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Becket,
wow being called a control freak sure hit a nerve for you!!! You just keep bringing it up. You just have to be right & in control & keep attempting over & over to prove you are not a control freak. I would surmise control freak is something you should be used to hearing about yourself. I surmise no matter how many times you've heard it you still just have to fight it & try to control it. Just keep on trying to control what others think of you & feel about you. Wasting your time.

First Things First Deleted All Its Posts - http://orange-papers.org/forum/node/1893

First-Things-First was a poster for a little over 6 days and came in here like a 90 day wonder all full of slogans and arguments but no substance and was obviously overwhelmed by the immense volume of data showing his fellowship was a very dangerous religious cult.

I believe that First-Things-First was talked too by his Sponsor or another grand wizard of the Alcoholics Anonymous faith and told to knock it off. It may have even reached its AA Intergroup level. It is very doubtful that it reached the Interchurch level on 475 Riverside Drive in New York and appears he was handled by mid-level managers of the cult.

Alcoholics Anonymous is a religious "confession cult" along the same lines as Scientology, the only difference being that AA was first to market their cult to the US court, jail and prison system. If L. Ron Hubbard had been the first to market his cult to them, you would be going to jails and prison and holding weird ritual chanting ceremonies in church basements hold the bible called "Dianetics" instead of the "Big Book."

Okay, so in your opinion, AA works, but NA and the other 12 Step programs are full of shit?

Just trying to understand your position.

""You often see other substance addictions and sexual predators in there. Since it's not a cult, simply let them be and worry about your own recovery. Life is simpler than we make it.""

It is unethical and immoral to ignore sexual predators or anyone else that you observe abusing someone who has not provoked them. I wouldnt be able to sleep at night.

Nice Program !!!

We are not perfect people. Can't you simply let us be & worry about your own recovery? You have a lot more troubles than what you have written here about yourself. How long have you been telling other people what they should or shouldn't do, how they should or shouldn't feel & how they should handle their own recovery? You wrote you've been in & out of AA for years & in & out of sobriety for years? Why are you sweating what anyone on this forum or anywhere else in the world is doing, thinking or feeling? Shouldn't you just be keeping your own side of the street clean? You appear to be a typical stepper a self righteous hypocrite & know it all. Grow up.

FTF said: "Lies are often stronger than truth."

Please explain this statement. Thanks.

Are you one of those AA evangelists First-Things-First? Tying to convert the Orange Papers Forum to the Bill Wilson Religion? You would have just as good of a chance converting people to the cult of Scientology, you should stick to jails and prisons where your conversion targets are captive and very easy to manipulate. Remember to tell them that it is "their choice" when you sign them up for a year or two of "service work" providing for the feeding, growth and hunting trips of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous.

How do you know what those over 95% of people who rejected AA did or did not do? How do you know who worked it or not? How can you possible know the information you are writing? How do you know what people did or did not do? You don't know & the things you do think you know are all in your mind & nothing more than that. Grow up.