Avocagno The Child.

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Submitted by Trisha K. on Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:01

Re: abstinance or moderation

"Postby Avo » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:19 am
I've been able to put all thinking in regards to Suboxone being "using" out of my mind. It no longer bothers me that I regularly take an opiate "like" medication. I'm glad that I've been able to do this because it really helps my PAWS. I am functional and much more productive. Happier even :D
I know that in terms of moderating opiate use I likely wouldn’t be successful. Besides it being against the law, which nowadays is a deterrent for me, I have never once used this drug with exercising an ability to control my intake. For this reason as well, I'll likely always need to refrain from recreational opiate use. I have decided that if I'm ever in need and able to take pain killers that I will do it without qualms. Another of the hundreds of pet peeves I have about the program is the so called expectation that addicts or even "alcoholics" need to suffer pain in order to maintain their clean time. The decision seems to be made for others and instilled by others into their brains at a time that they themselves are not suffering. Kind of unfair, don’t ya think?"

"Postby Avo » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:58 pm
I've thought a bit about how different I would do things and now that I'm on the Sub I wish that I had tried this route years ago. It had been offered but I was determined to be "clean" by program standards. It's difficult to know how it might have been better for me or not. Since I'm on a higher dose atm and slowly working my way down, I am questioning it again now, :lol: Since the paws were so awful for me all I do is have to remember the times when life didn't seem worth living and the questions get answered right away."

"Postby Avo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:04 am
My bit about the PAWS was for me a way to keep it in perspective. The Sub has caused some issues of concern and I was prepared to face them. But for now, comparing the two is night and day. Living like life it was a disaster when in fact I have much to live and be happy for (like you), wasn't living. I needed to make a change and go in a different direction. Now I feel good. Normal, and happy. Thanks!"

Trisha wrote:
Avocagno, has not even finished her recovery yet. She is still using Suboxone to treat her PAWS. Which in and of itself is a good thing, but this chick is still a puppy when it comes to being able to stay clean and sober on her own. Yet here she is harassing other members who don't agree with her naive views about AA.
Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!
I also believe that after you have been clean for a while, all this Missouri trailer trash shit you have been talking about that has to do with me and these other people, whether real or fancy, will end. You will finally grow the fuck up and realize your lies are not necessary.
Avo, most of us here are not in recovery, recovering or even in NA, AA, SMART, HAMS or any other form of recovery program. We have left it all in our past. I am talking decades ago.
Suboxone wasn't even available when I was banging dope. You either kicked it cold turkey or you went on methadone. I never considered methadone as a viable alternative, just my opinion.
Yes my way was painful (probably beyond anyones belief) but I saw many before me do it and they succeeded.
Last....
Avo, you lied about me. Now whether you want to call me Danny, Trisha, Claude or who ever, it still doesn't wash away the fact you lied about me calling your home and threatening your son.
This never happened because if it did, I would not be here, writing on this site. I would be in jail, awaiting trial for a prison sentence.
So why don't you quit with all this other bullshit and tell everyone here what a piece of shit you were to accuse me of such a horrible allegation.

NOTE.......
(Here are your contradicting statements, actually you are the liar. Talk about feeling guilty Avo, how about being a mother and using your son in a plot to frame someone else on a AA web site)

Avo wrote:
Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:27
"Well Trisha, I've decided to take you up on your offer to get the police involved because I am taking it that seriously. Internet investigation has shown that you are using a proxy IP address on this site. Further investigation has revealed your actual personal IP address however. If you would please just confirm that your IP address is 68.97.248.86, I will forward this to the police and we will let them take this further. Because I am not a lowlife like you I will not post your full home address."

Avo wrote:
Tue, 07/03/2012 - 22:17
"Here is another one that you left in your trail of harassment around the web as Calinda, TraceLIn, Perplexity: 166.183.23.116 . I've never accused you, Trisha, of the phone call made to my house, I didn't say a word to you about it. It was you that came to the thread either because you ARE guilty or you FEEL guilty probably because of the mass of abuse that you have put others through over the years."

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:23

@Ironic
This discussion is not happening.
My time was before you were born.
Go talk with your buddies on RFR.
I have nothing to prove to you.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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DeConstructor

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:22

I forgot to add. You are not only a LIAR, you are also a coward.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:24

Why am I lying?

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 02:51

Regardless of when or how you supposedly quit, a former heroin addict would know what Sub is and also know how it “works”. If you were really one that had been "banging dope", you would also understand how it functions, along with the capability it has to treat other conditions. You have again proven to us all what a dedicated cyber-stalker you are. And although you continually put top effort into attempting to spy, you aren’t very good at it. I’ve never once used Sub or Methadone to detox from my opiate addiction (never was an IV user). Using Sub was a careful and precise decision that my doctor and I made many multiple months after I quit using. It had nothing to do with detox. The reasons aren’t any concern of yours, and this response is actually more for any onlookers or friends that may need support after you just insulted them. – To those that have had real heroin addictions (or know someone that has), and have gotten clean with a slow taper off of Suboxone. They are as clean and worthy of whatever words to describe their recovery they wish to use. Any former heroin addict would know this. They would without a doubt agree that even if they tapered for the rest of their lives they were as free from heroin addiction as the mountain air.

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cindee33

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 05:54

I was on methadone for quite some time. Had a hard time getting off of the shit. I have heard Suboxin is supposed to work faster and better. After the methadone trip, I wouldn't touch suboxine, just in case. Glad it is working for you though. When a person has chronic pain one can end up on all kinds of stuff one never intended to end up on. Good luck, I am glad the boxin is working for you.

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 08:14

Ty Cindee, that's appreciated. I've never touched Methadone, so we are opposites in a way. The Sub has been a wonder to me for which other meds haven't done much at all. I can't imagine what it's like to have pain on top of a dependence. Rough stuff! - Take care!

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 07:24

To those that have had real heroin addictions (or know someone that has), and have gotten clean with a slow taper off of Suboxone. They are as clean and worthy of whatever words to describe their recovery they wish to use. Any former heroin addict would know this. They would without a doubt agree that even if they tapered for the rest of their lives they were as free from heroin addiction as the mountain air.>>

I am all for what it takes to get off of the stuff, but how can they be considered free from herioin additions as the moutain air if they are still using it to maintain? To some, that sounds like simple maintenance along the likes of MM. Two drinks a day does not a drunk make but he's still relying on it... just not to the extent that he did at one time. I think AA would find that to be moderating, not abstaining.

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 08:34

"I think AA would find that to be moderating, not abstaining." ~Clara

That's where you are lost. It doesn't matter what AAs would think or what the program teaches. AA is an outdated program that's more of a religion then 'stop drinking' program. I don't know about Methadone but Sub carries a blocker in it as well. There is no "high" to be had, only an influx of certain required chemicals that all brains need to function correctly. For some former addicts that can't produce this on their own, (and may have started using because of this reason), the Bupe helps them live normally. This is something that no program can ever give and no amount of praying will help.

AA's all think they are an authority on recovery issues but too many don't have the first clue about the physical component. AA doesn't teach members that or even encourage they learn about it, because it's bullshit faith healing. As Bill W. said, “When the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically.” That’s whacked. Stay out of the way of doctors and quit intruding into the medicinal lives of others with opinions about being really>/em> sober. The last thing any former drinker or druggie needs is a non qualified and opiniated 'know it all' to lecture them about what dependence and getting clean is about.

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:24

I am not a drug user and I don't claim to kno much about it, Avo. AA doesn't, either, as it deals with booze despite all the efforts of some to use it as a catch all for everything and anything. I am interested in knowing something, but you sound pretty self-rightous. Weren't you the one on the advice board asking if you should give your stuff to a drunk that wanted it? Doesn't that put you between her and a real doctor? Why would you even need to ask about the appropriateness of it?

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 20:01

All of your jabbering in this thread is similar to what happens in the rooms of AA. Medications and recovery, whether it is from drugs or alcohol is none of your business unless it is your life. End of story. It doesn't matter how long you have been sober or what your doc was. Unless someone asks specifically what you think - then zip it, you are meddling. It is also not any other XA's concern to suggest that any one person or group in particular aren't actually recovering. It sounds a bit like you or they are playing God in their lives. That's the kind of pressure and opiniated “doctor playing” crap that may encourage someone to stop taking meds. This because of YOUR claims that “they” aren't really recovered and by YOUR personal standards. Talk about self righteous - You are nosy and judgmental. I certainly wouldn't want anyone that reads your opinions about "sobriety" think that they aren't working their own personal program correctly. When most of us try and get clean/sober it's because of unmanageability in our lives (of whatever sort), that the substances cause. It's their own choice on how to work the program and they make the decisions. Not you and not AA. When the unmanageability ceases, wonderful! This may be what they want and need. .. If you want to make claims about what someone else says perhaps apply an actual quote and link. Please back up your statements. It’s a poor habit that you have, throwing out insinuating comments about another’s actions. You regularly confuse people in the various forums and generalize their statements. Back up your statements, that’s all ya gotta do. You said “Wasn’t it you that...?”. Frick, I don’t know. Find the quote and link it, then maybe I’d be more interested. Same with Trisha, you make various claims on a regular basis and without any back up. These are things that should be verified on occasion if you want to sound credible. Perhaps I should say, “wasn’t it you that said you put 3 shots of tequila in every dish of soup?”. That wouldn’t be very fair would it?

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:02

It wouldn't be true because I have never put three shots of anything in anything at all, Avo. I also have taken a years' old incident and made the hay out of it that you all have because you have nothing else, I suppose.

My comments are simply because of the hypocrisy I see. Look at the medical advice drop down at RFR, and see if you aren't as guilty as anyone that wants to put a decades old pamphlet up about AA and how they used to do it when detoxes weren't around. Look at where someone had to tell you not to give a drinking woman some of your sub when she asked. Avo, why would you even need to ask what was wrong with that? She's drinking. You don't know what or how much. You aren't a doctor and you need your stuff for YOU. Look at the advice in that pamphlet and relate it to yourself.

Back in the day, that is how they did 12th steps. They tried to help bring people out of their binges much the same way you describe the medicine houses on Indian Reservations. They used to have bourbon, honey and orange juice in their trunks. AAs did help people detox and often stayed with them until they sobered up. Some of what was in that pamphlet were legal things to buy in the day, but that doesn't mean it was smart to mix it with booze.

You can say whatever it is you like about me, Avo. It doesn't change that you send very mixed signals. You bitch about someone in AA said A or B to you "and they aren't qualified." Anything to dump on AA despite doing the very same thing in your own life.

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:21

Oh jeeze, lol. You're Clueless. Regardless of what anyone says you change it anyway. To all of the above, it's none of your business. As I said, if ya want answers and to understand then start playing and being nice. You will otherwise spend your life on the OP bewildered and yapping about the lives of others. On the other hand I need nothing from you. I could care less about your Vince, your Benz, the dui's and your lobster soup. El Paso is nice? Good! Enjoy it :-)

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:27

Thank you because it is wonderful for what we want to do. It's monsoon season so now it is cool while the rest of the country bakes. The food is great and the people are friendly. I don't think I would trust the seafood around here, though,and I am grateful to not be concerned about DUIs anymore. The benz is great but the bike is even better and marriage is terrific. It's a nice life and none of it would be mine without sobriety.

OPF is simple fun, Avo. I on't read more into it than that.

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 17:46

delete

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 07:24

To those that have had real heroin addictions (or know someone that has), and have gotten clean with a slow taper off of Suboxone. They are as clean and worthy of whatever words to describe their recovery they wish to use. Any former heroin addict would know this. They would without a doubt agree that even if they tapered for the rest of their lives they were as free from heroin addiction as the mountain air.>>

I am all for what it takes to get off of the stuff, but how can they be considered free from herioin additions as the moutain air if they are still using it to maintain? To some, that sounds like simple maintenance along the likes of MM. Two drinks a day does not a drunk make but he's still relying on it... just not to the extent that he did at one time. I think AA would find that to be moderating, not abstaining.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 08:09

What would it matter what AA thinks on this at ALL when the people prescribing and overseeing the replacement therapy are people with medical degrees? This is one of the things I find most absurd about AA, this desire to completely ignore people who have any real qualifications in order to run it past someone who has managed only to become a drunk and learn the 12 steps.

BTW, replacement therapy as a method of treatment for opiate addiction predates Bill Wilson and the 12 steps. This is not something new.

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becket

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:45

"What would it matter what AA thinks on this at ALL when the people prescribing and overseeing the replacement therapy are people with medical degrees?"

Dr. Drew Pinsky, M.D., a practicing physician, board certified in internal and addiction medicine: medical degrees are good and helpful and lend authority until you determine that they're bad and damaging and fraudulent?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:21

AA is about booze, not street drugs, so I wouldn't expect it to have the answers, but that shouldn't preclude someone from asking a question, PIE.

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:21

AA is about booze, not street drugs, so I wouldn't expect it to have the answers, but that shouldn't preclude someone from asking a question, PIE.

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 17:46

If Avo mixed her sub with soup would you be willing to cut her some slack?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 17:56

Is that taking it as medically recommended? Remember, too, that it has been years since I've eaten crab soup! Is that true of the other example?

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:08

Sure, Clara. I Am not familiar with sub, but I assume it is medically acceptable to take it with food. Your second question is interesting. Why tell us that it has been two years since you had crab soup? If that is the case, you certainly are not living up to the email address you apparently use ;)

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:45

I never dated that incident when I relayed it to the board, and I put the original post back up for CauseandEffect. I have used this email since 1997 (as well as others), and I included it in a post in February. Again, nothing new or original.

I think whatever Avo does to keep herself away from the dangerous stuff and the lifestyle is just fine. I just think it is misleading to suggest that she "cured" herself with her mind when there's been a great deal of medical help and the "cure" hasn't happened yet. That will happen when she no longer needs the stuff. Even the article she posted wasn't talking about the kind medical care she is fortunate enough to receive. It was a very interesting historical view as to how AA was in the day. I spoke to an oldtimer about it. It was interesting.

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:02

Stop discussing me when you admit you don't know anything about drug use and you don't know the circumstances of my recovery. Gosh, you never stop do you? 1) It's not your business. 2) You're making assumptions. 3) It doesn't matter what you think. I did stop on my own. Are you still stumped about why, when, and how I take my meds? You probably are and good. Those specifics aren't any of your concern. I see you throwing these questions around trying to portray me as a liar. Then you want to ask me about it to prove otherwise. Not gonna happen because it's obvious to me that you're not interested in learning about the situation or have anything insightful to add. If you were, I'd likely be happy to talk to you about it. I'm usually pretty open. Your motives however seem mean spirited. Your constant blabbering about not understanding Massive's time in the program, my Sub use, and the status of various others sobriety are your problem. Not ours. If you were engaging in a friendly way and not jabbing with snide remarks, you might just get your answers. I hope you stay up at night wondering cuz it's doubtful anyone will respond to you seriously when you are nosy and crude.

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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:12

Avo, I DON'T understand ANYone staying in the program for years and then complaining about it. I saw the stuff on the wall at my first meeting, so it was no surprise that it was a spiritual program. No one "ied" to me when I could read it for myself. I DON'T understand stopping the booze but following a man into the fellowship, and the complaining that you stayed. But I've heard worse stoies... I DON'T understand telling people that you cured yourself when it became clear later that you have a great deal of medical care at your disposal. That's misleading to women that don't have that and could believe you. Then, of course, they would wonder perhaps how THEY failed. I haven't been nosy. I am reading what you voluntarily disclose. I am not so sure that my motives are questionable. I think yours are for riding in on an AA GSR to lead a meeting when you were there to do something different. I truly don't get these behaviors, Avo.

I am sure that there are plenty of people that feel they could coast along on Sub and the unmanagablity of their life might stop. Aot of behaviors could change.... But does that make them "cured?" If so, what is "curing" them?

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Trisha K.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 20:00

Audience, please read carefully because an xaa is writing about what is happening to her. Now lets allow for this to settle in a second. I personally find it beautiful, because this particular person has had this coming for months. Notice when the x's here are questioned about their personal lives, they recoil like a snake. They have no problem dragging out others personal laundry and making fun of it. Avo, if you would like, I would be more then happy to post all the sarcastic, debasing , arrogant and rude comments you have posted about "steppers". You have the unmitigated cojones to come on here and question Clara on her integrity, her sincerity and empathy for others.
Examples....
You have stood by and watched her be accused of some of the most horrid crap anyone has ever heard, you knew it wasn't true and you said nothing. You stood by and allowed Ben to call her, filthy distrusting names and said nothing. NOW!!!! We have Avo in her most arrogant manner, saying to Clara, "If you were engaging in a friendly way and not jabbing with snide remarks, you might just get your answers". Lmao......you are definitely the biggest douche I have ever seen in action. What....PLANET do.....Oh never mind.
"Avo wrote: Your motives however seem mean spirited. Your constant blabbering about not understanding Massive's time in the program, my Sub use, and the status of various others sobriety are your problem. Not ours. If you were engaging in a friendly way and not jabbing with snide remarks, you might just get your answers. I hope you stay up at night wondering cuz it's doubtful anyone will respond to you seriously when you are nosy and crude."
What are you, Avo. Seriously, where did you learn to interact with people. This site isn't all about YOU and PennyPIE. New name PennyPie...catchy.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:14

This is so confusing. Anyway, Clara, I'm cool as long as you agree with one of the following statements:

1) Avo is abstinent;

2) Avo would be abstinent if she mixed her sub with soup;

or

3) you have not been abstinent for the last five years (or whenever it was you joined AA).

As long as you agree with one of the above we have no dispute here.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:16

I don't care what she takes her stuff with. She is claiming to be cured, not abstinent. I am not the one that brought up how she took her meds.

My sponsor doesn't care about condiment sherry or find a conflict with it, so yes, I have been abstinent for the past 5 years. I also noticed that our ladies group often went out for dinner and one would order veal Masala and no one batted an eye. Perhaps your group views it differently, but in our group, no one was remiss. If I was in your group and that is how they felt and taught, perhaps I would be. But as Avo says, my program is my business.

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:20

We are not discussing whether you care what she takes. We are simply discussing the truth or falsity of the three purported factual statements I listed above. As long as you agree that at least one of those statements is true, we can have harmony here.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:23

No harmony because I am abstinent and have been, and she is not cured.

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:27

Don't switch words on me. I didn't ask whether she was cured. Since you claim abstinence for yourself, that rules out the third statement. But we can still achieve peace, since there are two options left. Accordingly, leaving aside the question of whether she is cured, would you agree that Avo is absintent, or in the alternative, that she would be if she mixed her sub with soup?

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

gigi

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:32

You are not cured either, Clara. You are proof that the steps are bullshit.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:37

I think AA is pretty strong on its belief tht alcoholism isn't curable. I am not crazy about all of the steps, but most have merit.

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Pennywise

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:42

I'm impressed by this statement, Clara. Truly.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:58

Aw, shucks, Penny!

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gigi

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:49

Which steps are you not crazy about?

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Trisha K.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:34

Penny, your self importance is boring. I think your time is up, anyway. Ding Ding Ding!!! The ADA wants you back or is it the RFR.
Bye......
Clara, he is ticklish, ya know...:)

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 17:57

Penny, best comment ever!

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patti

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:30

Penny
LOL

patti

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:17

.

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 07:25

What is stalker distance, PIE? That is curious language. Ben's photo wasn't a close up.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:02

No, not curious language so much a likely a bad paraphrase from a TV show. "Bones" had a bit several years back about a woman with a photo album of a victim, except that all of the pictures in it looked like Trisha's old pic here--taken from behind and at long range.

I used to like that show. Which has nothing to do with Ben's pic.

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:38

It just looks like a series of shots. Some were frontals and others weren't.

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SandyB

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:24

they could sell tickets like they did to the moon.

Do a live feed and fix the economy...

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:28

Tickets to the moon or to the moon shot? Is Richard Branson offering some new experiential kick now?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:25

Maybe Trisha used hollowed-out, sharpened bamboo straws. Who cares?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:40

Why won't you participate in this discussion? You participate in every other discussion. It appears you are avoiding this discussion. What size needles did you use? Why not just answer?

patti

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:59

Patti, I think Trisha's trying one of these Frank Drebin moves now that people have called him/her/it on starting such an awful thread:

http://youtu.be/5NNOrp_83RU

http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:32

A 22g 1" would put it in there pretty quick, right?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Ironic

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:28

1" is far too big, and 22g is also a much bigger size than normal. Actually 22g is the largest I've ever used. A diabetic syringe is just fine for heroin..you gotta go slightly larger for pills. 1/2 inch is a good length.

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