Clara Takes Her Act To craigslist

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Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Thu, 08/02/2012 - 10:55

Naltrexone < DesertQueen > 08/02 10:35:05

It's been very interesting to read these posts as I know Gunthar from another forum, where he is even worse mannered towards AAs than he is here. I am rather surprised to see the addition of the SMART program because he's always promoted Naltrexone as his savior from alcohol. Despite my own success with AA, it doesn't work for a friend of mine, and I recommended he check into Naltrexone and consult with his doctor about it. Since I live in a border town and cross into Mexico for more favorably priced medications, I had posted on the blog that I would be willing to get Naltrexone for my friend, who is also uninsured, if my friend's doctor was on board with it. Naltrexone is not a stand alone therapy and is to be used in conjunction with counseling or a support group, hence, Gunthar's involvment with SMART.

Instead of getting kudos for doing as most AAs do (recognizing that there is more than one path to sobriety) and offering the information to someone that might benefit, Guthar turned about face and ridiculed my interest. I have discoverd principles before personalities to be a good thing long before I ever joined AA, but this man would rather take BACK his positive message than to ever agree with an AA on anything.

I am glad that he promoted this site on *****edited*****, where he led a call to arms so that the members there could come and "set these people straight." It's primarily an anti-AA site. I notice only one did, Rainbow, who now claims that she owes her sobriety to Naltrexone, too. How funny. She's never mentioned it before. But due to this site, I discovered that Gunthar has a very good military record, is an atheist and apparently a homophobic, and that he tweaks his information to suit his audience. Given his attacks on me in another forum and the lengths he goes to to abuse women, this was actually a site that bordered on theraputic for me. Thank you, Gunthar!

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:55

dup

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causeandeffect

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:27

Nobody asked Gunthar to disengage from this site except for maybe you, danny bennison. And Ben hasn't been on here much for a very long time. BTW, your writing is still giving you away. Work on it a little harder, danny.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:49

He was just here this morning, C7E. Ben pops in to watch "the fun." Just because he doesn't always post doesn't mean he isn't around.

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Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:07

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:48

Not really. I introduced myself with my blog name and where I lived. I've been on some blogs for years. The point wasn't to disclose a real name. It's never been the issue that it is has been here, PIE. I'm not the one bringing info here and then asking for more information. Why is it that you would ask but then call someone names for answering?

I guess McF's advice on RFR.com was good. Have a specific email just for these types of things. It never occurs to me to do thinks like that. It also never occured to me that there would be so much attention on one person.

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Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:08

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:03

Why should I stop typing on any forum, PIE?

NONE of my men have ever looked alike. Interesting how some people have a type. I have a friend whose son is really attractive and is always bringing hom the same girl, different name, but the same girl.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:33

PIE, it doesn't matter what I post under. You put my email address out there for view even if you didn't intend to. I don't care that you would display an email of mine, but you were trying to make it appear as if I was disclosing something I wasn't. I was new to the forum and I asked if you were in AA.

But the point is that you are trying to make one person responsible when that isn't the case. I'm not making you do anything. What a shame that this scorch and burn Clara approach isn't working, and then all you do is bring back yet something else that we give time to here on OPF. Which, of course, you then complain over... Meanwhile, the hits keep coming.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:39

Jesus Christ, clara. All she said about your PM was, sarcastically, it was so informative, or something to that effect. In other words, she was saying there was nothing of interest in your email. And there wasn't. It was you who claimed she had no integrity if she didn't post it. So she did. You never said one word that she shouldn't post your email address. And after she did it, you said you had posted your email address on the site anyway, so it was no big deal.

So she did what you asked and now you never want to let it go. It's the craziest resentment I've ever seen. And we all know if she hadn't posted it, you would have never let that go either. And now you claim that you received threatening emails as a result from somebody you had sent to prison. But you are the one who has brought all the details of your life here. You are the one who posts your photos. If I was scared of anyone in cyberspace, I'd not show my photo, or tell people where I currently live, or where I've lived in the past or any other detail like that. SOOOO, I don't believe you for a minute that anybody is out to get you, although I have no doubt you have many people who dislike you intensely, because you are purely obnoxious. You are just crying wolf and it's obvious.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 12:54

Well, I guess I would have to ask about what is so informative about asking if someone is in AA? It was at the same time that she was trying to allude to Trisha that people were conversing about her, and I never did that. I had posted my email when I first got here and was immediately PMed by someone that it wasn't a good idea. I deleted when it had been up for three minutes. It's not a resentment, just a fact, as well as even PIE never let any information she could be privy to go by, so who is she to suggest what, to whom or why I shoud post?

Never said that about the emails. You are again adding details of your own. It is a wonderful feeling to no longer be afraid of anything, Cause. I didn't post family or personal photos that appeared on Facebook. Now... who were those people? Surely you can name one, C&E... It isn't me bringing off forum stuff over here. The culprit was determined and I am not concerned about someone many time zones away. But it was still wrong.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:18

Oh clara, yes you did. You've said several times that you received threatening emails. You said you had some guy put away for 16 years and alluded to some kind of mystery and intrigue. And I don't believe you. You are just making shit up, just like you always do, and just trying to manipulate PIE into feeling guilty for simply doing what you asked her.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:23

I did not say that. No one went to jail. Perhaps you should talk with Avo because you are confused.

You don't have to believe me. Read her own posts and reach your own conclusion. Look at your own behavior. You have certainly tried to manipulate things so that you could reveal something you knew. Too bad that it never affected my life and you discovered I also didn't care if it was true.

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Persephone In Exile

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:09

Why would I feel guilty?

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:43

Naw, Avo was trying to do that. That was still jsut a weird remark.

And I am not suggesting any guilt, just 'splaining to Cause.

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Persephone In Exile

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:11

What I find interesting is that you claim to be hiding from someone who might be dangerous to you, yet you run around showing your real picture(s) and writing up your address history. Either this guy isn't real, isn't dangerous, or you really don't understand how web searches work.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 14:07

Yes, she did. She was trying work in the name of the street.

In any case, the person is question isn't particularly computer literate, and until Conan was trying to post my facebook, my own name never appeared at all on any blogs. My photos only recently were close enough to possibly identify me, and my appearance has changed over the years. The emails were merely a prank from a frustrated blogger that cannot dominate me, and I don't consider someone time zones way from me to be a real threat. I also was able to lookfor the one person I was concerned over, and he isn't in much of a position to do anything anymore, either. That wasn't always the case, though. Nothing from Annapolis would be any secret to him, anway. The episode had postive outcomes.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:02

"Still, that wasn't me bringing over my remarks from other blogs."

A whole new site was created to get away from you because you snipe at people who are struggling in their recovery. You can't leave well enough alone. You continued to read RFR (even after you were banned)and report about people's struggles and problems here. You did this againandagainandagain. Now you act like you are the victim when the tables are finally turned against you. You've gotten exactly what you asked for clara. Actually, you could have gotten a whole lot more.

And nobody gives a rat's ass about these people you are stalking, other than the fact you are stalking them. We don't care about their lives and who did what to who.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:12

So go over there, Cause. What's keeping you here? You keep saying that againandagainandagain. What makes everyone from there come back over here beyond to "have some fun" since it is so Lennon Sisters vanilla? Has Ben done done the squirt and jerk he references as his new tag line?

I've never been banned because I never belonged, C&E. It was just interesting to discover that even in your own venue over there, Clara is still the topic. I don't have to be there.

As for other forums, PIE asked a question because of what JR brought over from another blog, and I answered it. If you don't care, you don't have to read it. She apparently had some interest and I answered. No one asked Gunthar to bring the forum here, but he did.

No one has turned any tables. They've simply revealed themselves to be what and who they are. despite that they are your friends, perhaps you should put principle BEFORE personalities. It really does help. You might discover their own behavior, and your own, isn't very clean.

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Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:22

Did you refuse to sign their court card? Did you get in the middle of a divorce custody suit because the father was upset about his child being around the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous filled with sexual perverts and rapists from the jails and prisons recruited during "correction committee" prospect hunting trips?

Was it an online attack that you seem very good at doing? Did it have to do anything with that couple in Pennsylvania you were stalking to protect the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous? Please do tell Clara. Who is your next victim going to be?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:25

I think the best solution is to send mandated persons to RFR.com so that Rainbow can "sign" their cards.

I never sent anyone to jail. And there is no couple in PA.

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causeandeffect

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:22

Clara, you have no principles and you don't even know what one is. It's you who first put personalities before (any kind of decent human) principles. What a joke.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:26

C&E, you choose the company you keep and you can change it all with your index finger. You don't have to read my posts or to respond to every one. Look for your part.

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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 20:20

So if we go by what you are writing about here, PIE. The Orange Papers Forum would never gain any new members because what has already been said here is none of their business. BS! If you have a blog or site and you go public with it, in essence what you are advertising, is you do want any and all opinions.
Clara, has stated many times, she is an avid blogger.

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Sat, 08/04/2012 - 15:57

" You always act as if negative reactions to your posts are some bizarre coincidence or the fault of the other person."

A reaction, negative or positive, is always the responsibility of the responder, not the source. Otherwise you are claiming, "You made me feel that way!!" Wrong. The responder always has a choice: react, respond, ignore.

If you don't like what Clara is sharing, ignore it. Same goes for the wimps who have to chase her across five mental continents to try to engineer what Clara's saying.

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Fri, 08/03/2012 - 06:31

You are really a sick person for toying with Annie online Clara. Is that what the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous in El Paso or Folly Beach believe in? Stalking people online to have "fun" and disrupt their lives for your sick little pleasure?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Clara

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 10:17

Annie is no victim, JR. She was simply upset when people would rally against her behavior toward a newcomer. At first, it wasn't even about Allison, just that she was a newcomer and that anyone would want to set someone up so that any confidences shared could be used to save Annie's online clubhouse. Allison's ex-husband of 7 years tried to use her AA membership against her in a custody hearing. While he got that out her (acting as his own attorney) wih a motive to shame her, it backfired on him because it isn't shameful to admit you have a problem and go get help for it. The judge found for her.

I have no clue what your obsession is with Folly Beach, but I have no connection to it. Ironic that you would blame me for something when you don't even care if what you pass on is truthful information or that people don't seem to think there is anything wrong with YOUR online activities.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:00

Be sure that you know who you are talking about before you accuse anyone of anything they might not have done.

As far as my service goes... Fuck you.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:14

I am sure that people with enough computer savvy can do just about anything, but this is you, Gunthar, and you know it. You also have set it up that you get the responses to your post sent to you via email, or you wouldn't have known to respond to it so promptly. You did post it to RFR.com and others have seen it. Apparently, Rainbow was the only one that went there to claim that she too used Naltrexone to get sober, yet she's never posted that anywhere else.

"This jig is UP" Barney Fife.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:15

But the homophobic remarks come from a mimic.

I have nothing to be ashamed of, Clara. I post what I believe, in order to help other people.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:20

I am sure that you do, Gunthar. I am sure that we both do, but why was it necessary to bring it here? I think you did it to try to slur me, but I would really care about it. While you don't have anything to be ashamed of, although I think blaming God for a gay child is pretty heavy, I don't understand how you can be there yet come here and do just what you are accused of...

Why not just permit people to post as they will?

Good lord, I just heard about thirty clicks into my inbox...

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:27

The homophobic posts were a mimic. That means that they were made by someone who chose a handle close to mine, but not mine. Those posts were obviously made by someone trying to mimic me.

Here are the posts you are talking about... They were not made by me...

sdo Mine too except I'm tired of thinking about < Gunthar039 > 2012-06-13 15:21:27
hairy chested thugs spooning my son and putting their wee-wees in his pooper and then flipping him around to lick the poo-poo of their tally wackers. It's a disgusting choice and the naltroxone isn't stopping him. He's in the homo cult and I can't get him to stop.

unk It's my son that's the < Gunthar043 > 2012-06-29 17:43:37
pooper poker and I'm perfectly ok with it you homo-phobe. He tried women but choose boys to swap spit with.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:33

No, those are not the ones I am talking about because I haven't even seen those. I went to the time period from when you posted the call the arms on Recoveringfromrecovery.com. forward.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:36

I love my son, and we get along well. Why would I ever write something like that about him?
You just don't get it do you? Those posts that you are trying to pin on me were made by a mimic pretending to be me.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:49

SUUUUUURE, Gunthar, just like my sister never ever in her life ever posted anything when I was already logged onto a site.....

Isn't it perhaps possible that everyone could give others the benefit of the doubt?

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:54

I get along well with my kid. It doesn't matter to me whether you believe me or not.

Besides... You are just trying to stir up shit. Is this how you practice AA principles in all of your affairs?

The facts are these...
1. You cannot link to the alleged post where I supposedly invited members of one forum to flood another forum.
2. The homophobic posts on CL were not by me.
3. You are a clammy old washed up skank who has nothing better to do than get your ass kicked all over the place on an online forum every day.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:04

Sir up shit? I have just spent the past few minutes laughing so hard, my abs hurt! Must have needed the workout...

Who started this forum HERE, Gunthar? Not content to just respond there, but dragged it over here. Who posted the site at RFR.com pleading for support in putting those people straight? Yet I started shit? Seems I EXPOSED shit.

I didn't even know you had a son. But the people I know in AA report happier marriages, marriages that were once doomed for divorce court, and intact families.

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Persephone In Exile

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:12

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:33

Once, PIE. It will also be the last. There is nothing to Gunthar's suggestion that the kids of AAs are more or less screwed up than any others.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 13:35

that AA members seem to hate their children.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Ironic

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:16

I've also noticed the dysfunction of AA "families." I feel bad for the little kids at those meetings. The teenagers as well

patti

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:09

I've noticed aa members seem to hate their children also. It was exhausting to listen to them whine & complain about their kids basic needs @ meetings & how their children were interfering with their sobriety. And steppers were & are definitely brain washed to put the cult before family! Unbelievable! Also saw multiple aa members throw their kids & families under the bus to have sex with other married members. It's weird, weird & ugly little cult world. It's upside down world where no sense makes sense if your a stepper & brain washed!

patti

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becket

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 09:09

Jumpin on that hate bandwagon, eh patti?

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 14:59

Gunthar, in all fairness, of course I know people do that sort of thing because it happens here, and I got it the first time you posted it. When I explained to PIE that I hadn't made the posts she laughed over, she didn't want to believe me. How often have things that I have posted been mixed up and reblended until it no longer resembles truth to suit someone's purpose? You've done it to me yourself. Bear in mind, though, that on the craigslist, those posts have your very own fingerprint and much of the content are things you've posted here. I don't think people were mimicing that.

Why did you find it so offensive that someone read that post at RFR? It was there, and I've had people tell me they saw it there. Why did you choose to bring it back over here, and in a manner that wasn't intended? You were suggesting that I lied about your link when you know I hadn't.

I agree that our families should be off limits. Always did. But that also includes mine. It seems that you don't mind using the dirty tricks. You just mind when they are played on you. I didn't bring up your child, ever.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:02

http://www.orange-papers.org/forum/comment/50604#comment-50604

Right there Clara.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Clara

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 15:46

No, Gunthar, look above at posts before mine. You are the one that brought posts over here that I hadn't even seen. Look right there. I am sure you can see it.

The one I found didn't even address the gender or whose child it even was.

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becket

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:59

You take any good thing and shit down its throat, Gunderd. Why?

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live_free_or_die

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:13

What good thing are you referring to judge?

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becket

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 09:13

Does the word "any" convey to you meaning or context, flop? "Any good thing" means, literally, some good thing, a piece of a good thing, a part of a good thing, a bit of a good thing, or a whole good thing, a complete good thing.

Any good thing. Get it?

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live_free_or_die

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 13:32

My apoligies judge becket. I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Since you aren't sure either I'll just let go this time.

Now, Gunthar only shits down the throats of bad things. Get it!

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 12:02

Wow. How pathetic. I think we have another Danny in training.

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