First Things First Deleted All Its Posts

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Submitted by live_free_or_die on Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:07

A true picture of a coward.

FTF is a true 12 stepper.

That is, it is insane.

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:12

Coward, hater, insane?

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=64J17y8nRv8

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avogadno

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:18

LOL lfod, just good old fashioned confusion. "Fake it till you make it" or be "rigorously honest".. What suggestion should they take today?

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Clara

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 08:12

They all have been doing it since Sunday, Alkie.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:40

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:40

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:54

I ain't never deleted any posts of mine, or anybody elses.

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Clara

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 13:01

I never suggest you did, LFOD.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 13:08

CLar: "They all have been doing it since Sunday, Alkie."

The IT being deleting posts. "All" usually means everbody, in the context of your statement.

Oh well, have a good day now.

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avogadno

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:07

Oh you wish. By the way, thanks for link of Danny's blog. Sincerely! Although he has since deleted it (stepper coincidence? lol) it did provide for interested information.

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:24

Deleting Posts?

Coward, hater, insane?

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JR Harris

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:43

Before the narcissist First-Things-First deletes "its" posts again.... like the typical Bill Wilson chanter and low moral character "it" is.

http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/2115

Orange-Papers 2012, a telling synopsis for the newbs.

published by First-Things-First on Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:19

The record holder for comments on a blog here in 2012 is a blog on March 3; it had 558 comments. The topic was about all the trolls on this site, specifically naming two people. People that merely shared different views from what this site preaches. As such, they were targeted and gleefully hated on.

Second biggest in 2012? May 15, it was a very negative anti-A.A. blog. Again, hate mongers gathered in glee. Anybody opposing that view . . . targeted and hated on. Totaled 555 comments.

3rd was a blog I posted, July 7. Basically pointing out the fallacious anti filled arguments people had against A.A. I had just heard about this site a couple of days prior. Again, people gathered with gleeful hate. 446 comments. Since then the largest commented blog (209 comments) is about how I deleted my comments; much name calling, hate spewing, etc. towards me. I quickly realized that there is no logic here, merely A.A. hate.

I came here because I was hoping to receive positive alternative view(s). I understand A.A. is not perfect nor, is it for everybody. I say to each their own, whatever can keep you happy and sober. However, the major view here is not so open. It is merely negative anti-A.A. Anything which supports any anti-A.A. view keeps the cogs on this site greased and going. Anything in contradiction is viewed as cancer with blinded and unquestioned prejudice, regardless of the logic; and then there's the childish name calling: steppers, Wilsonites, the cult, etc.

Most have vowed to ignore me now. Which has made my visits here much more pleasant. I was seriously considering not even visiting; but it does contain an occasional good alternative view and much entertainment from the senseless logic, more than anything.

Just a little informative. Have a nice day : )

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LisaMarie

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:57

JR Harris, is stalking and harassing another member again. This time it is a member by the name of First Things First. All one has to do is read throughout this site and you will be able to see the amount of stalking and harassment JR Harris does to members that do not agree with what he believes. The owner of this site Orange, doesn't even behave like JR Harris does.

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becket

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 10:09

A "narcissist" would not delete his own posts. You are incorrectly using the term again. First Things First has made an excellent and telling point about the prevailing attitude on this site. You don't need to try to defend the behaviors of the AA haters, JR Harris, because they are indefensible.

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YuppieMonkey

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:18

I just posted this on his his higher power thread 2 seconds ago.

"Our slogan spouting troll here is already losing it. Reminds me of the time Soberman went thru all of his old posts and cut and pasted something into all of them.
Can't remember what he wrote..." -YuppieMonkey

"You'll pay to know what you really think". - J.R. Bob Dobbs

patti

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:17

Yes & First things First did more for this anti AA forum by deleting his posts. First things first represented the typical stepper emotional state scared & worried that he may have written words that could have harmed the AA cult. Deleting his posts was cold hard evidence of how First things first lives in stepper terror & lacks adult characteristics such as being his own person & having the ability to stand by his words & lacking any courage or fortitude whatsoever & being a coward. Typical stepper. This is exactly what AA does to its members being told what to think, feel, act & do results in self doubt, not being your own person, not standing on your own & regressing into a childish coward. Too late, he is copied & pasted all over the forum & in the few days he was here many people particularly current AA members starting to deprogram read FTF's insanity & cult speak & validating words that AA is an insane environment & that steppers left their minds & mental & emotional health in the rooms. FTF validated that AA is not what we want & validated to the wavering AA members that getting out for good will be a healthy & sane decision & choice.

patti

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:31

patti
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 09:17
"Yes & First things First did . . . "

Bullshit 101.

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:40

patti

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:21

The absolute most priceless thing that FTF shared was that he is not sober & that AA did not work for him! LOL. Simultaneously a devout & brain washed true believer stepper & a drunk! FTF sure validated that AA is ineffective @ helping quit an addiction but is proficient @ brain washing that small 3-5 % that buy into the billshit once in a while. That he is not sober was copied & pasted onto this forum. Priceless!

patti

First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:41

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avogadno

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:13

True Patti, according to First T-F ,AA works! But not for him and not in years. Hmm, something wrong with that picture. He just can't get sober using the serene program to which he spread around this forum. Must be opposite week here, I see no humility or "love" in his posts...Oh, and he's definitely using an alias, I've seen his trolling style before. Good job Patti you have been tearing through their billshit real well :-)

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:36

I thought I understood FTF to say that the problem staying sober was on his end, not on AA's end. That fits well with the "it's a personal choice, we are not powerless" bit, does it not? Maybe he's just made a choice to drink intermittently. That's another thing that is highly supported on this forum, the theory that alcohol-dependent people can stop drinking and then drink with absolute control. This, too, would indicate supremacy over powerlessness. So what are you grousing about?

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Ironic

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 11:45

The fact that if you are a stepper, you don't believe that you can drink with absolute control. That goes against everything AA stands for. Since FTF is clearly a stepper, he calls himself "dry," that shows that he doesn't believe that he has control, he believes that it is a matter of time before he loses control again.

There's nothing wrong with believing you can drink successfully, but this dude doesn't believe that. He believes that he is powerless.

First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:41

Calinda (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 15:38

"The grousing is about. The fact that if you are a stepper, you don't believe that you can drink with absolute control. That goes against everything AA stands for. Since FTF is clearly a stepper, he calls himself "dry," that shows that he doesn't believe that he has control, he believes that it is a matter of time before he loses control again.
There's nothing wrong with believing you can drink successfully, but this dude doesn't believe that. He believes that he is powerless."

Ironic can we get an itemized list that explains what exactly is a stepper? What constitutes "dry"? Finally, please let us all know how you can be such an expert on FTF?

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becket

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 17:27

Why does that matter to you? It seems there would be things more important and more pressing in your world than that. You read like a tattling four-year-old.

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:32

patti
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 09:21
"The absolute most priceless . . . "

Bullshit 102.

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:25

I believe that First-Things-First was talked too by his Sponsor or another grand wizard of the Alcoholics Anonymous faith and told to knock it off. It may have even reached its AA Intergroup level. It is very doubtful that it reached the Interchurch level on 475 Riverside Drive in New York and appears he was handled by mid-level managers of the cult.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:35

Interesting thought there JR.

Perhaps FTF was put into time out. LOL.

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:41

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:29

I was in cell block C.

Did we know each other?

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:42

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:38

.

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:42

disclosure

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 07:04

Big Brother was watching...
All any of us should remember is that there are endless methods of support including the Flanigan method (just don't drink, stop it).

First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:42

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 07:13

Well I realize you will "modify" the above post like all sick evangelists of the AA faith First-Things-First. But this was mainly just a training exercise and we thank you for your help. You used the usual slogans and excuses in your deep denial that AA is a cult. But you crumbled under the overwhelming amount of data showing you are in a cult and brainwashed. Thank you for playing.....

Why would you think YOU were manipulating US?

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Calinda (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 15:42

Like your buddies G2K, Avocagno, Pennywise, disclosure and yourself do on a daily bases. JR, you actually set the tone for deleting posts, then came G2k and the rest. So please one more time get off your soap box, nobody cares.

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JR Harris

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 15:47

Please get help..... somewhere......

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 07:13

I am.

That step 2 didn't take for you yet, did it? Insanity.

Try the 12 steps again my friend. This time give it your all. God will save you. LOL.
http://www.12step.org/

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:43

gigi

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 13:02

I haven't been able to get the chorus of this song out of my head since FTF jumped on board.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 09:06

The insanity isn't general insanity, LFOD. I can certainly look back and see that my alcoholic behavior wasn't normal in any sense of the word. As I pointed out to Penny in an earlier post, I doubt I would have met the legal standard for mental defect or would have been diagnosed as crazy by a clinician, but to continue in a lifestyle that was clearly so compromising WAS insane.

And most of us did it in some form and didn't see anything wrong with it until we got out of it.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Conan

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 09:12

You weren't insane when you were drinking, but you fucking well are now. Get bak to the bar if you want to preserve your sanity!!!!!

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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becket

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 11:43

"STOP TALKING WOMAN"

I bet this approach gives insight and confidence to the women in your life.

Thanks for that burst of inspiration, Conan/btnben.

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Conan

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:01

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
An inflated sense of self importance; and extreme preoccupation with one’s self.

What do I do???

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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becket

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 11:44

Leave.

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btnben

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 11:50

Still running the show bucket...lol

God damn it, get me a whiskey

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cindee33

Fri, 07/13/2012 - 11:01

Hope things are going good for you. You do have a great sense of humour. Nice to see you although I rarely frequent here, I remember you being kind to me a few months back. Thanks for that.

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Conan

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 12:08

You talkin to me?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jpP55MCn8aM/TQoXuLUNfdI/AAAAAAAAAts/7zSDhqoc7Fo/...

Danny is currently "Rachel" - watch out folks, he's learned how to use a spell checker...lol

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