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Hi Orange people. I found orange because I was looking for source information on Moral Reconation Therapy and it was mentioned in one of the forums. I am a counselor in a corrections environment, but I don't buy the program hook, line, and sinker. Anyways, I just want to hang out and see what people have to say. If it's welcome, maybe start a conversation topic about MRT. I would be happy to share more about my own journey and my "job" too.

I have never heard of "Moral Reconation Therapy". Please elaborate on MRT. Thanks in advance.

Not sure how the threads work so I'll give it a go, trying not to be repetitive. To be clear, my agenda does have to do with uncovering the roots of MRT, though I'm not totally opposed to it. I am in the midst of reading Inside Scientology, by Janet Reitman. It was there I found that "The Conditions" of Scientology bore an uncanny resemblance to MRT's Freedom Ladder 

http://www.partnersforprogressak.org/files/FreedomLadderSlide.pdf

I have found that they may have a common source, but I'm still doing some research. MRT purports to be based on Kohlberg's stages of moral development, but it doesn't pan out.

I have a graduate degree in counseling and I choose to work in community corrections because I honestly believe I can help people there. I do my best to serve court-mandated substance abuse clients in a daily treatment setting.  The core of our program is MRT.

MRT does not specifically focus on alcohol or drug abuse. MRT focuses on changing one's "personality" from one based on criminal thinking to one based on "higher ethical principles."  MRT is not faith-based and does not have work about a higher power. I think it actually does a pretty good job of presenting people who've been on the street, with a means to examine what they want to base their moral judgments on.

It does require people to complete written exercises and present work in groups, which can lead to personal growth.  On the other hand, its requirements are so structured they must be done by the book, or else clients find themselves in a state of failure. I try to throw people a line, and help them through but I've seen other staff members present it in such a rigid way, that it can be discouraging.

The MRT company, the generic sounding Correctional Counseling, Inc., maintains tight control over training and who can acquire the books. They have other materials, including the relapse prevention workbook, Staying Quit, which my program also uses.

My program DOES require people to attend outside support group meetings once a week, but it does not have to be AA or NA. We actually hosted SMART at one point, and it was open to the community, but it died for lack of interest, in our setting anyway. However, most clients do attend 12 Step meetings to meet the requirement. 

I've kind of gone past answering your question about MRT, but I needed some context.

but can you recommend therapeutic approach that doesn't involve stinking humans?

ps. I have monkey paws growing out my arms. pls hlp

Reminds me of the Linus quote, "I love mankind, it's people I can't stand."

live_free_or_die's picture

http://www.moral-reconation-therapy.com/mrthistory.html
http://www.moral-reconation-therapy.com/research.html

I would be very interested in hearing more about this MRT, Wahig. Specifically, the "job" aspect of it, but also your journey as well, if you care to share.

We (my county) have a therapeutic community at a residential treatment detention center here that, from what I saw, was quite abusive and , well, bizarre. see >>http://corrections.jocogov.org/adult/therapeutic.shtml

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

I wrote a longish reply and then my phone shut down. Too tired to re-write tonight, but I'll hit you back.

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Wahig, are you working with male offenders only?

LifeWork tuition: $200. Church basements. Still looking.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Personally I work with males and females. Theyre all post-sentence mandated.

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Welcome.

Although I am totally abstinent with regard to Nicotine and Illegal drugs, I follow a path of Moderation with regard to Alcohol. I find MM and HAMS doctrine helpful and SMART Recovery also as well as Allen Carrs Easyway. I am interested in anything that can help with Alcohol Related problems. But find steppism not only useless but also dangerous to the point of suicidal

I believe that support groups can help some people, we had some excellent MM meetings in Mansfield, Nottingham and London. The facilitator was just the person who made sure the meeting took place, we had NO all-knowing gurus instructing the others on how to solve the problem, we also used extensive cross talk and discussion. My idea of a good meeting was just to do the opposite of AA, if you did the opposite of what AA did, then chances are you were doing it right.

But I also believe any meetings can be bad for others and am in favour of working alone from work books like MM's and HAMS and online groups, for those who find meetings just make them want to drink more. We all know the stepper BS that 'only an alcoholic can help an alcoholic' is just cult indoctrination.

We are all different with different drinking patterns and can use and benefit from different methods. Except stepper cults which are just dangerous scaremongering BS which kill people and worsten the problem for most people, with self defeating cult indocrtination about personal powerlessness and reliance upon higher powers and whatnot

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

The only group you named that I'm aware of is SMART. I'll have to read a bit!

Hey Guys,

We got whipped by the storm last weekend and I got distracted. My mind is still working though. I've got a lot of thoughts about the efficacy of what I do, as well as the ethics. So far I've accepted that my presence IN the system does more good than harm. We don't emphasize AA/NA in our space, but since a meeting a week is required by the program structure, there is little else for people to use.

Another thing I'm working on is to discover the links between MRT (Moral Reconation Therapy) and another criminal justice program called Criminon, which is allegedly a Scientology front. If you ever hear anyone mention MRT especially, I'd be obliged for an intro.

My employer is trying to reinvent our program to include non substance abusing people, who would have to agree to abstain from drugs and alcohol too.

Rambling thoughts. Thanks for listening.

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I am glad to see you back here, and in one piece after the storms you mentioned.

I would like to hear more about MRT. I had never heard of it before you posted about it.

I think I might have been exposed to MRT when going through a DUI conviction.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/