Boy am I glad I found this site (sight). Strangely enough it was something that James Randi had said about the dangers of " magical thinking " that woke me up. I started Al-Anon as a relatively rational Agnostic who had a family, a mortgage, a car and five years later I'm unemployed, single and afraid to work in an " alcoholic " environment, which quite frankly is not good for a musician. I did make some good friends though and learned some good practical tips, it was the steps that screwed me over. That's the trouble with being in a cult, you have no idea you're in one at the time. I feel duped, but I'm ready to go out into the actual real world and exercise my own power. My ex wife still drinks, and at one time I'd have loved her to go to AA, but over the last year or so, the very thought of it sat uncomfortably with me, and I guess I now know why. My ex gf ( I apologise - I introduced her to 12 step) is 3 years " sober " in AA and let's just say I don't maintain contact. There's nothing more insane than a mad saint. I'm sure I'll be an active contributor to this forum, and I love the rational, scientific, evidence based approach to things. Thank-you " Orange ".