Avocagno The Child.

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Submitted by Trisha K. on Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:01

Re: abstinance or moderation

"Postby Avo » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:19 am
I've been able to put all thinking in regards to Suboxone being "using" out of my mind. It no longer bothers me that I regularly take an opiate "like" medication. I'm glad that I've been able to do this because it really helps my PAWS. I am functional and much more productive. Happier even :D
I know that in terms of moderating opiate use I likely wouldn’t be successful. Besides it being against the law, which nowadays is a deterrent for me, I have never once used this drug with exercising an ability to control my intake. For this reason as well, I'll likely always need to refrain from recreational opiate use. I have decided that if I'm ever in need and able to take pain killers that I will do it without qualms. Another of the hundreds of pet peeves I have about the program is the so called expectation that addicts or even "alcoholics" need to suffer pain in order to maintain their clean time. The decision seems to be made for others and instilled by others into their brains at a time that they themselves are not suffering. Kind of unfair, don’t ya think?"

"Postby Avo » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:58 pm
I've thought a bit about how different I would do things and now that I'm on the Sub I wish that I had tried this route years ago. It had been offered but I was determined to be "clean" by program standards. It's difficult to know how it might have been better for me or not. Since I'm on a higher dose atm and slowly working my way down, I am questioning it again now, :lol: Since the paws were so awful for me all I do is have to remember the times when life didn't seem worth living and the questions get answered right away."

"Postby Avo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:04 am
My bit about the PAWS was for me a way to keep it in perspective. The Sub has caused some issues of concern and I was prepared to face them. But for now, comparing the two is night and day. Living like life it was a disaster when in fact I have much to live and be happy for (like you), wasn't living. I needed to make a change and go in a different direction. Now I feel good. Normal, and happy. Thanks!"

Trisha wrote:
Avocagno, has not even finished her recovery yet. She is still using Suboxone to treat her PAWS. Which in and of itself is a good thing, but this chick is still a puppy when it comes to being able to stay clean and sober on her own. Yet here she is harassing other members who don't agree with her naive views about AA.
Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!
I also believe that after you have been clean for a while, all this Missouri trailer trash shit you have been talking about that has to do with me and these other people, whether real or fancy, will end. You will finally grow the fuck up and realize your lies are not necessary.
Avo, most of us here are not in recovery, recovering or even in NA, AA, SMART, HAMS or any other form of recovery program. We have left it all in our past. I am talking decades ago.
Suboxone wasn't even available when I was banging dope. You either kicked it cold turkey or you went on methadone. I never considered methadone as a viable alternative, just my opinion.
Yes my way was painful (probably beyond anyones belief) but I saw many before me do it and they succeeded.
Last....
Avo, you lied about me. Now whether you want to call me Danny, Trisha, Claude or who ever, it still doesn't wash away the fact you lied about me calling your home and threatening your son.
This never happened because if it did, I would not be here, writing on this site. I would be in jail, awaiting trial for a prison sentence.
So why don't you quit with all this other bullshit and tell everyone here what a piece of shit you were to accuse me of such a horrible allegation.

NOTE.......
(Here are your contradicting statements, actually you are the liar. Talk about feeling guilty Avo, how about being a mother and using your son in a plot to frame someone else on a AA web site)

Avo wrote:
Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:27
"Well Trisha, I've decided to take you up on your offer to get the police involved because I am taking it that seriously. Internet investigation has shown that you are using a proxy IP address on this site. Further investigation has revealed your actual personal IP address however. If you would please just confirm that your IP address is 68.97.248.86, I will forward this to the police and we will let them take this further. Because I am not a lowlife like you I will not post your full home address."

Avo wrote:
Tue, 07/03/2012 - 22:17
"Here is another one that you left in your trail of harassment around the web as Calinda, TraceLIn, Perplexity: 166.183.23.116 . I've never accused you, Trisha, of the phone call made to my house, I didn't say a word to you about it. It was you that came to the thread either because you ARE guilty or you FEEL guilty probably because of the mass of abuse that you have put others through over the years."

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:35

Danny II B (The Ranch hand) is a seriously sick individual. Everybody, and I mean everybody, knows that by now. Yet these 12 step loons are supporting him. Yep, 12 step true believers are insane.

judge bucket pops in with a Show me the court transcripts motherfucker. Insane.

alkie points to a hilariously funny spoof on the biggest enabler (Lois W) in AA history and asks "is this funny". Yep. It was fucking hilarious.

CLar (Susan?) continues the attack on avo.

Judge bucket tells the OPF that the Orange Papers, and the OP Forum, are insignificant in bringing change to AA/12 steps and the treatment industry. Judge bucket wants to know what we are doing in addition to exposing AA here on the Forum.

alkie continues to dig deeper. He points to a drop in website hits in June vs. May. LOL. alkie points us to a story about a black kid sentenced to 162 years in prison for using a gun in burglaries. Why? One word folks. Insane.

In CLar's perfect world (she lives in El Paso for christ's sake, the asshole of North America) she has never seen predatory behavior in meetings, see has never seen intimidation and demeaning behavior in her meetings. Clar drinks fucking sherry with her fucking lunch people. What a hippocrite. Insane.

These people have supposedly worked all 12 steps, are supposedly sober and serene. God had performed their personalized miracles to keep 'em sober. These people are here day in and day out. Why, if the OP's & OPF are so insignifcant to AA and the 12 steps? One word folks, insane.

These people visit the RecoveringfromRecovery site, read the threads and comments, and bring their bitches and gripes about what is said on another site over here to the OPF. Truly insane behaviour.

Judge bucket is full of shit. He claims he is not a stepper, that the 12 steps are not keeping him sober. Well becker, you are telling the truth when you say the 12 steps are not keeping you sober, the 12 steps don't keep anybody sober. However, bucket is a stepper through and through.

12 steppers will go to any lengths to defend their culty religious program.

Our 12 steppers, alkie, beclit, CLar, jonnijoy, they are on the defensive. Danny II B (the Ranch hand) is just a lot crazy. Insane.

I ask, if the Orange Papers and the Forum are so insignificant, if the 1,500,000 to 2,000,000 hits to the Orange Papers each month means nothing to AA/12 step's well being, why are these self-admitted insane drunks here daily, day in and day out?

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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:25

live_free_or_die asks: "I ask, if the Orange Papers and the Forum are so insignificant, if the 1,500,000 to 2,000,000 hits to the Orange Papers each month means nothing to AA/12 step's well being, why are these self-admitted insane drunks here daily, day in and day out?"

I ask, if life is so grand without AA, then why are all these OPF'ers "very angry and upset"?
Indeed, why are these self-admitted insane AA hate mongers here daily, day in and day out?

disclosure

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:23

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:46

Well disclosure, welcome to the other side. AA did not damage us.

"Someday perhaps change will occur when times are ready for it instead of always when it is too late. Someday change will be accepted as life itself."
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SandyB

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:18

You're obsession is too much.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:26

http://www.deanscards.com/Product/sports-illustrated/829598/-07-20-1964-...

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:01

In the grand scheme, disclosure, was is a myocardial infarction or a paper cut?

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:01

disclosure says: "OP forum makes me better. It takes time to recover from recovery, the same way it takes time to become damaged by AA."

How does OP Forum make you better? How does one make up for lost time?

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:44

expose AA.

That's what the Orange Papers are all about alkie. Exposing AA. I will help expose AA.

I am not angry or upset alkie. In fact I enjoy this.

Answer my original question stepper, If the Orange Papers are no matter, why are you alkie, and becket, CLar and most of the rest here on a daily basis? It just doesn't make sense. It is insane.

This site was built for us. Anti AA/12 step folks. Your response as to why are we here was just, well, stupid, on your part. alkie, you can see that, can't you?

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:49

Is this what you were doing above, exposing AA or yourself......;)

"Danny II B (the Ranch hand) and the 12 step loons.
Danny II B (The Ranch hand) is a seriously sick individual. Everybody, and I mean everybody, knows that by now. Yet these 12 step loons are supporting him. Yep, 12 step true believers are insane."

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:40

You are a mental midget. Yes Danny II B, the 12 steps are just some crazy stuff. I mean, the steps and traditions of AA are just, well, insane.

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:04

live_free_or_die says: "I am not angry or upset alkie. In fact I enjoy this." Ditto. And enjoying life.

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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:07

Perhaps we enjoy it, too, LFOD. Perhaps it is to offer balance to some stuff that is just untrue. I've learned alot from here, stuff my sponsor was upset with me for not already knowing because he gave me the information to read and I fluffed it off.

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:36

Just making sure that the next person has a choice. Freedom of choice.

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:39

And with that choice comes an opportunity to make a decision. A decision to be carefully evaluated, appraised, and considered by that person alone. Not to be decided by you, not by me, not by anyone else.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:33

That is what it is all about. Informing people with potentially harmful substance abuse behavior that there are choices. Alternatives to AA/12 step "treatment" programs.

AA has had a stranglehold on the "treatment" industry for decades because the courts have been shoving AA down people's throats. In addition, 2 hatters have done their best to protect their profits interest and ignore the fact that 12 steps treatment is, for most, a failure. Furthermore, when the insurance industry was able to get laws passed so they could pay for questionable "12 step treatment" things really got out of hand. There is so much conflict of interest in the treatment industry it is criminal. For decades alkie, there was no freedom of choice.

The fact is that, today, substance abuse in this country is a huge problem. The 12 step treatment model has been around since 1935. The U.S. has a huge problem with substance abuse alkie. 12 steps have been around for over 70 years alkie. Something is not working alkie. That is fact.

The "information age" is getting that fact out to people. People have numerous resources to research information, ideas, arguments, treatment options, etc. In short, people are, or can be, much more informed today than they were in 1980. No program should preach a "one size fits all" solution. Please don't deny this, AA preaches the AA way or you die, or you'll be in jail or in an institution.

I have always said, alkie, that if AA works for somebody, and they want to stay in AA, that is great and more power to 'em.

However, AA has been proven to be ineffective, and other options are available without having to give your damn life and soul over to the program. Options that are not based on a 1930's book that was written by an individual that was depressed most of his life.

So I will help to expose AA and the 12 steps for what it is. Any program that requires an individual to admit to being insane, to make a "confession", to turn their over to god in order to be "saved" from drinking is just utterly ridiculous.

I agree alkie, it is not my decision, nor is it yours. I am going to help that person to make an informed decision though.

Enjoy the fireworks.

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:29

Their best is paying off, isn't it?

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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:44

Alternatives. No problem there.

"Treatment" industry/model. It was what was available at the time. If there is a better solution or suitable replacement, then why not spend your time and effort touting its benefits? Why waste your time with all the misinformation and ridiculous accusations and AA bashing? Does it make you feel any better?

Seventy-seven years has elapsed. Agreed. Medicine and technology has progressed. Advances in science have been made. So what's the AMA and APA got to show for it?

You say it is not working. Other people will say it is working. Who to believe?

"... AA preaches the AA way or you die, or you'll be in jail or in an institution." Really? Seriously? Thought it was if you continue drinking, then you ....

"... if AA works for somebody, and they want to stay in AA, that is great and more power to 'em." Then why are you trying to kick the legs out from underneath them?

"... give your damn life and soul over to the program." Really? Seriously? Thought It was God or a Higher Power.

"So I will help to expose AA and the 12 steps for what it is." Got it. So "alternatives" is just a smoke screen to your real agenda.

"Any program that requires an individual to admit to being insane, to make a "confession", to turn their over to god in order to be "saved" from drinking is just utterly ridiculous." Really? Seriously? The insane part. The other is typical religious stuff that is a personal choice and decision. So you shouldn't have a problem with that.

Ditto.

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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:58

Who's insane? If you tear all the bullshit away from the posts, what you have is people passionate about their convictions. Some are less articulate, some are less authentic, some hide behind the "dazzle" that internet foraging provides; others make a stronger effort to discuss issues even if they are the antithesis of what they believe. When a forum like this is set up it can't NOT attract posters from both sides of the fence.

What happens here is the human thing: seeking safety in numbers, deconstructing erroneous information, including graphs, statistics, and pie charts on loan from the internet as if they are the last word on something. They are not the last word. They are today's word. And people put so much faith only in today's word that they vilify yesterday's word, even though it was the genesis and the petri dish for today's current thought.

I find no profound thought here. It's a bantam weight venue in a heavyweight world. I keep returning to see who has lost it; we have all lost it on occasion. Now and then the topic of civility comes up. And then it is crushed. It will always be this way, as long as the forum exists. At least two sides, all geniuses, black/white, offering up a whole bunch of nothin. See you round the forum.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:57

Judge becket, I look forward to seeing you around the forum and your offerings of nothing. BTW, TRish is no jeanyus.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:14

Oh, yes I am...just listen......I'm banjo boy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9OrgwFxgDs

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:30

If my offerings are nothing, why are you reading them and commenting on them over and over and over?

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live_free_or_die

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 06:35

becklet said: "I find no profound thought here. It's a bantam weight venue in a heavyweight world. I keep returning to see who has lost it; we have all lost it on occasion. Now and then the topic of civility comes up. And then it is crushed. It will always be this way, as long as the forum exists. At least two sides, all geniuses, black/white, offering up a whole bunch of nothin. See you round the forum."

Then becklet said: "If my offerings are nothing, why are you reading them and commenting on them over and over and over?

This is funny, first becklit says all forum posters here are geniuses and all postings mean nothing, then in a separate post he comes back with the "If my offerings are nothing why are you........." question. It seems to me that becket is saying that ALL OPF POSTERS comments mean nothing, but he is excepting himself from his own declaration.

Yes, beclit is jesting when he says we here on the OPF, both sides, are all geniuses. Or is he? It is obvious that beclit thinks of himself as a genius, after all he is the self-appointed judge here on the Forum. Read the first post of becket I posted above closely and you will see it. The judge judging and condeming us all, 'cept him of course.

He, beclit, asks why do I read his comments? Well I read them so I can poke him when he contradicts himself. As an example, the judge has said here on this very forum that the 12 steps of AA are not keeping him sober. What? That is in direct contradiction with the hokey program of AA, which say that "alcoholics" have an incurable "disease" and they must continue to work the steps and commune with god in order to stay sober. Furthermore, becket has also admitted that what did get him sober was discipline and structure. What? The program of AA says that only by the grace of god can an AA member get sober. Contradictions, becket. Just as in the big book and the traditions, which are full of contradictions. Why so many contradictions you ask? Because the program of AA is such insane nonsense the program itself, as written, just can't keep track of the billshit.

Why is there no bobshit?

So keep in mind that the program of AA/12 steps says that one must find god, turn their will over to god, and by working the 12 steps then, and only then, can the poor suffering "alcoholic" be cleansed of all of their moral shortcomings (character defects). This cleansing is performed in a personalized miracle from god, and only for AA members. God will arrest the "disease" as long as the AA member continues to keep coming back and work the steps, over and over and over again. Oh, and AA (bill w) wants you bring along a dollar or two to each meeting.

So becket, in contradicting the AA program, has said he got sober with discipline and structure (not god) and he remains sober, and not by working through the 12 steps. What? Furthermore, beclit has admitted to not being in a meeting for over 20 years. One must conclude that becket got himself sober and that he never had a disease. Contradictions.

Maybe bucket is one of those that AA says, in dismissing any criticism of their program, "Well, he wasn't an "alcoholic" to start with?

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becket

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:05

So you really have no perception of sarcasm? That's truly sad, a tool lost from the tool's toolbox.

"As an example, the judge has said here on this very forum that the 12 steps of AA are not keeping him sober. What? That is in direct contradiction with the hokey program of AA, which say that "alcoholics" have an incurable "disease" and they must continue to work the steps and commune with god in order to stay sober. Furthermore, becket has also admitted that what did get him sober was discipline and structure. What? The program of AA says that only by the grace of god can an AA member get sober. Contradictions, becket. Just as in the big book and the traditions, which are full of contradictions. Why so many contradictions you ask? Because the program of AA is such insane nonsense the program itself, as written, just can't keep track of the billshit."

Maybe now you can understand that I am not a member of AA. You keep wanting to saddle me with that, but that shit don't float. I sobered up when you were in diapers. It's a game to you to try to find some weakness in my experience. You will not find it. If I implemented ideas from the 12 steps program, it does not logically follow that I am a "chanting, sponsoring, conning, 13th-stepping, real-estate snatching liar." The fact that structure and discipline are the principle things which supported my achievement of sobriety, as opposed to all of the above "cult behaviors" should be a tip off to you, lfop. "One must conclude ... "?? No one is under any command to conclude anything about my sobriety. It's inconsequential that you believe there are inconsistencies in the way I've done this thing. The fact remains that I'm 32 years sober. That's the bottom line. If you choose to believe there are contradictions in my methods, nothing that I can say will satisfy you. You are just waiting for the next round of posting so you can masturbate to your own illusions. Have at it. Don't forget the sock.

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― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:33

To continue to expose the truths about AA & what a dangerous & brain washing cult it is. To continue to expose the truth that AA is ineffective & fails miserably & that over 95 % reject it & run. To communicate to others the unqualified & crazy psycho babble & diagnoses of Wilson who was nothing but an immoral & unemployed drunk & con. But of course you know why we are here to expose AA, Wilson & all his billshit.

patti

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:15

Are you now l-fuck's mouthpiece, patti?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:06

"Judge bucket is full of shit. He claims he is not a stepper, that the 12 steps are not keeping him sober. Well becker, you are telling the truth when you say the 12 steps are not keeping you sober, the 12 steps don't keep anybody sober. However, bucket is a stepper through and through."

Let's talk about contradictions.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:26

LFOD
great post & the truth & ditto.

patti

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:52

Funny that I relayed a years old story that you act as if it happenef yesterday... We've also discovered that people critical of EP have never spent any time there. When were you in EP?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:40

Clar, I was in El Paso for a financial statement audit for a blue jeans manufacturer client. We were in El Paso for a week auditing the books and doing inventory observation.

El Paso is a hell hole.

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El Paso (HadesBaton Rouge)

A city located in west Texas, southern New Mexico, northern Mexico, and the ninth circle of Hell. It's primary import is souls which it sucks out of its inhabitants like a 100 square-mile hoover in black hole mode. The only thing El Paso has on ground-zero Hiroshima is that some of the people speak english but why you would want to try to speak to any of the ugly, half-wit, embarrassments to evolution I cannot even begin to fathom. The city is best seen from I-10 at high speed in your rearview mirror.
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Drive around El Paso (nothing else to do?)
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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:09

A whole week! WOW!

We love it. Then again, we ride, hike, love Mexican food and low humidity, and we've met some great people. I couldn't have gotten that in a week. We have also never discovered language to be a problem.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:46

When you are in a hell hole it doesn't take long for a person to establish they are in a hell hole.

Enjoy your fireworks.

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:00

We will, but we aren't in EP. I am not sure what they do but I would suppose that Ft. Bliss has something. Enjoy yours, too!

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

patti

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:36

Is El Paso a hell hole even if you drive around in a Benz? Humbly of course. Is El Paso a hell hole even if you name/car drop that you drive a Benz? Can one attain serenity & humility in El Paso without a Benz? Just wondering.

patti

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:29

What do you drive, patti? Man, I don't want one of those cars or trucks. Bad juju.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 06:56

Best dealership I have ever been to!

We enjoy El Paso. Like the people very much. Wish the drug sitatution in Juarez weren't as it isbecause it was different in the day when you could go over there.

It's okay to have luxuries, Patti.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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DeConstructor

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:45

Where in the FUCK did you go to medical school?

Who in the FUCK gives you the right to comment on medical decisions of another?

Trish wrote:
"Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!"

The deadly practice of the AA faith authoritatively counseling people to stop taking medication- a practice that steptards continue to claim does not happen in their group or they have never witnessed- you are doing right here right now.

I do know enough about medicine to know that no one with any real medical training would EVER dispense medical advice- particularly regarding the overriding of a prescribing physician without a physical exam.

The practice of counseling people to stop needed medication is prolly the most dangerous practice of the AA faith. You may continue to claim it does not happen, however you lose all credibility (as if you ever had any) when you claim it does not happen WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT!

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:13

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http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:50

Yeah, PIE. I have a tendency of being a real "asshole" when I am publicly accused of threatening a young boy on his telephone.
Call me obsessive.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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DeConstructor

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:57

Nice dodging of the question.

Seriously, since this is a very serious matter, how do you consider yourself in authority to counsel another to stop prescribed medication?

Trish wrote:

"Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!"

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:07

@DeCon...I am not dodging. I wanted you to calm down and maybe take another look at my post.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:14

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http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:44

...

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

patti

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:38

nah you are just a real asshole all of the time. Just saying.

patti

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:31

Is this directed at everyone on the forum, patti or at someone in particular?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 06:44

........if the shoe fits..

Nice pair of shoes old man becket, you genius.

Kidding allowed ( except for TRish/Danny II B/The Ranch hand)

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:05

@DeCon....I would argue that nothing in my post suggests that I am telling Avo what to do when it comes to her medication. As a matter of fact I am encouraging her to finish.
All I said is, she hasn't finished her recovery process. She is still being treated. I find this astonishing for someone who comes across here on this site as an expert on recovery and everything that comes with this process.
So if you want to get all up in my face because it is your buddy we are talking about here, I can accept that. BTW after you are done with me turn around and tell your star pupil she should watch the sick games she plays on this site.
Since I found this out about Avo, her behavior makes a lot more sense today. I had forgotten that she was willing to use a young women with less sobriety then her and manipulate an AA meeting coordinator by falsely passing herself off as a interested AA leader of meetings, so she could get into the AA meeting and promote other programs.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:41

Be cautious, DeCon. Plenty of medical advice being given on alternate sites.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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SandyB

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:38

What age did you start banging dope? LOL

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Ironic

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:58

What size needles did you use?

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