Submitted by Ed on Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:21
this study indicates that AA attendance does not have any impact on reducing anger
My best guess is that AA does not deal with real emotions or the thoughts that creat them.
That takes real work , cognitive behavior therapy, undestanding emotions and what drives them.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20409438
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dorak nob
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 18:20
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you would not believe the
you would not believe the shares I've heard about road rage, standing in lines at super markets. Any stressful situation where the average joe would blow it off could become cutting someone off on freeway to beating the crap out of someone who flipped you off. I do believe AA fosters this anger in it's denial and it's constant hammering away at this real human emotions . Anger is part life but in AA it's seen as a terrible character defect that will magically disappear. Of course if your working the steps you will be free of anger.
alkieanon
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 20:08
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Anger Anonymous
Anger Anonymous.
Time to start another xA 12 Step Program? LOL!
alkieanon
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 20:09
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Or Should It Be Anger Management?
Or should it be Anger Management?
All you need to start a new meeting is a resentment (or anger) and a coffee pot.
NoAAUK
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 00:43
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Personally I never found
Personally I never found anger relevant to over drinking.
Overexcitement or worry or depression yes, but anger? I'd likely be sober if I was angry.
Incidentally I was speaking to somebody last night who had attended AA for one meeting. He said it depressed him so much he went straight from the meeting and got drunk.
He now works as a chef in a pub and drinks responsibly, so he must have found a better solution than 1930's cult religion…….it works if you DON’T work it (AA that is :)
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Clara
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 07:31
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I've herad people say that,
I've herad people say that, too... when they've come back into the rooms because they hadn't been ready for abstinence before.
If he wants to drink and can do it responsibly, then abstinence wasn't for him and he recongnized it. AA isn't for people that can drink responsibly. We passed that.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:44
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CLar says
"We passed that."
What Clar, GSO passed a "conference approved" rule that if you can drink responsibly you can't be AA?
Or was it a "minority report" that the fellowship passed?
Maybe it was the GSB Trustees that passed this rule. The Trustees control the fellowship of heretics ya know.
LOL!
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Pennywise
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:38
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Abstinence is not for you,
Abstinence is not for you, either. You consume alcohol in moderation.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Clara
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 20:57
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Not in a long time, Penny.
Not in a long time, Penny.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:49
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Clara
Back to the old unanswered question again. If God can miracle you steppers to NOT drink.......why can't he just as easily miracle you to be able to drink moderatley?
Also if the 12 steps can miracle you to stop smoking
http://nicotine-anonymous.org/
how come most of you are chain smokers.......I won't go into the sexual predator thing
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Pennywise
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:20
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Indeed. Esspecially since
Indeed. Esspecially since you are supposed to drink wine to taste Chirst's blood. Good point.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Clara
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 20:56
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Not everyone takes communion,
Not everyone takes communion, Penny, and not all denominations use wine.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 06:43
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Alcoholics Anonymous' (AA) cupboards are bare
The cupboard is empty alkie.
AA/12 steps offers nothing more than god.
No help with emotional issues. No help with physical issues. No help with mental issues.
Instead, AA/12 steps offers god and prayers. AA/12 steps offers surrender of your self. AA/12 steps offers lifetime meetings. AA/12 steps offers repeated drunkalogues. AA/12 steps offers feelings of guilt and shame. AA/12 steps offers hanging in the roomz with old-timers-that have not moved on. AA/12 steps offers advice most often from some seriously screwed up people. AA/12 steps offers telling one's life to strangers. AA/12 steps offers life one day at a time. AA/12 steps offers a life of going into jails and prisons (service). And maybe some sex.
AA/2 steps offers people such as yourself alkie, a person who offers nothing of substance. AA/12 steps offers people like CLar who are shallow and narcissists, offering nothing but themselves in all their glory. AA/12 steps offers people like first-things-first and banny 2 B.
AA/12 steps offers nothing but god.
AA/12 steps, cupboards are bear (four banny 2 B)
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
alkieanon
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 06:49
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Serenity
"Serenity is not freedom from the storm, but peace amid the storm"
LisaMarie
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 07:06
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Domo Mashiko!!
Domo Mashiko!!
Clara
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 07:32
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Exactly. The storms of life
Exactly. The storms of life don't bypass the sober person.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:57
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Clara
"Exactly. The storms of life don't bypass the sober person."
Life itself passes you steppers by. You spend most of your time in rooms slurping coffee regurgitaing the same old cult speak over and over again, year in year out.
Your are in your own stepper fantasy world of "Door Knobs" "Resentments" and "Character Defects"
What do you people know about the 'storms' of life?.....you are totally detached from reality, even when people are commiting suicide all around you, you are oblivous to it......you no longer have any concept of reality
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
LisaMarie
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 07:11
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Idol, your standard line is
Idol, your standard line is old. 2 million people are looking at you and telling you to pound sand. What have you got....lmao!!.............waiting..............still waiting..........Zzzzzzzzzzzzz........yawn..........sigh!! Times up?
Good bye!
becket
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 15:04
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AA is not psychology or
AA is not psychology or psychotherapy.
lfop has a crop of resentments and he obviously chooses to do nothing about it. He's dragging that shit around like an overstuffed steamer trunk. He should either cut it loose or find a good therapist.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:52
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Must be Philosophy then judge
CLar said: "The storms of life don't bypass the sober person.
Judge, when you are you suggesting that I find a good therapist is that you offering judge advice, priest advice, doctor advice or teacher advice. You sure wear a lot of hats judge.
Asshat!
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:59
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Asshat becket LOL
Asshat becket LOL
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 07:15
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AA's cupboard is bare
Another post from a Sober Recovery forum.
Is this what you want?
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ohhhhh Boy
Posted 08-01-2012 at 09:50 AM by Mcribb
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Don't quit. Keep moving forward, and show up. Give yourself credit for just getting out of bed. This has been what I have been doing lately. I don't have any family around me and I have gave up wanting lots of money, woman, status, etc, so that in turn has left me with a general blah for life lately. I know it is a phase and I have to get up do my prayers and keep moving forward. I have pushed through so much crap already in my life this blah times aren't as bad as being hungover, sweaty, and gross. I took action to have more fun in sobriety by going to Football practices, playing cards, and working out. I also listen to music and blog. I moved forward with some AA service work and that helped me put down some "Facts' That my actions are good even though I feel crumby. So I know my feelings will turn around especially with cooler weather. Hope everyone else is doing well out there.
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Poor bastard has trouble getting out of bed and facing the day. And what does AA offer to this troubled individual? Prayers and service work! oh, and more meetings. "Keep Coming Back", forever.
Is this what you want?
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:01
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Can't he just do an Online
Can't he just do an Online stepper meeting in bed?
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
alkieanon
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 14:37
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If life is so grand without AA, then why so angry and upset?
If life is so grand without AA, then why are all these OPF'ers "very angry and upset" and mad?
Persephone In Exile
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 20:15
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I'm almost never angry about
I'm almost never angry about anything but this one subject, really. My anger over the way I was being treated back then, however, also made me much stronger. My anger over the situation I was in already made me angry enough to propel myself out of it. My anger over being angry allowed me to leave anger mostly behind. Anger is the best motivator I know, and while I would never let it run my life, I found it far more useful than any sort of higher power. Anger frequently is the catalyst for great change, societally, personally, etc. I find it a very useful emotion, and not just for me on a personal level; though like anything, it should only be used in moderation. It just tends to get a bad rap.
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
Clara
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 20:59
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I think that any emotion can
I think that any emotion can have good use, but not if they run riot. There is certainly jusified anger, and yours sounds like a story that surely justified it.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:33
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alkie
"If life is so grand without AA, then why are all these OPF'ers "very angry and upset" and mad?"
Because we are not totally self-centred like you stepper true believers. We know that, even as I type this, there are many many people out there enduring the same 12 step hell, mind fuck that we had to endure.
The very same 12 step mind screw that was forced on us by you stepper gurus for your own self-gratification, whether that was the deluded belief that God would keep you sober if you recruited us into satans stepper death cult, with scaremongering lies and misinformation, or for controlling or sexual predation or any combination of these totally self-serving deviant methods of self-gratification.
To summarise we are angry because we were deceived and manipulated by a self-serving, lying misinforming scaremongering death cult full of control freaks, sexual predators and paedophiles and we are still angry because many many other vulnerable bemused people are still being abused by this satanic cult
Does that finally answer this question or is one of you going to ask it again next week?
If there is a judgement day, I really would not want to be a stepper when it comes
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
patti
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:43
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If life is so grand with aa
If life is so grand with aa why are you, clara, becket & the other trolls here on this forum every single day? Every day the 3 of you are on this forum. What a wonderful life the three of you are having! La, la, la. Billshit again.
patti
live_free_or_die
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:47
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"Liked"
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Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
becket
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 19:51
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I'm not a member of AA, patti
I'm not a member of AA, patti. Maybe if I say it a 41st time you will understand it.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:11
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becket
"I'm not a member of AA, patti."
ALL steppers are liars. ‘Rigorous Honesty’ in steppism means ‘lying till your pants are on fire.’ I'm not even going to quote any passages from the Big Book as an example....point less......its ALL lies or cult nonsense
An AA meeting begins with lies.....”Rarely have we seen a person fail blah! blah! blah!”
……..and ends in lies "keep coming back it works it works it works etc etc" (chanted whilst holding hands like a bunch of Infant school kids or adult loonies)
And regarding the old-timer stepper guru's.....its lies all the way through the cult indoctrination session.
A stepper true believer wouldn't know the truth if it bit 'em on the Arse (Ass) LOL
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
patti
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 15:55
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Becket you lie all the time!
Becket you lie all the time! Of course you are lying about not being an as cult member!
patti
alkieanon
Sat, 08/04/2012 - 20:04
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To See If The Grass Is Greener On The Other Side
To see if the grass is greener on the other side. Looks like it's brown and dead. Or "burned up" by a wild fire. LOL!
NoAAUK
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:58
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patti
"If life is so grand with aa why are you, clara, becket & the other trolls here on this forum every single day?"
Because they are trying desperately to hinder the truth coming out about their lying, scaremongering, predatory, death cult.
Somebody emailed this to me this week:-
"Thank you thank you thank you THAAAANK you for potentially saving my life, the lives of my 2 close friends (1 is in AA, the other in OA all this same stuff would carry over to OA, NA, etc!), the lives of the patients of my doctor and therapist and who knows who else if all those people spread this info to anybody who might enter AA/OA/NA/etc!!"
They are talking about a link to the Orange Papers and also Stinkin Thinkin archives and More Revealed which I emailed to them.
The truth is coming out and that is why the stepper trolls are on this forum every day, to try to hinder the inevitable emergence of this truth.
2 Million odd hits on the OP the other month? The beginning of the end of the stepper cults has arrived…..and they know it
Good will always triumph over evil
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
patti
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 20:45
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No aauk
No aauk
I know they are in a constant state of tizzy to desperately try to defend their cult! They are so out of touch with reality that they lack any awareness that they are hurting their cult by walking the stepper walk in writing! That's my favorite part! That they document their aa lunacies in writing. That they lie in writing & then deny & lie their written & documented lies! Ha Ha! No serenity @ all documented day after day in writing @ an anti aa forum. Its priceless! And definitely the cult takes hit after hit especially by the stepper members.
patti