Sex offender and Felon, Jafford Demont Smith walks away from pre-release AA meeting in AA Area 40 Missoula Montana -June 28, 2012

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Submitted by JR Harris on Wed, 07/18/2012 - 09:41

Convicted Sex Offender and felon Jafford Demont Smith walked away from a pre-release AA meeting believed to be being held at 127 E Main Street above the school of Massage in AA Area 40 of Missoula, Montana.

Man walks away from Missoula Pre-Release Center

Posted: Jun 28, 2012 6:54 AM by KPAX/KAJ Media Center

MISSOULA- Missoula Police are asking for your help in finding a felon and registered violent offender who walked away from the Missoula Pre-Release Center.

Police say Jafford Demont Smith failed to return to the center Thursday and was last seen attending an Alcoholic Anonymous meeting on Main Street.

Witnesses say Smith left the meeting early and was last seen wearing a white T-shirt, dark pants and a New York baseball cap. Smith is around 6'2" and 250 pounds and has tattoos on his hands and neck.

He was serving a five-year sentence for theft and failure to register as a violent offender. Anyone with information about Smith is being asked to contact police.

Smith was sevring a sentence for theft and failure to register as a sex offender

Source: http://www.kpax.com/news/man-walks-away-from-missoula-pre-release-center-6...

Montana Alcoholics Anonymous Area 40 meeting list for Missoula: http://www.aa-montana.org/index.php?city=Missoula

First reported on: http://nadaytona.org/2012/07/17/violent-sex-offender-alcoholics-anonymous-...

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SandyB

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:23

He's an example of the power of AA

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JR Harris

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 10:48

Normally a pre-release prisoner has very few options of where he will attend his AA meetings. Do you think it wise that he was going to one above the School of Massage? Did the students at that location know that he was in attendance in the same building? (Actually, it appears that they have moved and are next door on an adjacent street and the AA website directing people there may be in error)

http://www.montanamassage.com/

Do you think the facility and students should have been notified when sex offenders are attending meetings near them?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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live_free_or_die

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 08:03

A letter or email campaign to judges, prosecutors, school boards, school principles, PTO's, churches, state governors, city mayors, parole boards, etc, to either let them know sexual predators are being mandated to AA/NA meetings in their area or to let powers that be that we are watching this insane practice of sending known violent criminals and sexual predators into areas where innocents await.

For example
Swimmer charged in sexual assault gets felony conviction
http://www.pleasantonweekly.com/story.php?story_id=8305

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DeConstructor

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 13:46

with some interesting tattoos. "Trigga Man" tattooed on his right hand. Perhaps he left to get his certification to be a drug and alcohol counselor.

https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bin/conweb/conwebLookup.cgi?docid=3004273

aasux

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 14:51

He's like maybe 1 of 2 or 3 black dudes in Montana. Shouldn't be too big a manhunt...
yeah, a sex offender meeting at the school of massage. what's next, the Sandusky football camp held at the jr. high?

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avogadno

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:06

I'm glad I don't have to worry about running into him at an aa meeting anymore.

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alkieanon

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:49

Probably sitting down having a Big Mac at a McDonald's somewhere. LOL!

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alkieanon

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 05:51

"... walked away from the Missoula Pre-Release Center."
"Police say Jafford Demont Smith failed to return to the center Thursday and was last seen ...."

4. AA does not "keep attendance records or case histories". Hmm, sounds like a job for law enforcement.

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JR Harris

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 06:54

Do AA members sign "Court" or "Probation" cards for criminals sent to the rooms to attend the ritual chanting of these organizations? Simply, yes they do and quit trying to find an AA loophole. By signing those cards AND being instructed by the Alcoholics Anonymous Interchurch main office that they can with a loophole of "if you want" doesn't cut it.

For more on this discussion, see" "Alcoholics Anonymous "suggestions" from the Interchurch on signing Court Cards (SMF-177) What AA does/Doesn't Do" http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1601

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alkieanon

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:48

Do court systems release prisoners? Rehabilitated and ready to be re-integrated back into society?

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JR Harris

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:40

The court system and more specifically the probation and parole departments release prisoners to the community control of the cults of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA) all of the time. In very current news residents near Morningside Recovery Center in Newport Beach California have been up in arms because of the number of court ordered clients they have and

Judge Sheila Fell Authorized to revoke Morningside Recovery's agreement for failing to provide information on the number of parolees and probationers at each facility and various other violations - June 22, 2012 http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1750

Residents of Lido Isle, Newport Harbor, California are trying to stop the growth of Morningside Recovery Center. http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1749

Does this look like a "Nationally Renown" Alcohol and Drug Rehabilitation Center? Another look at Morningside Recovery in Newport Beach California http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1748

Lebanon Township in New Jersey upset about proposed Drug Rehab Facility opening - July 2012 http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1993

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alkieanon

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:31

JR Harris whines: "The court system releases prisoners to AA and NA". No. The court system releases prisoners back into society. Attendance at AA or NA are just conditions for that release.

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JR Harris

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:42

Julie Bronson San Antonio TX gets 180 days jail, 10 years probation, 2 AA meetings/week for DWI seriously injuring 18 month old - July 17, 2012 http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1987

Kernersville, North Carolina woman Kaitlin Smith Slater, 24 convicted in Hit & Run Death - July 17, 2012 - After her release she will be expected to attend Alcoholics Anonymous for 3 years and do 100 hours of community service. http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1984

So you are saying that the court systems don't release prisoners to AA and NA?

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becket

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:40

Court cards were not always signed even 20 or 30 years ago. If a coercee showed up for a 5:30 meeting at 6:25, usually the chair in my meetings would not sign the card. So what are you saying, JR Harris? That the chair was doing something wrong? That AA was doing something wrong? I contend that the fucking CRIMINAL is the one who did something wrong. It's not AA's responsibility to babysit anyone, ever.

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Clara

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 08:16

I guess I don't understand your point. How is AA responsible for the whereabouts of this man?

And some AAs do not sign cards and some groups do not support the practice by group conscience.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:04

Because this dude should have been in JAIL. Not at an AA meeting with unsuspecting people, maybe even young girls forced there for DUIs or something.

AA also makes outrageous claims of effectiveness, and actively promotes themselves to society as a cure all for all of society ills. They refuse to actually talk about how effective they are....Ask Bill from Sunrise Detox.

AA cultivates a culture of anonymity to an extreme, to the point of endangering the rest of its congregation by not identifying, or even assisting law enforcement in these types of situations.

What SHOULD have been done, was a clear warning to others at the AA worship service, and statements taken from everyone in attendence to being a witness to this felon, and a questioning if he made any statements to where he may have been headed. Better yet, cameras should have been in the AA rooms since felons were there, and the State of Montana was using the AA program as free correctional service.

Security video from the meeting should have been headling every local news broadcast.

I may have to forward this post to my old drinking buddy Brian Schwietzer.

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alkieanon

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:52

Ready to be released back into society from the "Missoula Pre-Release Center."

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JR Harris

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:16

The Court System has been enabled by Alcoholics Anonymous at the Interchurch to be used for community control and build the ranks of the cult. It started with Bill Wilson and has spread. The responsibility now lies directly with Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc. (AAWS) who publish the literature enabling this behavior. AAWS can be held accountable because it taken on the "protector" of its literature with the German and Mexican lawsuits. If it protects the literature, it can be held responsible for its use also, it (AAWS) is considered a stake holder.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:35

The court system is free to do its duty and its resonsibility. Got a problem with that? Sounds like a personal problem.

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alkieanon

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:01

DeConstructor whines: "What SHOULD have been done, was a clear warning to others at the AA worship service, and statements taken from everyone in attendence to being a witness to this felon, and a questioning if he made any statements to where he may have been headed. Better yet, cameras should have been in the AA rooms since felons were there, and the State of Montana was using the AA program as free correctional service.

Security video from the meeting should have been headling every local news broadcast."

Better idea: Take the cameras and agents away from the southern border and put them in Montana. LOL!

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JR Harris

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:31

McDonalds, Banks,train station and even school buses are starting to be video taped as part of security for the general population and it has helped with community control. The Orwellian prophesy of the movie Nineteen Eighty-Four (based on the 1949 novel of the same name by George Orwell) is beginning to come about and the association of Alcoholics Anonymous co-founder Bill Wilson during LSD trips with Aldous Huxley the author of the 1931 novel called "Brave New World" are using the invisible hand of the rehab market and mind control to move public opinion in that direction.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:38

And what is the video being used for (other than YouTube)?

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:48

I think you should take it up with Missoula and how they handle their pre-release program. People are released back into society everyday. It has nothing to do with AA.

I don't think the day will come when there are security cameras in AA meetings, DeCon. Some of these are just not realistic.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:58

But again, DeCon, we are back to the point of one of my groups that didn't sign cards. They were against it because people should be in AA that want to be there, and mandated persons would then find a meeting that would sign cards. A secondary, unintended benefit might also be enhanced safety, but do you remember everyone bitching about Clara, that dastardly woman, not signing a card due to group conscience?

Pick a side and keep personalities out of it.

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DeConstructor

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:24

if this 'meeting' was the last place this escaped felon was, the people in attendence were witnesses to a felony. Each should be giving witness accounts to law enforcement and expect to be subpeonaed and prolly deposed as witnesses when the trial starts.

Of course video footage would be better than (prolly uncooperative) eyewitness accounts. This is another reason for not only AA to stop accepting these dangerous predators into their fold, but they also have an obligation to warn others that these predators are hunting in the rooms.

We may be able to make some hay about this regarding forced and coerced participation and conversion to the AA faith by court system. However, this is a huge deal for people coerced to AA by private employers, such as was the case in my situation. YES, the coercing employer could be held responsible if they forced an employee to be there as a condition on employment.

The employer carries the burden of ensuring a safe workplace enviorment. Period.

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:45

My apologies, DeCon. I thought you were talking about regular meeting safety and you are talking about catching this particular guy.

But I still go back to that it is Missoula law enforcement that dropped the ball and had the obigation to keep tabs on this guy. They shouldn't be in a pre-release meeting and taking them anywhere that someone from the jail can't attend too in order to supervise. I take it that he was dropped off somewhere.

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RandleO (not verified)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:30

DeCon, do it yourself. Why don't you go into an AA meeting and film the events taking place, why don't you document the injustices you howl about on these boards and why don't you petition the legislators in your state to crack down on the injustice of sending criminals to AA, where the convicts can float around anonymously.
Get out there DeCon, and do it yourself.

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Conan

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:33

You will be out of all chat rooms very soon.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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becket

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:42

That this criminal was not in jail is not the fault or responsibility of AA. You want to turn meetings into Big Brother events? Go ahead, take your suggestions to every Intergroup in the nation. See how far you get.

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avogadno

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:08

"AA is responsible Clara......Because AA also makes outrageous claims of effectiveness, and actively promotes themselves to society as a cure all for all of society ills. They refuse to actually talk about how effective they are....Ask Bill from Sunrise Detox.

AA cultivates a culture of anonymity to an extreme, to the point of endangering the rest of its congregation by not identifying, or even assisting law enforcement in these types of situations."

Worthy of a repeat. Because of their lies, AA becomes a cesspool for criminals with people trying to recover from an addiction. That's how people get hurt.

Is it like McDonald's? That's not close to a worthy argument. Do criminals get sent there? Do they get a discount on big macs? Are there group discussions on character defects?

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DeConstructor

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:48

AA claims persecution (AA bashing, see Bill form Sunrise Detox) when really they should have prosecution.

NO part of a criminal sentence should be secret. I see no difference between this and holding without charges/waterboarding being done at Guantanamo.

Again, people should be reminded that if they are sentenced to AA, they are NOT bound by the faiths traditions. Sentenced people should feel free to disclose who what at any meeting and anything they may have stated. They should feel free to do this in public and also in online postings.

Sentenced people should also feel free to take hidden cam footage in any AA meeting and upload online.

A similar situation is happening now regarding the super secret LDS temple rituals. The world is about to see (tentatively in September)hidden cam footage of one US Presidential contender in full temple costuming vowing to do everything in the rest of his life to serve the LDS church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASF9ZHnJdMg&feature=youtu.be

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:54

Again, I doubt this is going to happen, DeCon. What is the point of uploading a meeting online? It sounds as if you are also taking the side of the sentenced party. Why is that? I thought you were concerned with oeverall safety, not felon advocacy.

This is simple hysteria.

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RandleO (not verified)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:26

DeCon, are you serious? You really want convicted felons taking video equipment into AA meetings and filming people?
Clara, I believe this member just makes it up as he goes.

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Conan

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:30

Everyone' had enough of you. Time for you to leave - permanently.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

RandleO (not verified)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:36

Ben, feeling froggy...lol.

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Conan

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:40

Too many complaints gone in on that IP address. Things are happening.

You dumb fuck Bennison. It doesn't matter where anyone is. If you can insult people internationally, you can be held responsible internationally. Wait and see. Ain't theses new IP addresses great. Scum like Bennison can't hide any more.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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becket

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:58

"Things are happening."

What things? Who's making them happen? When can we see some evidence of "things ... happening"?

This kind of vague, nonspecific claim renders your every post a sham. Let's see you put some details onscreen or vanish. Take your pick.

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:09

Orange doesn't care who Danny. So what?

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Orange

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:16

Actually, I do care. Randle O. is history. And I deleted the posts to slander on Fornits.
But Danny probably will try to come back under another alias.

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:28

Who started fronits? I couldn't get through the language enough to even find out what people were posting over...

If you care that he's Danny, that is one thing, but he wasn't doing anything that some regulars do on this blog. It surprised me that people with link up to other sites, but then become mad when you read them. If he is blogging from the same IP, that should be simple to remedy.

I don't really care that people visit BDSM sites on the sly. The dungeon in DC is very busy...

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Conan

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:36

It's a specialist AA site. It's been established for a few years apparently. Just like the doctors and the lawyers group, there is a AA BDSM group. An easy target I know, but the temptation is just too much.

Can you imagine a large meeting all wearing hood with mouth zips? The "Lord's Prayer Unzipping" is deafening.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:43

I know that, Ben. I hate to give out one of my anecdotal stories that everyone hates, but one of my gfs was a mistress in Baltimore. In fact, it is why I wouldn't rent to her once when I had a vacancy. I read it just fine. But... but WHY would you want to be there? After all the garbage you give any AA that comes here, it seems a bit curious!

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avogadno

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:36

"but he wasn't doing anything that some regulars do on this blog" ~Clara

You obviously haven't been paying close attention or are just picking the similarities/differences that you want to examine.

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Calinda (not verified)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:41

Please, Avo, of all the people who could post on this, enlighten us as to what Randle or DannyB II has done on this site or other sites that compares at all to what you did.
I'll be waiting with baited breath, to see how you pull this off.

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Gunthar2000

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:46

You're not fooling anyone.
Get some help Danny... You need it bad.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Calinda (not verified)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:51

Hey and your an idiot but who cares.

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:20

I paid attention. I also paid attention when many of you did the same thing, Avo. I really couldn't help it nor was I supposed to...

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avogadno

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:34

"Many of you" .... Many of who? He has at least a half dozen alias' that all haved cyberstalked and harassed members of this forum and others. You overlooked that. Who has the same?

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Clara

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:46

Avo, I think you know the behavior isn't just limited to Danny. Ben created the Conan persona to do the same thing and posted lies about another blogger being wanted in Maryland. You've posted photos that didn't belong to you in an attempt to do what? Fortunately, my stalker is someone residing thousands of miles from me and no real threat. I thought it was someone else and am just grateful that it isn't, so I can be a good AA and can forgive a poor lonely soul.

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Conan

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:50

Bet you had a face like a slapped bum after being told off by Orange - TWICE.

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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