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Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:05
how about we start with the fact that they kill people through the training of powerlessness which can and does harm people, as was well documented in the Brandsma and Ditman studies..........
First-Things-First (not verified)
Mon, 09/03/2012 - 04:13
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:21
FTF. I did a post on the Forum about " green eyes ". I'm betting yours are multi-coloured? ( uk spelling).
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:44
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:38
Obviously you are part of the "Dumbing of America" and feeling the powerlessness of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous. Good Job, keep up the good work! Don't forget to go to those meetings that have you leave your brain at the front door!
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:23
of their findings from kens site.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 20:21
A possible explanation, but still fails to support the original claim.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 15:45
Where can you find any official documemt regarding your lying scaremongering predator death cult.
Weve all lost friends in your satanic cult and find you people offensive to say the least
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:46
"Where can I find an official document of that?
Where can I find an official document that states that God removes shortcomings if you do step 7 or that shows that nothing wil so much ensure immunity from drinking as intensive work with other alocholics BB 4th Ed P89
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:28
And even Bill Wilson's own statements:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html#Bob_memorial
Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:31
I believe that First-Things-First was talked too by his Sponsor or another grand wizard of the Alcoholics Anonymous faith and told to knock it off. It may have even reached its AA Intergroup level. It is very doubtful that it reached the Interchurch level on 475 Riverside Drive in New York and appears he was handled by mid-level managers of the cult.
Source: "First Thing First" deleted all of its posts" - http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1893
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:11
AA tries to dodge this fact by proclaiming the twelve steps to be "spiritual."
This is a single lie out of many.
AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:35
are the same thing.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:37
I've never had any bible thumpers try to shove the religion thing down in the meetings.
The Big Book IS a bible.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:39
See, Bill Wilson was not trying to push Christiantiy; he was trying to REPLACE Christianity.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 15:50
"But as I understand it, it's the greater power than your self and reaching a peaceful spirituality. That's what I got out of it anyway"
Same old stepper BS
What about the suicides and sexual predation?
Why can't God miracle you cult zombies to be able to drink normaly, why only stop? Doesn't the stepper God like people enjoying themselves. Does the stepper God just want people to sit around in those weird meetings spoupting the same old crap over and over again like you?
Strange God, this stepper God.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 17:55
"What about the suicides and sexual predation?"
Suicides and sexual predation are not alcoholism or alcohol dependence or flirting with booze or whatever you choose to call it. AA is not designed to address suicides or sexual predation. If you believe it is designed for nothing, fine, but don't call on these hackneyed old warhorses to sell your point. If AA is designed for nothing, then suicides and sexual predation are included under that umbrella.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:51
"But as I understand it, it's the greater power than your self and reaching a peaceful spirituality"
So why does it directly mention GOD in four of the steps and HIM in another step?
And when Doctor Bob battered his daughter with a paddle, is that AA's version of peaceful spiritualliy.....or becket telling us to 'fuck off'?
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 18:07
why aren't you sober? Its you & your greater power team & your peaceful spirituality & why doesn't your dream team keep you sober?
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:14
they found AA indoctrinated people fell harder if they had a drink.
"The AA group showed a significantly greater number of episodes of binge drinking at the 6 month follow-up period than any other group including the untreated control group"
Unlike many studies done by AA, such as Project MATCH, these studies used control groups and peer reviewed statistical collection methods.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:17
I'm not an addict and the steps screwed me up. It was great when I first started Al-Anon and realised that I wasn't to blame for someone else's addictive behaviour. I took it all way too personally, somehow thought I was responsible. Now had I spoke to a group about this aspect I reckon I would've got better quite quickly. It was when I started " working the steps " that my real problems started. I started with a job, mortgage, family, car and ended up as an unemployed dreamer waiting on my " Higher Power " to instruct me on my next move. I've more amends to make post 12 Step than I had when I started it.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 18:23
I am well versed in the scriptures of all three cults and thanks to the Crab Soup lady in El Paso Texas, I am getting very good at Scientology scripture and they are all the same.
"Look for the similarities, not the differences!"
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 15:52
"And I definitely can't speak from an Al-Anon stand point."
Why not, its all the same stepper cult BS
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:24
The 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous popularized by the spiritualist and occultist Bill Wilson is not a "solution" it is a "one day at a time" reprieve for people who fall for the dogma of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous patterned after the the cultist Frank Buchman and the Oxford Group that was kicked out of most respectable churches. The scripture of Bill Wilson dictates that Alcoholics Anonymous is not a "solution", please go back to AA bible school.
As a side note the slogan "One Day at a Time" is proudly displayed at the Stepping Stones compound of Bill Wilson in Westchester County, New York.
See if you can find it: http://www.steppingstones.org/tours.html
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:45
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 18:30
You have been taught well in the sly suggestions of the AA faith, might I suggest you try easier prospects that haven't been hardened to these tactics?
For more on the tactic you are using see - Recruiting mind games of Alcoholics Anonymous - http://orange-papers.org/orange-recruit.html
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 15:56
"I feel you're so full of negativity. Thank you."
What could possibly be more negative than stepper cult BS.
Powerless over a dead plant that has gone past the rotting stage.......and God is going to work miracles for you as long as you go to those creepy meetings and loath yourself.......and if you leave its jails institutions or .........yes wait for it ........DEATH
How much more negativity do you want than steppism
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 17:58
Such a skewed view. Tsk.
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 05:54
Tell a lie enough times and it becomes truth, right judge feckit? LOL.
Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®http://www.expaa.org/http://bereanresearch.com/http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMShttp://alcoholabusesolutions.com/
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:05
That door swings at least two ways, live_fetid.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 17:57
"The 12 Steps are not a solution, rephrase your question"
In the words of my beloved patti, what do you think you are JR Harris, you're not the boss of me & you don't call all the shots here & you are nothing but a control freak & nobody wants you here & & & & & & & &
Is that an order?
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 18:12
being advised you are a control freak sure struck a nerve with you. Lol. I just know, just know, just know you've been told that about yourself a lot!
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 18:18
That would be the first time I have heard of a judge being a control freak.
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:14
Dream on, sweeties.
Step 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:45
Come on you can do better than that! Why not the "it works if you work it!" slogan!
P.S. Scientology also "works it you work it" if it doesn't kill you, just like the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous!
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 18:13
I can't get ANY steppers to answer it either. So you did admit that you were crazy. Ok.
Are you now sane? Did the 12 steps make you sane after working them?
btw, I had no difficulties with the steps. Thank you for answering the questions no stepper will answer.
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:58
"I was insane, now I'm sane".
Did God make you sane and did God also remove your shortcomings?
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:01
"You either buy into it or you dont"
Or you either get coerced into it or you don't
Or you get scared into it or you dont.
What exactly are you buying into, 1930's cult BS?
Persephone In Exile
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:25
Well, the first few steps alone did it for me. I'm not powerless, I wasn't particularly interested in turning my will over to a power greater than myself, and much preferred to restore myself to sanity. That was all possible for me without a higher power, and certainly without the continuation of this instant gratification behavior. Jumping on my every thought and obsessing on it to the point of having to call several people and share it all at a meeting really didn't interest me.
Apologies for not going more into detail there. Trying to keep these posts short.
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:46
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 17:53
"When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him. " BB p.90, Working With Others
Don't you have any jails or prisons to ply your deception on? The Alcoholics Anonymous Prospect Hunting Instructions - Direct from the Interchurch Center in New York http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1629
Mon, 07/09/2012 - 16:06
"How much sobriety time do you have?"
How much tme "problem drinking" did you actually do?
You cult zombies are always boasting about how long you have been in the stepper cults parroting cult BS,
But how long were you actually PROBLEM drinking? The amout of time some of you morons boast about being in the stepper cults doesn't actually leave much time for drinking let alone problem drinking
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:07
Experience and living sober count for something.
Sun, 07/08/2012 - 14:27