabeth Sarantini, the attorney in question, is not one of my friends. She's just the one that handled the case. Interesting too that it happened when I didn't even live in MB. I was still in Annapolis. I would think if it were me, that would have been the address used.
Again, taking a page from PIE's book to suggest that the email says something it doesn't. Poor play. But don't feel special. I would have sent the same email to anyone else as dogged about passing poor information as you are.
I am not a supporter of Danny, but I thought JR was humourous to throw out the cautionary tale about Facebook when that is just what you did, C&E.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Clara
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:18
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Some woman took money from
Some woman took money from this guy and is gleeful about it, and she is his victim? This was so hard to work around, but how stupid was she?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
SandyB
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:04
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May 16
May 16
Danny Bennison
OK I can dig that you want to support a book. Well first off it is not a book all it is, is a story by a person. Your characterization of reasoning or explaining your concept of the authenticity of Waynes story is beautiful because Sean Garbleman (Jeff Wimbelton, Grassyhero) told me the same thing but he was honest he didn't care if the book was honest or not he wanted to use it to close Elan.
Basically you are saying the same thing, you don't care if Wayne is lying so long as something is thrown out there. What story is being told K Lynn, a fabricated story that is littered with untruths.
Big difference between Straight and Elan, Straight would not do this, all along Straight went for the truth.
They hammered some ex-employees but people always said they wanted the truth not some twisted version of the truth.
Next, by all means please tell everyone what you think you saw in Nov 1976. First off you have no idea who I am now or then, trust me on this. I never had set foot in that house until 2/78. I slept in that building when it was still a bunkhouse but that was in 1975. Ken Steer was the Night watchmen.
What you don't know is many ex-employees stay in touch with one another and we all have kept up our schedules and where were from re-entry thru staff and Ass. Director. In Nov of 1976 I was already in E-4 working, I lived in Windham Me.
Next David Eldrich died in either late 1976 or very early 1977 of a suicide. So I don't know how long he was your Director even if he was. You may be confused on that. When you went to 2a Ronnie was your Director there along with Janet Ramos I believe.
I know you said you know who I am K, you don't. This would not be possible.
Wayne likes to think he knows me too, he can't even get his dates right to when I was actually at E-7 and when I left. When I was a Ass. Director and when I was demoted.
K Lynn you know why they made me a Ass.Director at 18yrs. because they needed to show the states they had a certain percentage of Directors, I was not qualified nor compensated.
Bravo to you and all the others on a story that is fucking pure bullshit, in his next book he is going to tell you he knew John Gottie, The Westies and that he gave the hitmen the cab drive to kill Paul Castalongno.
Elan story does need to be told but it needs to be done by someone who is rational and also a professional.
Why do you think Waynes story will never see the light of day, because he would have to have it vetted for the truth. Nice try.
I hope he does make some money, it will pay for the private investigators I hired to do a through background on him. One has to know who is soiling his backyard. Wayne likes to call it stalking, no it is called investigating a known felon who is actively defaming me. The information we garnered will be used when the time is appropriate.
Wayne, Matt, Felice, Mark, Sharon, Doug, Mary W. and their sock puppets and friends you can have them all. Yes I have no problem judging them and what they do and how they do it.
I own a business (medium size) about 176 employees now, judging is a actual necessity it is good business. Another word for it could be called analyze but I believe judging would be best.
If you folks want to pass judgment on me for a time in my life 17-19 have at it I could give a shit, honestly. I was a child, I have never looked at myself as staff or Ass.Director. I can not even conceptualize this position/job. I had a 8th grade education at the time.
So I have left all those idiots who want to play the employee card on the block list, I have no qualms putting more people there.
Thanks for answering my questions and allowing me to see a bit of you.
Once again I have no problem with you sharing what you think you saw back in Daves office or actually before you went into Daves office. Because I know it wasn't me.
I can't tell you how many people think they saw me. Ask Janet Ramos, Marc Rosenberg, Wendy Fraerman, Michele Kellman, Anne ?, Gayle Barron, Myarm Zybee, Susan Goodman, Tracy Austin, Sean O'hara, Mike O'Neil, Anna Goodman and on and on.
These people don't post here but they know me real well and know exactly where I was and when.
I can tell you one last thing if Wayne ever really tried to push a book through it would have to be honest, because Elan and all the employees that worked there while I was there would rip him to shreds. I know this sounds bad but it isn't because most of the employees I am talking about left from 1976-1978. We have all been gone for over 30 years. I am tired of the bullshit being heaped on past employees because you fucking people think you can.
Fuck we were past residents ourselves.
Oh and NO!!! We were not always trying to please the higher ups. We had are own minds and ideas, most of us were trying to make a difference. The same passion and desires every young 18 year old has, we wanted to change the world.
Then we grew up fast, just like when you first see your Gov't for the first time.
I know this was blunt and to the point but I needed you see how I really feel about everything that has been going on.
take carre
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LisaMarie
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:09
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I wish I could sleep.....but
I wish I could sleep.....but my damn A.D.D. kicks in and well basically, one sheep, two sheep, cow, turtle, duck, Ol McDonald had a farm.....Heey Macarena!!!!!
Courtesy of those darn email cards.
Guys get some sleep, go to the beach, go to match.com, go fishing, play some cards, go visit your grandmother, father, dying uncle, long lost friend in need, maybe visit the homeless shelter, IDK. But find some other area to play in that is not up my ass. You folks must love the smell of my lower intestines.
Good day.
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