Have any of ya looked at the OP Usage Statistics lately and noticed the growth in the past year?
http://www.orange-papers.org/webstats/
Over 1000 more visits a day from a year ago.... and from 50k to over 80k more in monthly totals.
Hmmm.... how soon will someone pop in and challenge THAT data too?
They'll be wanting a fourth party double-blind independent controlled study to be conducted in a sterile clinical environment to back it up. Otherwise..... it's just utter nonsense dontchaknow?
JR Harris
Fri, 11/18/2011 - 20:16
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Moore's law and growth of anti-AA movement and the Orange Papers
The growth of the anti-AA movement and the Orange Papers seems to directly correlate to Moore's Law on the speed at which information is being processed and delivered. According to Moore's Law everything should double in the time span of about three years corresponding to the level of growth of the processing power of the platforms in use to disseminate this information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
A very good current example of the speed that information is starting to be disseminated in 2010 can be inferred by looking at the Alcoholics Anonymous North East Region murder in Lewiston Maine in area 28 that took days to filter into the various pro and anti AA forums a few months ago. The shooting in the head of a pregnant woman picking her husband up at an AA meeting by a court ordered AA attendee in the Baldwin park Pacific Region Area 05 was distributed much quicker and reached many forums, including many addictions counselor sites that never reported the Lewiston incident.
Have you checked Google lately?
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
istj04
Sat, 11/19/2011 - 08:55
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More about who is getting on-line as opposed to computer "speed"
The "exponential growth" of how fast a web-site's information is accessed probably has more to do with the number of users finding and accessing any given web-site, vs. how fast a computer gets them to it.
I would argue that a web-browser like "Google" is more responsible for the explosion of growth on this forum, then how fast the mHz are in a computer's processors. Considering the number of "antiquated" computers people are getting on-line from (e.g. any computer over 3 years old!), speed of access doesn't seem to enter into it.
Orange
Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:54
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Higher statistics
Yes, the numbers just slowly keep ramping up. Now the traffic is consistently over a million hits a month. It's been a long slow steady climb for years. There is a cycle to it — the numbers dip down during the summer when everybody is out playing in the sunshine, and climb during the winter, when people are trapped indoors, and for some odd reason, peak in March. But right now the numbers are exceeding March's numbers, so the traffic is increasing again.
And guess what the consequence is? I receive more requests to run banner ads for treatment centers.
Oh well, have a good day anyway.
live_free_or_die
Sat, 11/19/2011 - 16:25
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Another consequence
Where I can I buy some Orange Papers T-shirts? Made in Japan, of course (like Deep Purple)
It would seem to be the natural progression of things.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Amour013
Sat, 11/19/2011 - 17:34
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Shhhhhh....
Shhhh.... don't tell nobody, but I've secretly got a marketing plan in the works.
Bumper stickers, window decals, ready-to-hang pictures of Orange and Carmen, Jewelry, Trinkets, Keychains, Buttons, Lighters, Orange "Cigarette" Papers and Coffee Mugs (these last two will appeal to about 99% of the members) as well as a multitude of other sundry items. Oh..... and T-Shirts..... gotta have T-Shirts. Our T-Shirts will be Made in the U.S.A. and available in a variety of colors. We anticipate that Bright Orange will be the big seller though... not "Made in Japan" Deep Purple. (that sounds like a good name for an album though!)
We'll be making "Non AO" announcements regarding availability of these items before the Geese and Pony Show ends..... just after we finish pushing our line of printed propaganda. (we give away a FREE copy of the Orange Papers to new members.... whoever raises their hand first!)
massive
Wed, 03/07/2012 - 00:24
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t shirts for Orange Papers
Love it! I'd buy it and wear it.
Massive
massive
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 23:08
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What about promoting non 12
What about promoting non 12 step books from amazon. Some are really helpful. Its your call but I might do it. Books are very important . I mean, I needed them when I was leaving AA and they really helped me.
Massive
Orange
Mon, 12/05/2011 - 15:41
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Non-12-Step Books
That is a good idea. I have no problem with promoting non-12-step books.
In fact, the "Top 10" reading list has several of them:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-top10.html
I'm open to more suggestions. I haven't read all of the good books.
Free
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:18
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Recently ordered 2 books that are listed on your site.
- 'The Culture of Recovery; Making Sense of the Self-Help Movement in Women's Lives' (Rapping)
- 'Many Roads, One Journey: Moving Beyond the 12 Steps' (Kasl)
You say that Kasl has a 'good take on the inherently patriarchal attitudes of AA, and the fallacies of codependency.' The sexism in AA has always made me feel uncomfortable - look forward to reading these texts.
massive
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:35
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Orange- how long has this
Orange- how long has this site existed?
massive
Massive
Orange
Mon, 12/05/2011 - 15:51
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Orange- how long has this site existed?
Roughly 10 years now, in various forms. It started as just a dozen essays that were posted on Apple's web site "A.A. deprogramming". But it kept growing and I kept updating and adding things, so it turned into an entity in it's own right. The funny truth is that I started off intending to just write one essay, like a 30-page term paper, about why it was wrong to use A.A. as treatment for alcohol addiction. It kind of grew.
Here are some links to various bits of history:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters145.html#Apple
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters25.html#motivation4creating
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters21.html#censorship
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-censored.html
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters2.html#Agent_Orange
live_free_or_die
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:03
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Well, if you need to hide money.............
wink, wink ; > )
Oh, I'll take 7 coffee cups and 7 T's as I hate washing dishes and doing laundry.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Amour013
Sat, 11/19/2011 - 21:46
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You'll need to see....
You'll need to see the Treasurer to place your pre-orders after the meeting then..... he handles all the money and can help with your laundering.
massive
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 23:13
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yea and LA Central Office can
yea and LA Central Office can help hide the money too.
Massive
live_free_or_die
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:02
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LA Central Office?
Watcha mean?
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
JR Harris
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:49
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LA Central Office of AA Command structure in 2009
Los Angeles Central Office
4311 Wilshire Blvd #104
Los Angeles, CA 90010
(323) 936-4343
Fax (323) 936-8729
(800) 923-8722 Hotline, Information, Literature
www.lacoaa.org
ALCOHOLIC ANONYMOUS CENTRAL OFFICE OF LOS ANGELES
4311 WILSHIRE BLVD STE 104
LOS ANGELES, CA 90010-3714
EIN: 951890700
Ruling Date: 09/1950
NTEE: F22Z - SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT
ERI NTEE: F22 - SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT
Year IRS Process Date Form Type Assets
2009 03/16/2010 990 Initial Return $319,911
2008 03/23/2009 990 Initial Return $351,877
2007 03/25/2008 990 Initial Return $376,408
2006 03/16/2007 990 Initial Return $298,471
2005 07/18/2006 990 Initial Return $286,714
2004 02/16/2005 990 Initial Return $276,944
2003 02/03/2004 990 Initial Return $268,187
2002 02/21/2003 990 Initial Return $266,614
As of Tax Year 2009
Taxes Prepared by.
Howard J. Levine C.P.A.
16600 Sherman Way #280
Van Nuys, Ca 91406
Mike Hershorn - Trustee
West Hayes - Chairman
Robert Kaplan - Treasurer
Richard Barsumian - Director
Joe Montoya - Director
Bill Simpson - Director
Joe Gibbony - Director
William Kay - Director
Bob Scheich - Director
Alan Takara - Director
Damian Hanlon - Director
Harvey Purgason - Office Manger paid $64,878 in 2009
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
massive
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:36
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Nice work JR! But what do
Nice work JR! But what do they do with the extra cash
Massive
Ironic
Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:58
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Orange T-Shirts
With Carmen on them??
Id buy one.
massive
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:25
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how bought orange t shirts
orange t shirts that say Drink Orange-papers
know the truth...
Massive
grampahaas
Mon, 11/28/2011 - 16:13
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I'm kinda new here.
I think I'm supposed to do service work.
istj04
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 21:51
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OP Forum "Service Work"
Set up a comfortable chair with good back support so that your wrist allow your hands to drop on to the keyboard. Have your favorite beverage at hand in a large cup/glass/tankard/stein, etc. Monitor the OP Forum for 12-Step zealots, recruiters (prospect-hunters), trolls, etc. Launch "keyboard IED's" at their entries. Be as obnoxious as their posts are stupid. Repeat as little or as often as you like.
massive
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 23:12
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Thank God for OP forum
I went "into the rooms" website for just a few days and they flipped out on me. I tried to get pp to sign my petition about sexual harassment literature. WHat fuckers they are in there. I had to report them, then one guy was sexually harassing me. Idiots. I had to deactivate my profile they are so nasty.Isle tried to come and help me but even she got disgusted.
Massive
Clara
Sat, 09/01/2012 - 08:28
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This is what's funny. You go
This is what's funny. You go into the rooms and then complain that they aren't thrilled to see you, eagerly embrace your material, yet they are the fuckers. You had to deactivate your profile because they are so nasty? Did they stalk you, your husband, your husband's ex-wife, her current beau and your own ex, all because you "shouldn't be there"?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
disclosure
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:49
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service work?
Sure is hard to get that aa brainwash off.
I say make an orange colored bumpersticker featuring a triangle inside a circle with a skull and crossbones in the center. www.orangepapers.org in large print off to the side.
That would say it all.
JR Harris
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 11:05
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Orange Papers Statistics Nov. 2011 - hits 1,317,218
I believe this may be an all time high?
Nov. 2011 - Orange Papers monthly totals
Sites - 64,631
KBytes - 110,925,652
Visits - 90,592
Pages - 346,317
Files - 1,172,974
Hits - 1,317,218
I'd say people are looking........................
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
marietta davis
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:04
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People are looking? Looking
People are looking? Looking and leaving?
JR Harris
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:11
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Well, if you use the 5% of AA as a baseline.......
Web Stats to date for 2011 = 11,598,631 hits. I think that is better than the Big Book......................
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Orange
Mon, 12/05/2011 - 16:14
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all time high?
Yes. Lately, each month has been an all-time high.
JR Harris
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 10:58
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I'd like to personally thank the Trolls for the Internet Traffic
Google knows where the answers are! Thank you for your help.
http://www.orange-papers.org/webstats/
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
JR Harris
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 06:45
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Another all time high again THANK-YOU AA Trolls Feb 2012
The Orange Papers has hit another all time high! With the help of our trolls that have received the Spiritual Lobotomy that the con man Bill Wilson has bestowed upon them. The Orange Papers is becoming the "De Facto" source of AA history and AA archivists for the entire Internet connected world by the major search engines! Again we couldn't do it without you!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defacto
USAGE Statistics for the Orange Papers the month of February 2012
Sites 81046
KBytes 145070768
Visits 100518
Pages 389390
Files 1316028
Hits 1497061
Again, keep up the good work! Your feeble minded attempts at "protecting" the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous is helping in its eventual demise!
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
JR Harris
Tue, 03/06/2012 - 21:30
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Well thanks again trolls, March is already ahead of schedule!
We aren't even 1/3 through the month yet and by interpolation we are way ahead of schedule to make sure that the Orange Papers is the most indexed site on AA history world wide!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpolation
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Orange
Wed, 03/07/2012 - 15:55
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Ahead of schedule
I noticed that too. Usually, the daily average of visits is way down for most of the month, because of the goofy way that the host system collects statistics. They record the numbers at around 6 AM, before anything has happened that day. So you always have one empty day being averaged into the numbers, and the average for the current month always looks like it is less than last month's average.
But this is only the 7th of the month, and already the daily average for this month, including an empty day, is higher than last month. I'm not sure what is going on, but I like it.
Clara
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:27
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The information I have
The information I have gathered here has been very good, Orange. I appreciate your efforts. Any takes on medicinal marijuana?
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
JR Harris
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:31
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Why do you ask prospect hunter?
Do you have an ulterior agenda? If you can snatch the newcomer at their first meeting prospect hunter, you are ready to leave. Do not leave any foot prints or anything that can trace you back to AA, remain Anonymous.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
JR Harris
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 19:43
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Well March 8th will prove to be another Stellar Achievement
And we again have to thank the AA trolls. The AA troll Becket has disappeared and calisita has come in to take his place. We will not know until after 6am PST the entire tally, but the Orange Papers, thanks to the AA trolls and the Spiritual lobotomy that they have been given by the grace of god and the adulterous Bill Wilson are way ahead of schedule.
The Danny B, Diablo, Quagmire, Three Amigos, Cuggles, etc... troll is attempting the failed try at claiming that a Pro-AA person is in charge of an Anti-AA site due to his delusional state. Stay tuned for the after 6:00am pst March 9 update on the attack of the trolls that drag their victims behind cars....
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
JR Harris
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:24
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Again - thank you trolls - 31 days in March and 3 weeks left
March 2012 is still slated for another stellar month with your help the stats so far and has 31 days i it, leaving a full three more weeks to make another milestone.
Stats for 3/10/2012:
Sites: 31,598
KBytes: 59,019,474
Visits: 37,384
Pages: 189,872
Files: 524,555
Hits: 636,725
NOTE: To get the projected March totals multiply all values by 4.
Like I said, we couldn't have reached this stage without the apologetic trolls and I thank you. With your help, we can eliminate the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous!
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
AntiDenial
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:40
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Are you missing anyone to
Are you missing anyone to thank? Uh Uhmmmm........ there are many others that contribute to the site as well. Please dont give all the credit to the trolls. Just Sayin.........
Criminals In Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous
www.nadaytona.org
JR Harris
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 21:10
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That is true, I apologize
The poor tax payers of Katonah, NY are also very active in helping with the demise of the NON-TAX PAYING members of the AA faith they are paying for with their TAXES and the pilgrimage spot of Stepping Stones that the AA faith have created.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
becket
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:28
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Where's the fresh meat?
Where's the fresh meat?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
live_free_or_die
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:33
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MArrrietta, just out yourself already
As long as your head meds are mixed right and you continue to play relatively nice Orange won't ban you again. I am sure of that.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
JR Harris
Sun, 03/11/2012 - 20:41
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Any place that the pagan Alcoholics Anonymous meets
Marietta, they usually meet in dark and dank Church Basements. If you don't know where to find them, you can contact any local AA Intergroup and they will be more than happy point you to the best prospect hunting grounds.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
JR Harris
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 19:23
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Again, thank you trolls! We couldn't do it without you!
At the present time the Orange Papers is estimated to generate over 2 million individual hits for March 2012. We thank you in helping to work towards the elimination of Alcoholics Anonymous and the saving of many lives from the cult.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
SPK77
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 09:59
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The OP saved me.
I really hope others can find true freedom and an escape from the cult.
alkieanon
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:51
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Better Yet, Thank Yourselves! You're Just Blowing Your Own Horn!
Better yet, thank yourselves! You're just blowing your own horn! LOL!
JR Harris
Wed, 08/01/2012 - 09:01
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July 2012 is the 2nd highest month for OP internet activity
Jul 2012 monthly totals
Sites 71,114
KBytes 134,704,911
Visits 105,878
Pages 651,370
Files 1,597,187
Hits 2,036,425
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Orange
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 15:58
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2 million
Yes, 2 million hits for July, in the middle of the Summer Slump. It will take off in the fall, when people stop playing in the sunshine.
I wonder what the count will be next March, which is the usual peak month.
alkieanon
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 19:44
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PPC Model?
PPC model? Terminal uniqueness? LOL!
Clara
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:08
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Yippee, Orange.
Yippee, Orange.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Gunthar2000
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:14
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Yippee!
A million and a half of them were Clara! LOL!
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
Gunthar2000
http://www.expaa.org/
alkieanon
Fri, 08/03/2012 - 20:44
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It Wasn't You?
Over 50K? LOL!
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