Chelsea Carmona takes on Tampa Bay Florida with "Why AA's one-size approach doesn't fit all" July 16, 2012

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Submitted by JR Harris on Mon, 07/16/2012 - 03:28

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From all corners of the globe, people are starting to realize that something is "just not right" with Alcoholics Anonymous. The US market for the goods and services that the Recovery Industry Cartel spawned from the 12 Steps that Bill Wilson promoted to Wall Street has taken off as a capitalist money maker to teach people to chant Bill Wilson at $1000 a day prices and is going through a feeding frenzy in today's depressed stock market. The frenzy is seeping into the political mainstream of not only the past and Presidential hopefuls of the US (Such as Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich) but even the English Parliament with Iain Duncan Smith attempting to send anyone that has lost their job and on assistance to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous where they are taught to find more"prospects" to feed the frenzy.

Chelsea Carmona is now taking on Tampa Bay Florida, the breeding ground of Straight, Inc. and Melvin Sembler in Saint Petersburg, Florida who has still managed to escape from legal prosecution through the help of political "friends" of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and has spread the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous to Australia where it is doing the same thing there. Carmona is a "Special to The Washington Post" but has chosen Tampa Bay to publish "Why AA's one-size approach doesn't fit all" which has been running the circuit in many of the media outlets and I commend her for the choice of this market controlled by http://www.aatampa-area.org/ and http://www.aapinellas.org

Why AA's one-size approach doesn't fit all
By CHELSEA CARMONA | Special to The Washington Post
Published: July 16, 2012

http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/2012/jul/16/naopino2-why-aas-one-size-a...

NOTE: this new release is just in time for the Alcoholics Anonymous 56th State Convention at Innisbrook Golf and Spa Resort, Palm Harbor, Florida Aug. 1-5, 2012!

http://56.flstateconvention.com/

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 05:28

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-aa-fails-to-support-young-add...

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 10:55

The Tampa Bay Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is home to two competing cults, Scientology devised by L. Ron Hubbard and Alcoholics Anonymous devised by Bill Wilson. Both of the founders are dead, but both are considered a cult by certain factions of the global population. One of the usual excuses that is used by AA members as a loophole and minimization tactic is that the "prophet" is dead, so it can't be a cult, but they always forget about Scientology whose founder is dead and is also of the same species of "confession cult" and brainwashing.

For the current list of problems with Scientology in Tampa Bay Florida (Clearwater actually, also note this page was started in 2009 and is being updated continually and has current 2012 stories)
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/

Also see the February 2012 story of a public charter school in Clearwater, Fla. that appears to have links to Scientology - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/florida-public-charter-sc_n_130...

Again alkieanon, you failed to "dig deeper" and tried to use the "old news" minimization technique of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous. This story was written because of the area and paper it was published in, it is a different target market.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:31

Again JR Harris, you failed to prove any sort of meaningful association and tried to use the "one size fits all" rationalization technique of the clan of AA Haters. This story is simply a re-publication regardless of the target market.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:45

Are you saying that Midtown in Washington DC is what is expected in AA meetings anywhere? Well if you are, thank-you for your confession....

Midtown Group: AA Group Leads Members Away from Traditions

July 2007
From Sunday's Post, Page A1
By Marc Fisher

When Kristen was 17 and drinking out of control, her psychologist referred her to an Alcoholics Anonymous group that specialized in helping the youngest drinkers. In the Midtown Group, members and outsiders agree, young people could find new friends, constant fellowship, daily meetings, summer-long beach parties, and a charismatic leader who would steer them through sobriety.

But according to more than a dozen young people who structured their lives around the group, the unusual adaptation of AA that Michael Quinones created from his home in Bethesda became a confusing blend of comfort and crisis. They described a rigidly insular world of group homes and socializing, in which older men had sex with teenage girls, ties to family and friends were severed or strained, and the most vulnerable of alcoholics, some suffering from emotional problems, were encouraged to stop taking prescribed medications.

Kristen, now 26, said that for eight years, she was "passed along" from one middle-aged male leader of Midtown to another. She said her sponsor urged her to have sex with Quinones -- widely known as Mike Q. -- as a way to solidify her sobriety and spiritual revival. Kristen, who spoke on the condition that her last name not be used in keeping with AA traditions, also recalled helping to persuade other teenage girls to sleep with older men in the group......

Read more: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/07/midtown_group_aa_group_...

You may also be interested in: Singapore Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous (SLAA) Produces 40 Questions for Self-Diagnosis July 2012 - http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1978

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:06

Are you saying that Midtown is in Tampa and anywhere else in the world? Well if you are, thank-you for your fantasy ....

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:17

I'm highlighting a different target market and Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) that Chelsea Carmona is entering in Tampa Bay Florida. I did not repeat the article she republished because it has been discussed before. I am just point out the differences, not the similarities of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and it will be interesting to see the comments, Especially since the Alcoholics Anonymous klan in Florida is having a big shindig and prospect hunting story swapping party at the Alcoholics Anonymous 56th State Convention at Innisbrook Golf and Spa Resort, Palm Harbor, Florida Aug. 1-5, 2012.

I can be talked into highlighting the similarities not the differences between the cult of Scientology and the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous if you wish. Heck I'll even add the differences, because there aren't many........

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:20

The Tampa newspaper picked up the news article after it was published in the Washington DC newspaper. Again, there is nothing new.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:28

There must be a reason, wouldn't you say....... "take the cotton out of your ears and put them in your mouth" and sit on your hands and keep them away from the keyboard! You're breaking the traditions of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous (and providing a great example of it).

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:38

Slow news day? Keeping up with the Jones? Sloppy seconds?

JR Harris whines: ""take the cotton out of your ears and put them in your mouth" and sit on your hands and keep them away from the keyboard!" There you go again. Trying to be the wannabe "Big Orange" and telling people what to do. Or trying to be the narcissistic censor of OPF.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:59

No actually they are proven AA slogans, I was trying to talk to you in a language you understand. Those slogans are the "special language" of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and universally used across all of the variants of Bill Wilson chanting. It even works in this variant - "Singapore Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous (SLAA) Produces 40 Questions for Self-Diagnosis July 2012" http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1978

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:19

42) Do you get "high" from 3 million hits? Do you crash when you don't?

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:23

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2012/0706/Seventeen-magazine...

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:22

Chelsea says: "I was 20 when I attended my first Alcoholics Anonymous meeting." Open or closed? Enquiring minds want to know. LOL!

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JR Harris

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:01

"See your [wo]man alone, if possible." BB p.91, Working With Others

Why does it matter if it's Open or Closed meeting alkieanon? You just said they are all the same? Following the words of the dead prophet, womanizer and adulterer Bill Wilson?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:10

To complete "... the rest of the story".

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:24

Of course you are searching for another AA loophole alkieanon. It doesn't really matter much, from what I hear all Scientology meetings are considered closed, but people escape from that cult, just like they do from the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous.

For an example of people escaping form a cult just like Alcoholics Anonymous in the UK target market of that cult see: "My escape from Hubbards' mad cult - John Duignan" http://exscn.net/content/view/60/103/

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:32

Of course you are presenting another story with plenty of holes JR Harris. It doesn't matter much, from what I hear from all of the OPF conspiracy theories.

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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:51

Your running out of arguments alkieanon. Maybe you should go to an AA meeting and "look for the similarities, not the differences" and quit being in DENIAL.....

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:12

You're running out of gas (laughing) to keep this bogus story going JR Harris. Maybe you should go to another AA Haters blog/forum and "look for the differences, not the similarities" and quit being in DENIAL ....

Free

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:23

JR and Alkie, I realise you're none too fond of each other, but you do have your research skills in common. Has anyone ever suggested you join forces on something you agree on? The bonus for you Alkie, would be that you would no longer be using your powers for evil. Just a thought ...

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alkieanon

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 22:36

Who gets to be Spider-Man or Wolverine? LOL!

Calinda (not verified)

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:58

Only JR Harris can take an obscure opinion posted in a comment section by a young lady who is disappointed that AA will not meet all her wants and try and sensationalize it. Fabrications, hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, JR-The Illusionist and so on.......