Why do steppers moan that we should not criticise AA but do something positive like start alternative groups, is it because

I think some of them have a need to feel persecuted. Quite like when members of the dominant religion in the US start complaining that they're being persecuted simply because they no longer have complete hegemony over others. They still have most of it, and are part of groups that by all accounts claim to be utterly fulfilling in of themselves. Not only are they supposedly very fulfilling, they both preach ideas of acceptance and the laying down of arms against those who would frustrate and judge them. That seems to mean little to those who are hell bent (no pun intended) on seeing themselves as part of a persecuted class. They have no fulfillment or else have so little that criticism of the method by which they are supposedly reaching that fulfillment shakes their sense of self. They have to cling to it and, unable to handle the criticism of their path, decide to go off onto long tangents in their quest for fulfillment and serenity (TM) that consist of attacking others.

In other words, they're just barely making it themselves, and it drives them nuts.

The members of Alcoholics Anonymous, and all of the offshoots of the cult that Bill Wilson built are continually brainwashed into believing that to "recover" from the made up spiritual disease of addiction you must be in a program that searches out other people with the same disease and indoctrinate them into the cult.

AA member mistakenly believe that they MUST search out other addicts in any program that helps you escape from addiction. The twelfth and last step that is chanted at the beginning of every 12 Step meeting is,"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs" and AA members believe that you must search for prospects in any program you are in. The recitation of Chapter 5 "How It Works" at many of the AA rituals further embraces the fact that in order to "recover" you must search out and convert other prospects to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous. The prospect hunting instruction chapter 7 " Working With Others" in the Big Book glorifies the need to prospect hunt and convert prospects, especially on page 89:

To watch people recover, to see them help others, to watch loneliness vanish, to see a fellowship grow up about you, to have a host of friends -- this is an experience you must not miss.

The reason AA members believe that any program needs to be manned by "graduates" who seek out others to indoctrinate into the rituals of other programs is because they were brainwashed that way, they are constitutionally incapable of realizing that programs exist that do not continually tell you that you have to prospect hunt. While the many other programs such as SMART do have the opportunity to become a facilitator (the rough equivalent of a chairperson in AA) they do not have ritual chanting that says you must do it to become "recovered."

This is the reason that I picked "other." An average AA member is brainwashed into believing that you must become a chairperson, General Service Manger (GSM), District Committee Member (DCM)or join in on the hunting of prospects in Hospital and Institutions (H&I) or "Correction Committes" targeting the canned hunting of prospects in jails and prisons. During the first year they have recited the 12 Steps an average of over a hundred times (2 meetings a week) and Chapter 5 "How it Works" about a dozen (at least once a month). This added with propaganda movies and plays like "My Name is Bill" or "Pass It On" AA members can not even imagine a "program" that was not heavily entrenched in prospect hunting and service work. That is why they can not understand why other programs do not train the attendees to search out other clients for the Recovery Industry Cartel and build a client base for Rehabs and Sober Homes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I

And by the way, AA/12 steps kill people.

Criticism without a suggestion for change is worthless.

because they are a very christion religion and think their way is the only way.

I am here to be away from steppers and am not interested in debate with them. Any steppers out there just leave me alone. Why do steppers feel such a need to come here? Is there not enough AA mtgs? Is it that evangilistical drive to convert everybody?

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I want to hear a person's solution. I don't care what it is. You DONT have to be in aa to share your experience, strength and hope. I would assume most people sober up without aa so I would assume the sober "aa bashers" actually have a large audience that's willing to listen.