Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps

god® I love the stuff.

The Christians are condeming AA. LOL.

“Do not seek out mediums and spiritists; do not seek out and be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)

http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-st...

Author Richard Burns, better known as Dick B., has been churning out books and articles on the alleged Christian origin of Alcoholics Anonymous for years. The prolific author has written Anne Smith’s Journal, Dr. Bob and His Library, and many, many others. Regrettably, in his nearly thirty books Dick B. has never acknowledged the influence of spiritualism upon the creation of the 12 Steps.

His books, however, have deeply influenced the Body of Christ. People frequently justify A.A. attendance with statements like, “Well, Alcoholics Anonymous was originally Christian.” Or, “The 12 Steps are based on the Bible.” A common misconception is that one or both Alcoholics Anonymous cofounders, Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith, were Christians.[1] (Read)

In A.A. circles the cofounders are affectionately known as Dr. Bob and Bill W. Promoting one of his more recent titles, The Conversion of Bill W., Dick B. writes, “It’s an account of the many ways the Creator seems to have touched the life of Bill W. and, through him, the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous.”[2]

The title alone gives the impression that A.A. cofounder Bill Wilson came to Christ. It is certainly true that Wilson was used powerfully and spiritually—but not by the God of the Bible. Wilson, in bondage to spiritualism, communed for decades with unclean spirits. This should be of paramount concern because Wilson was not only the cofounder of Alcoholics Anonymous, but also the man who wrote the 12 Steps.

Because there are so many movies, television shows, and novels glorifying communication with the spirit world, many in the Body of Christ may be unaware how fiercely the Lord our God forbids attempts to contact the dead.

“There shall not be found among you…a medium or a spiritist or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11, 12)

Why does the Lord declare people who do such things “detestable?” Because they have turned to a spiritual source other than the Lord God. This is a clear indication of a complete lack of Fear of the Lord. In addition, it is never the dead that are contacted but, rather, deceitful spirits posing as the dead. These spiritualistic practices therefore simultaneously disrespect the Lord and place those who undertake them at risk.

Examined over several decades, it is clear A.A. cofounder Bill Wilson repeatedly and willingly gave himself over to familiar spirits. A.A. historian Ernest Kurtz notes, “So profound was Bill’s immersion in this area that he at times confused the terms ‘spiritualism’ and ‘spirituality.’”[3]

“As for the person who turns to mediums and spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My Face against that person and will cut him off from his people.” (Leviticus 20:6)

In PASS IT ON, A.A.’s official biography of Bill Wilson, Lois Wilson recounts some of her husband’s experiences of 1941. Saturday was generally the scheduled day for these psychic adventures. “Bill would lie down on the couch. He would ‘get’ these things. He kept doing it every week or so. Each time, certain people would ‘come in.’ Sometimes, it would be new ones, and they’d carry on some story.”[4]

So, “every week or so,” Wilson would open himself to this entity (or entities), and “certain people would ‘come in.’” Today this is known as channeling. Author and A.A. apologist Dick B. has written of Wilson’s spiritualism, but gives it no emphasis as a factor in the origin of either A.A. or the 12 Steps.

Writer Matthew J. Raphael is far less coy. A member of Alcoholics Anonymous himself, Raphael observes, “it might be said for the cofounders at least, A.A. was entangled with spiritualism from the very beginning.”[5]

Raphael explains, “Wilson himself seems to have been an ‘adept,’ that is, ‘gifted’ in the psychic sense; and he served as a medium for a variety of ‘controls,’ some of them recurrent. ‘Controls,’ in the lingo of spiritualism, are the discarnate entities who seem to usurp a medium’s identity and literally speak through him or (far more usually) her. Sometimes a control answers questions; sometimes a spirit seems to materialize.”[6]

One of the most beloved pieces of 12 Step literature is the collection of essays, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, written by Wilson in the 1950s. This popular book is often called, simply, the “12X12.” While working on it, Wilson exchanged letters with Father Ed Dowling, a Catholic priest Bill often looked to for advice. In his letter of July 17, 1952, the A.A. cofounder informs Dowling he is receiving help with the book from the spirit world.

Wilson writes, “One turned up the other day calling himself Boniface. Said he was a Benedictine missionary and English. Had been a man of learning, knew missionary work and a lot about structures. I think he said this all the more modestly but that was the gist of it. I’d never heard of this gentleman but he checked out pretty well in the Encyclopedia. If this one is who he says he is—and of course there is no way of knowing—would this be licit contact in your book?”[7]

On July 24, 1952, Father Dowling responds, “Boniface sounds like the Apostle of Germany. I still feel, like MacBeth, that these folks tell us the truth in smaller matters in order to fool us in larger. I suppose that is my lazy orthodoxy.”[8]

In his August 2, 1952 letter, Wilson writes back, “…the spook business is no longer any burning issue as far as I am concerned.”[9] But then, Wilson casually mentions, “Without inviting it, I still sometimes get an intrusion such as the one I described in the case of the purported Boniface.”[10]

Bill Wilson, without knowing it, was paying the price for reaching out to unclean and lying spirits. The Lord had “set My Face against” him. (Leviticus 20:6) The Lord, who is a consuming fire, had found Wilson, ever the rebel against Christ, “detestable.” (Deuteronomy 18:12)

To some, this was long evident. Henrietta Seiberling, the woman who first introduced the A.A. cofounders to one another in 1935, had likely been aware of Bill Wilson’s unholy activities for years. While she had never particularly liked him, her July 31, 1952 letter resonates with her horror and disgust over his spiritual descent.

She writes of Wilson, “He imagines himself all kinds of things. His hand ‘writes’ dictation from a Catholic priest, whose name I forget, from the 1600 period who was in Barcelona, Spain—again, he told Horace Crystal he was completing the works that Christ didn’t finish, and according to Horace he said he was a reincarnation of Christ. Perhaps he got mixed in whose reincarnation he was. It looks more like the works of the devil but I could be wrong. I don’t know what is going on in that poor deluded fellow’s mind.”[11]

“And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper…” (Romans 1:28)

According to PASS IT ON, Bill Wilson considered that “spiritistic matters were no mere parlor game. It’s not clear when he first became interested in extrasensory phenomena; the field was something that Dr. Bob and Anne Smith were also deeply involved with. Whether or not Bill initially became interested through them, there are references to séances and other psychic events in the letters Bill wrote to [wife] Lois during that first Akron summer with the Smiths, in 1935.”[12]

Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob engaged in these practices starting in 1935. The 12 Steps were written in 1938. PASS IT ON actually raises the possibility that Wilson may have been introduced to these activities through Dr. Bob and his wife, Anne. Perhaps so, but it is clear all three were participating in séances (and other activities) during the same period they were involved with the pseudo-Christian Oxford Group. This is significant because the cofounders’ attendance at Oxford Group meetings has long been misrepresented as evidence of the Christian origin of Alcoholics Anonymous.

For those who have not read Dick B.’s books portraying the 12 Steps as Christian, Dick B. works very hard to show Bill Wilson’s biblical influences, his reliance on Reverend Sam Shoemaker, and so on. Since Wilson was not a Christian himself, Dick B. for years presented a “12-Steps-are-Christian-by-osmosis” approach.

In the last few years, however, Dick B. has decided to portray Bill Wilson as a Christian!

Francis Hartigan was the secretary for Lois Wilson, Bill’s wife, for thirteen years. He had many conversations with Lois about Bill. He writes, “[A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson's] belief in God might have become unshakeable, but he could never embrace any theology or even the divinity of Jesus, and he went to his grave unable to give his personal idea of God much definition. In this sense, he was never very far removed from the unbelievers.” (Bill W., by Francis Hartigan, pg. 123) (Bold mine)

Here is how PASS IT ON describes Bill Wilson and the arrival of the 12 Steps. “As he started to write, he asked for guidance. And he relaxed. The words began tumbling out with astonishing speed. He completed the first draft in about half an hour, then kept on writing until he felt he should stop and review what he had written.”[13]

According to PASS IT ON, Wilson asked for “guidance” as he began writing. But guidance from what? The unsaved Wilson was eager to receive messages and leadings from the spirit world. We see this in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.

We see in the 1940s that Wilson allowed unclean spirits to speak through him. We know from Wilson’s 1952 letter to Father Ed Dowling that the book, ‘Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions’ was influenced by a spirit called Boniface. How many more, then, of Wilson’s books and articles were demonically guided? Some? None? All?

One thing is certain. It is virtually impossible that a man engaged in practices the Lord finds so “detestable” that He promises to “set My Face against that person” could have been given these 12 Steps by Jesus Christ. (Deut. 18:10-12 and Lev. 20:6)

T.A. McMahon, Editor of the Berean Call, writes, “A.A.’s official biography indicates Bill Wilson received the details of the 12 Steps through spirit dictation. Does anyone see a simple, idolatrous problem here?”[14]

McMahon then addresses the well meaning effort to offer “Christ centered” 12 Step support groups. “But what about evangelicals just using the methodology the familiar spirit gave to Bill Wilson? Simple again: God condemns the source, and the approach is contrary to the way He wants to transform our lives. Furthermore, why turn to such a spiritually toxic system? Where are the evangelical pastors’ heads in this?”[15]

The evangelical pastors’ heads have been in books by Dick B., books which tend to downplay or ignore the many anti-Biblical ingredients that went into the simmering, sulphurous creation of Alcoholics Anonymous. In this article we have been examining spiritualism and the 12 Steps. We could just as easily point out A.A.’s other aberrant roots: the New Thought heresies, the swiss-cheese theology of the Oxford Group, Dr. Bob’s Masonic background, or even the dangerous meditative practices of Oxford Group/early Alcoholics Anonymous.

Okay, then should Christians even attend groups? Absolutely. We call them “Bible Studies.” A strong church can do much to help alcoholics and their families. Bondage to alcohol is no light thing. Our mistake has been to seek worldly and unholy solutions, even attempting to “Christianize” them, rather than relying on prayer, the Word of God, and the fellowship of the saints.

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And to think that billy w thought of himself as jesus reincarnate. LOL.

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alkieanon's picture

And so it starts ....

becket's picture

Why is that a great idea? If someone finds they haven't accurately conveyed what they want to, or that there is something misspelled, why should they not be able to correct it? You're a rigid little nazi, aren't you?

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Conan's picture

Now I've heard it all. The edit button withdrawal was done solely because of the pro-AA posters constantly changing their posts. You want someone to blame? Look to Danny. He is the reason it happened. The reason I agree with it is that it maintains the continuity of a thread. If someone responds to a post and the original post is the dramatically changed, the whole meaning becomes confusing. Better to accept a few typos than destroy the flow of a thread.

And bucket, the resident grammar/spelling Nazi, will always be on hand to tell people how wrong they are. Me, a Nazi? What a joke.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

becket's picture

I'm not looking to blame. I would just appreciate having the function restored.

You a nazi? Yes. Rigid, dogmatic, self-serving, applause-seeking, ideological, bigoted. Yes, btnben, YOU.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

No it means you can flood any blog you want unfettered.

Clara's picture

You mean like the ones where you call Becket a bitter miserable t-word? You'd done it under BOTH names, Ben.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die's picture

Seems there are some specific thangs the church has to say about talking to deasd people.

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becket's picture

"Is billy w in hell?

Seems there are some specific thangs the church has to say about talking to deasd people."

That would depend on which church you're talking about. Be specific.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

alkieanon's picture

More opinions?

live_free_or_die's picture

called a recess.

Yeah, apparently some christians say AA is heretical. I think it is funny. LOL!

Christians are allowed to have their own opinions, right alkie? even if they are anti-AA?

Is that ok with ya alkie? LOL!

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becket's picture

"Yeah, apparently some christians say AA is heretical. I think it is funny. LOL!"

If you think it's so funny, identify them and explain why they believe it's heretical. And then explain why you think it's funny.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

http://mywordlikefire.wordpress.com/tag/bill-wilson/

A whole website dedicated to the heretics of AA judge bucket. This website indentifies itself LOL. The website explains why AA is heretical. LOL.

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becket's picture

Can you ever speak for yourself in your own words? Or do you live your life continually glomming onto others' work and coat-tailing your way to a third-generation philosophy?

It becomes clearer every day that you cannot think.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

it is called third-party confirmation of information. I happen to think AA/12 steps is horseshit.

Apparently so do some christians out there.

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becket's picture

I've not asked for a "confirmation of information." All you have provided is an agreement with someone's opinion.

Does it really matter if there are some Christians "out there" who believe AA/12 steps is horseshit? There are Christians who cannot stand oysters, some who think Joe Namath was gay, some who actually support women's reproductive rights. So what is your point?

You failed to 1) explain why anyone, particularly you, thinks AA is heretical, and 2) explain why you believe this is uproariously funny. Your LOLing doesn't convince anyone that you even have any idea what a heretic is.

You can't answer a question straight-up because you have no answers. You don't even have general concepts in place.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Clara's picture

It might be good to look into Alcoholics Victorious, a Christian oriented 12 step program founded in 1948.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

live_free_or_die's picture

A Fellowship of Heretics.

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Pennywise's picture

Becket, if 500 year ago someone said that you could pick any god of your understanding and have it perform miracles for you, the church would have executed him in a very brutal manner for heresy.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

Your point? Have I said that God performs miracles on demand? No. Do I support heresy? Yes, sometimes. Why are you asking me this question? Is it because everyone else answers with pat bullshit?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Pennywise's picture

I did not ask a question. I was explaining why the 12 Steps are heresy (i.e., they allow you to pick whatever god you wish.)

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

becket's picture

I apologize: why, then, are you directing this point to me?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Pennywise's picture

Because you mentioned that LFOD did not explain why the Steps are heretical.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

live_free_or_die's picture

...if you believe in God.

No explanation was, or is, necessary. For a thinking man.

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becket's picture

I was attempting to get "LFOD" to support his own blathering, but he obviously cannot because he knows nothing of standing by his word. Now you have gone and done it for him. I hope he appreciates your support.

I remain assured that he has no idea what he's talking about.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

oh lord. My world has been shattered.

Is he still gay judge?

being gay once upon a time was a disease. Somebody told me that. Now its not. LOL!

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NOT AA:
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http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

live_free_or_die's picture

LOL!

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http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
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http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

Bill W. has to be in hell, where else would one find Satan? and I agree with Orange, AA is far more like the church of Satan than any Christian group I've seen...

alkieanon's picture

To hell and back. Are you going to check it out to be sure? Audie did.

becket's picture

Well, for one thing, Satan can be found above ground. This is not an invitation for you to bludgeon me. It's just an observation that I don't think you would disagree with.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

Well judge, I will have to go ahead and disagree with you. My observation is that satan does not exist.

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becket's picture

I don't know whether Satan exists or not, but on the hypothetical, in responding to the previous poster, I suggested that Satan, or evil, does exist above ground. Sorry if you didn't get that.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

live_free_or_die's picture

Well then, judge beckit, does good exist above ground? Are angels in the outfield?

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becket's picture

live_free_or_die:

You are evil above ground. Like a wrench in the workings of any conversation, you get your rocks off by manipulating discussions. You deliberately misinterpret ideas so you can further misrepresent what others have written. You disallow choice for anyone but yourself and those who "confirm your own branded information". You mock people who try to examine issues. You cannot formulate a theory or a philosophy without making every facet of it an object of ridicule. You are fearful about allowing anyone to see who is behind your absolutely laughable handle! live free or die - really?! - you can't know freedom because you will not allow for anyone else's freedom. You shamelessly co-opt "Women For Sobriety" in your tag at the end of every post, to make yourself appear worldly and open-minded and progressive, when in truth the only thing you bring to the table is sadistic jeering of women who have achieved sobriety in a different way than you have. You are a poseur, with no balls, no insights, just bullshit fueled by hatred. I don't think you're even bright enough to know why you hate people, but it must be easier for you than trying to understand why it might be better to at least allow them the courtesy of choosing their own life course for themselves.

You are a disgrace, with no discernment and no vision. It's all a game so you can participate by flooding the screen with fluff. You are as unreal and uninteresting as your posts. You have chosen to misidentify me on what by now must be a hundred occasions, you have twisted my words and my intentions beyond the point of belief, you have actually turned my posts inside out to ratify your ridiculous, sophomoric notions. Good does indeed exist above ground, but not within you. There is no money, no prayer, no good wish on this earth that is ever going to turn that around. I don't care how you have managed to live with yourself. I just wonder why you have chosen such an empty mission.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

causeandeffect's picture

What a long winded projection. You have just described yourself perfectly, becket! LOL!

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becket's picture

I'm almost sorry you completely missed the point, causewithouteffect.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Gunthar2000's picture

You have nothing better to do than argue with a bunch of people who don't want you around.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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becket's picture

How much is pity worth?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Conan's picture

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

Bill W. has to be in hell, where else would one find Satan? and I agree with Orange, AA is far more like the church of Satan than any Christian group I've seen...

alkieanon's picture

To hell and back. Are you going to check it out to be sure? Audie did.

live_free_or_die's picture

A true hero. I wonder if he drank.

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http://bereanresearch.com/
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http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

Clara's picture

I understand that he didn't but that he suffered post traumatic stress syndrome after the war and became addicted to sleeping pills.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Ironic's picture

Clearly a satanic nazi.

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