To The AA Members Who Frequent This Board

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Submitted by Gunthar2000 on Sun, 07/08/2012 - 13:49

Why do you come here?
If you know that this is an AA critical website, what is your purpose for being here?
I know that I come here to interact with like-minded people who have either left AA, or are in the process of leaving AA. It wasn't easy for me to leave AA with all of the suggestions that I would either wind up in jails, institutions, or dead. Interacting with people who have had the same experience as I have validates my experience, and helps me to erase years of learned helplessness and self doubt.
Why in the world would you want to interfere with the deprogramming process?

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First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:10

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live_free_or_die

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:33

or, to paraphrase, how many "character defects" do you have.

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JR Harris

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:16

You are one sick dude! Is ""If it's strong it won't die" what you say when you bring prospect back to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous for indoctrination?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Sue

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 09:45

Im trying to recall which step teaches you that rattling peoples cages on an anti-aa site, is a part of recovery. Hmmmmm, very strange behavior!!!
May be just a suggestion?

Sue

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:02

I was just thinking; Maybe "Rattling Cages" falls under step 12:

"Carrying the message" ?

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:10

Sue

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 10:28

May be just a character defect that you need to work on. How is step 4 going??

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:10

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:53

How many suicides have made you smile FTF?

patti

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:10

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:28

"Interacting with people who have had the same experience as I have validates my experience . . . "

" . . . the misinformation and disinformation that is promoted, marketed, and proslytized by the anti-AA faith . . . as medical fact."

Two reasons I visit the OPF.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:31

FTF,
have you ever been the survivor of a suicide death? Please be advised that members of this forum are survivors of suicide victims. Please be advised that members on this forum have friends & family that have been tragically & irreversibly harmed by AA & NA. You might want to consider what people have endured & suffered before you come to this forum to have some "playful fun". Hate is a powerful emotion usually caused by intense tragedies & huge losses. You may want to consider some common decency & some common respect when you come to this forum & some common sense. You have evaluated & judged all members of this forum as haters who hate for reasons you have determined are not valid. You know nothing & are assuming a lot. You are presuming & it is ignorant. Please go find somewhere else to rattle cages. Learn & practice some manners & common courtesy & respect. You seem to think you are cute, there isn't anything cute about suicide or dead addicts & dead addict kids & brain washed cult members & coercion & manipulation & exploiting. Really, grow up & get a life or take a class in manners & appropriate behavior.

patti

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:55

There is no exclusive honor about surviving someone's death by suicide. I have survived deaths of friends by suicide and don't attach any particular significance or merit or veneration to it. This is a new low for you, patti, playing the suicide survivor card.

Every single individual who chooses to commit suicide does not do so within the context of the 12 steps. Look around if you can. You're the one who could use a little maturity on the subject, patti. You need to quit co-opting the act of suicide as an exclusive response to participation in AA. And keep in mind: suicide is a choice. The only person, place or thing responsible for death by suicide is the person committing the act.

"Get a life"? "Take a class in manners and appropriate behavior"? "You know nothing"? A trip to the mirror might do you some good, patti.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 14:19

with the AA preaching that you are powerless and your life is unmanageable and you need to do all the steps and god will fix crap. AA is just bad voodoo that claims magic will happen if you work all the steps and work a rigourus program. When it doesn't work for some that buy into the AA voodoo magic they decide to take the final solution. AA pushes some folks to that solution.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 14:04

"Please be advised that members on this forum have friends & family that have been tragically & irreversibly harmed by AA & NA."

I want to read more about the "irreversible" part. And are you suggesting, patti, that every single person on this forum has lost a friend, pal, loved one, boss, or know-it-all-boss-of-everything to suicide or, more specifically, lfop's pet cause, "death by AA"? Let's explore that for a minute.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 14:09

Oh well you are not going to get what you want regarding the irreversible part. Now right that I can't fight when cornered, can't debate, etc., etc. You are well aware of what irreversible indicates & defines. I did not suggest that every single person on this forum has lost a friend, etc. & that was blatantly obvious in my post. You are just bored & being combative. Can't you join a bowling league or something?

patti

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 13:54

that get's you off? Is there some sort of gratification you get from interfering with folks who want to leave AA?

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:11

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:06

that resenting AA, in all of it's failings, could be a healthy experience for those who want to relieve themselves of all of the mental masturbation that AA has to offer?

Again... I have decided to leave AA because I believe that AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism. AA was not helpful to me in my recovery.... In fact, it held me back.

Why would you want to interfere with those who want to leave? I can see that you said that it is a personal failing. Could you please explain exactly what you mean by that?

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:11

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DeConstructor

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:21

because people continue to die from the misinformation and disinformation that is promoted, marketed, and proslytized by the AA faith and their profitable business arm, the recovery industry cartel, as medical fact.

This information is neither medical nor is it fact.

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:57

FTF,
why are you referring to ex AA members as prejudiced? No ex AA member is prejudiced. They have knowledge & experience of AA & have negative opinions regarding AA's ineffectiveness & failure rate. Also they have negative feelings regarding Wilson's anecdotal psycho babble being dangerous & life threatening & detrimental to one's mental, emotional & physical health. In order to be prejudiced knowledge & experience can't exist & both exist here.

patti

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:10

"Isn't it possible that resenting AA, in all of it's [sic] failings, could be a healthy experience for those who want to relieve themselves of all of the mental masturbation that AA has to offer?"

Resentment of AA or anything else defines mental masturbation.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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DeConstructor

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:01

and I appreciate your insight and dedication to continuing the exposure of the fraud of AA and the recovery industry.

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:12

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JR Harris

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:24

Really First-Things-First? It appears to me you are following the instructions of the AA "Book of Shadows" commonly called the "Big Book" published by Alcoholics Anonymous World Service, Inc (AAWS) at the Interchurch Center! It appears to me and most of the people who are reading this realize where your instructions are coming from and it is the AA headquarters in New York!

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:34

FTF,
why do you write a disclaimer in your posts. Worried about the cult getting in more trouble?

patti

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:12

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:12

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:52

You are taking precautions to protect the cult. Just in case you write something here that can bite AA in the ass. Your neurosis you are full of shit & billshit too. You are not in the rooms here FTF. Entirely different audience. Just take a chill? Who are you to tell me or any one else what to do, think or feel? Its not the rooms FTF. Would you kindly respond to my other post about the suicides?

patti

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 14:01

"Just take a chill? Who are you to tell me or any one else what to do, think or feel?" patti, you are a cartoon of an adolescent balking at a suggestion.

I've been here for a while and I don't mind writing something that might bite AA in the ass. There are some things about Nouvelle AA that are quite disturbing. I don't think FTF is afraid of stating his/her own opinion on the topic. Are you afraid of having to respond?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:13

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:18

Together we can bring change to the addiction treatment industry.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:11

How?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:14

istj04

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:08

Exactly WHICH of the 12 Steps explicitly mentions "moral failings"? I am aware of one that mentions a "fearless moral inventory", hence "suggesting" one JUDGE oneself for what MAY BE good or bad actions in ones life. But "failings"? Or as Melanie Solomon points out in "AA Not The Only Way", Step 4 "sponsors" only want you to focus on your "wrongs". What about when you do something RIGHT? (Like stay sober another day!). Why exactly does this "4th Step" focus on "wrongness" "failing", and especially JUDGEMENT?

First-Things-First (not verified)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:14

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 14:00

istjo4,
AA is all about failings, character defects & negativity. Can't be focusing on anything positive & empowering like a members good points & strengths. Cult tactic 101 keep them downtrodden, self doubting, self critical & convinced they need the cult to survive.

patti

disclosure

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:05

I have known you for over two years and have trudged the road of AA deprogramming with you. I value your posts and input. It is always a pleasure to see you on the board, I believe I am here foir the same reasons as you.
Thanks,
Disclosure true believer, ST, OP

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:11

I was just reading some of your posts and thinking about how far you've come.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:12

Praise from the guru, man - you can take that to the bank!

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

disclosure

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:22

I distinctly remember trying to blog with people on ST and being incapable of doing it without the brainwashed AA language. That scared me; I knew that I wasn’t in control. I knew that I was a cultie.

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:25

the better arguments on this board.
I'm glad to hear of your recent departure from the cult. Perhaps sometime you could join us at the recovery from recovery website.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:18

But only in you qualify. Allow your self-controlled recovery to continue doing its push-ups in the parking lot, and one day the guru will invite you to participate on the "real I-hate-AA" forum.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 11:15

Wait - you weren't in control? I have been led down this primrose path for months, with one poster after another saying we are never powerless, and you come here with "I knew I wasn't in control"?? WTF??

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:08

Don't you have somewhere to be? Maybe your own blog/forum?

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:14

To warn others that AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism. I do this because I hope to save just one person the years of mental masturbation and misery that I went through as a member of the AA cult.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

patti

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 13:35

Right on Gunthar & Ditto!!!

patti

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alkieanon

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:57

To welcome others that AA is a treatment for alcoholism. I do this because I hope to save just one person with the possibility of recovery.

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Gunthar2000

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:58

denies that AA is a treatment for alcoholism.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

http://www.expaa.org/

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