Avocagno The Child.

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Submitted by Trisha K. on Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:01

Re: abstinance or moderation

"Postby Avo » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:19 am
I've been able to put all thinking in regards to Suboxone being "using" out of my mind. It no longer bothers me that I regularly take an opiate "like" medication. I'm glad that I've been able to do this because it really helps my PAWS. I am functional and much more productive. Happier even :D
I know that in terms of moderating opiate use I likely wouldn’t be successful. Besides it being against the law, which nowadays is a deterrent for me, I have never once used this drug with exercising an ability to control my intake. For this reason as well, I'll likely always need to refrain from recreational opiate use. I have decided that if I'm ever in need and able to take pain killers that I will do it without qualms. Another of the hundreds of pet peeves I have about the program is the so called expectation that addicts or even "alcoholics" need to suffer pain in order to maintain their clean time. The decision seems to be made for others and instilled by others into their brains at a time that they themselves are not suffering. Kind of unfair, don’t ya think?"

"Postby Avo » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:58 pm
I've thought a bit about how different I would do things and now that I'm on the Sub I wish that I had tried this route years ago. It had been offered but I was determined to be "clean" by program standards. It's difficult to know how it might have been better for me or not. Since I'm on a higher dose atm and slowly working my way down, I am questioning it again now, :lol: Since the paws were so awful for me all I do is have to remember the times when life didn't seem worth living and the questions get answered right away."

"Postby Avo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:04 am
My bit about the PAWS was for me a way to keep it in perspective. The Sub has caused some issues of concern and I was prepared to face them. But for now, comparing the two is night and day. Living like life it was a disaster when in fact I have much to live and be happy for (like you), wasn't living. I needed to make a change and go in a different direction. Now I feel good. Normal, and happy. Thanks!"

Trisha wrote:
Avocagno, has not even finished her recovery yet. She is still using Suboxone to treat her PAWS. Which in and of itself is a good thing, but this chick is still a puppy when it comes to being able to stay clean and sober on her own. Yet here she is harassing other members who don't agree with her naive views about AA.
Girl try this, when you and your doctor think you are ready get off of suboxone and the ambien you are taking everyday. Then come back here and talk all shit you want, but I don't think you will.
Avo, you are not fully rid of opiates yet, you are still dependent. I am not saying this is wrong because it isn't. I just think you should tell everyone before you run off at the mouth about opinions concerning sobriety, how sobriety should be achieved, who is making the decisions about the quality and consistency of anyone's sobriety. FINISH YOUR RECOVERY PROGRAM!!!
I also believe that after you have been clean for a while, all this Missouri trailer trash shit you have been talking about that has to do with me and these other people, whether real or fancy, will end. You will finally grow the fuck up and realize your lies are not necessary.
Avo, most of us here are not in recovery, recovering or even in NA, AA, SMART, HAMS or any other form of recovery program. We have left it all in our past. I am talking decades ago.
Suboxone wasn't even available when I was banging dope. You either kicked it cold turkey or you went on methadone. I never considered methadone as a viable alternative, just my opinion.
Yes my way was painful (probably beyond anyones belief) but I saw many before me do it and they succeeded.
Last....
Avo, you lied about me. Now whether you want to call me Danny, Trisha, Claude or who ever, it still doesn't wash away the fact you lied about me calling your home and threatening your son.
This never happened because if it did, I would not be here, writing on this site. I would be in jail, awaiting trial for a prison sentence.
So why don't you quit with all this other bullshit and tell everyone here what a piece of shit you were to accuse me of such a horrible allegation.

NOTE.......
(Here are your contradicting statements, actually you are the liar. Talk about feeling guilty Avo, how about being a mother and using your son in a plot to frame someone else on a AA web site)

Avo wrote:
Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:27
"Well Trisha, I've decided to take you up on your offer to get the police involved because I am taking it that seriously. Internet investigation has shown that you are using a proxy IP address on this site. Further investigation has revealed your actual personal IP address however. If you would please just confirm that your IP address is 68.97.248.86, I will forward this to the police and we will let them take this further. Because I am not a lowlife like you I will not post your full home address."

Avo wrote:
Tue, 07/03/2012 - 22:17
"Here is another one that you left in your trail of harassment around the web as Calinda, TraceLIn, Perplexity: 166.183.23.116 . I've never accused you, Trisha, of the phone call made to my house, I didn't say a word to you about it. It was you that came to the thread either because you ARE guilty or you FEEL guilty probably because of the mass of abuse that you have put others through over the years."

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:12

I have never posted over there, PIE, but it would interesting that you would think that only one person in El Paso might be interested in your site. I agree that it isn't as interesting as OPF with its 2.5 million hits.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:22

Very funny Clara.....LMAO!!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:08

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alkieanon

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:13

Okay, I'll bite. Where do I sign up for the RFR forum?

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:56

PIE...

Oh, that's not true. I know someone got what he was after. Tell your friends that being honest in the chat room was rewarding.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:09

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:58

PIE, we have been done for weeks now. We got what we needed. Let it go, now.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:09

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:13

Well, even if she is, isn't it also what you and others have done? Never mind that it is incorrect, but why is there such an element of "gotcha" on this particular board? I got an email with some of my posts on a natural woman site where I posted recipes for soap, d/washer mix, laundry mix and the like. I don't think y'll care much about natural deodorant and the like. I have expected them to appear here as some intimidation effort from someone I simply view to be lonely and sad. But what is the point of it? Just silliness.

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:14

Let's see:

Persephone In Exile has been on the OPF for 9 months, 3 weeks.
Trisha K has been on the forum for 4 months, 2 weeks.
Oh, go on about the alter egos, I can wait.

But who is it that's having a problem letting go?

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:00

I know. That is JR's method. Glad to have been gone from it for a couple of months. I was grateful to Ben for making sure RFR didn't become an outlet for Anti's shennanigans. I understand she was none too pleased with you, PIE, for criticizing her website. But how useful a site is it and what does it do for her cause?

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Persephone In Exile

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:08

Glad you were so interested, Clara. PM me sometime, we can chat about it.

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 17:41

If you choose to, you can just post here, PIE. I just thought she was peculiar to make the claims she did yet have nothing to back it up. Two middle aged Harley riders, coming to Daytona, one of the biggest ride destinations in Fl, that happen to be AA members that take in meetings even on vacation ... yet it was all about her. And it is still there...

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:10

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 06:52

I give you permission to post that PM, PIE, because I know that I have sent you one single PM that simply asked one question - Are you in AA. I sent it within the first 2 weeks I belonged on this blog because I couldn't really tell.

You are simply doing what you accuse others of doing on this forum.

I read the thread that had been sent to me and my sole interest was because it was about me and Anti's continued saga about how she was "victimized" when no one did anything to her. She also didn't indicate anything other than I was coming to that meeting and she "was so scared" the meeting would be supported.

But, do post that PM you insist that I sent. I would be interested in knowing what I could possibly say to you that you would even find so interesting.

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Persephone In Exile

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:40

I'm not that low.

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:15

It's not a matter of being low, PIE. You don't have anything to post. Interesting that you are low enough to mislead someone but not willing to post it even with my permission. Slippery ethics, dear.

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:11

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:15

Gosh, how scandalous! Isn't this just what I've said I emailed to you? Even the date! Right when I started?

I have also posted my email addy on this forum, so even that isn't new.

I don't know how your crazy mind works, but what did you really think you were accomplishing?

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:12

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:18

You must be easily entertained, PIE. Nothing original about what you did as I already had disclosed it. You tried to suggest that you knew something others didn't and failed.

We both laughed, didn't we?

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:19

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 14:34

It doesn't matter. Everything that is spat back out here in some attempt to make people feel they are being watched is always something I have already posted here. I have never used my real name on the internet anywhere, but I wouldn't really care. I already posted yesterday that an OPF follower had used my email address to discover - gasp! That I make natural household products. He copied my posts and sent to them me. I can't imagine caring or expending the energy that way. But I knew you were trying to suggest something to others that wasn't true and that I had already disclosed. Yes, I sent you one small, to the point email. So be it. Nothing salacious or informative.

Besides, if I bore you so, you wouldn't put so much effort into me. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. You could always just ignore me.

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Gunthar2000

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:03

You are obsessed with this forum. You spend 24 hours a day on this forum and it's not healthy for you. Get a fuckin' life bitch!

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

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Trisha K.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:35

I thought you were deleting, Gunthar. Ok, now you are back to being the most foul, disgusting troll this site has ever seen.
Gunthar you cry all the time about abuse..........your world is a never ending circle.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 18:49

Gosh, you mean... it's healthy for ANYone?

Good for you, Gunther. I don't get your anger, but that is okay. Perhaps you should talk to YOUR therapist.

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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:20

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avogadno

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 18:10

"It's not a matter of being
It's not a matter of being low, PIE. You don't have anything to post. Interesting that you are low enough to mislead someone but not willing to post it even with my permission. Slippery ethics, dear."

--Of course she is changing her original posts so that if anyone checks out the link she appears to be saintly. It is one of her "tricks". Unfortunately for her, I saved them all.

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:35

I was very interested in the thread that was sent to me that mentioned my name no fewer than 48 times and almost got Anti a time out from the board. Otherwise, not really...

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:51

Was this the post? Gosh, it sounds just like my wonderfully educated self! Not. But it was an interesting article Avo posted and a reasoned response to it, PIE.

Re: Sedatives: Are they an AA Problem? 1948

by Huckleberry » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:36 pm

When I read the pamphlet, what I got out of it was AA's position of medical necessity and supervision. I saw words and phrases such as "greedy pharmacists", "dope peddlers", "illicit", "self-medicate". This doesn't suggest much participation from your doctor that knows of your situation. It argues against substitution or use to prolong effects or a binge. Seems consistent with what someone might say today.

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avogadno

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:14

"I still think my question for Avo is valid." ~Clara

There are no valid questions from you to me because you are nobody and nothing to me. Especially since on the basis of the rants of a cyber-stalker and other various generalizations you called me a liar. Mind your business, keep your side of the street clean..... Accountability? lol. That's the beauty of not being a stepper. I answer to myself. Perhaps my loved ones and friends, and they support my choices.

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Clara

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:34

I am sorry that you feel this way, Avo, as none of my opinion is formed on anything but from what you yourself have posted on this board. And it hasn't changed from when you first posted your intent to go visit that shelter and lead the meeting.

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:46

"Accountability? lol. That's the beauty of not being a stepper. I answer to myself. Perhaps my loved ones and friends, and they support my choices."

avogadno, do you mean if you shot somebody with a pistol in "self defense" five times, you would only have yourself to answer to? I think you're suffering under a delusion of some sort. Even if your loved ones and friends stood behind you, don't you think you'd still have the law to answer to? Or would they all conspire to cover up the crime?

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patti

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 21:27

This is absurd. If you shoot someone in self defense you will also have to answer to the law. This is just ridiculous & irrelevant & doesn't have anything to do with anything on this post. You are grasping again.

patti

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becket

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 01:19

It was merely an example to illuminate the fact that, although avogadno feels she does not have to answer to anyone but herself, that simply is not the case.

It has everything to do with her post wherein she claimed, under some pretense of freedom, that she only has to answer to herself.

Get hip, patti.

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avogadno

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 02:01

It was obvious what I meant... as it related to sponsorship and other pushy programees that think they should be involved in all decision making about others in the program. I realize that you were pointing out a technicality which doesn't surprise me, but I think e1 got it.

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becket

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:37

"Accountability? lol. That's the beauty of not being a stepper. I answer to myself. Perhaps my loved ones and friends, and they support my choices."

Do you understand what a blanket statement is? The breadth of your claim can extend to every choice you make, no matter what the issue. A blanket statement is a vague and noncommittal statement, in this case asserting a premise without providing a distinction as to what you are referencing. It is always better to be specific as often as possible. Don't assume people know what's in your mind.

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patti

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 19:25

Becket,
it wasn't an example. it was absurd & irrelevant regarding the posts on the forum. one person telling another that they do not have to answer to her. she wrote she only has to answer to herself & her family regarding her life. you are grasping & pointless & your so called example indicates glaringly your lunacy.

patti

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becket

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 20:46

patti: I didn't ask you, I asked avogadno to respond to her own post. You have enough inconsistencies is your own alleged "life philosophy" that were you to try to refine them it would keep you busy until your own great grandchildren meet their non/maker.

Lunacy? Mmm, don't think so, doll. Keep trying. And keep failing.

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:05

judging, opining, directing and dictating.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:26

PIE, do us all a favor and take your bullshit some where else. You people have opened yourself up to every single thing that will be coming your way. You have called me a rapist, stalker, molester, liar, pedophile, you have me calling Avo house ect.....
Now you are crying to Orange to help you. You started the underhanded mud slinging and now just like a 2 year old, you are blubbering to daddy, that you don't like it anymore.
Get this through your thick fucking head, Avo accused me of calling her house and threatening her son. I don't take that lightly.
So go cry to Orange, I hope you all email him but know this, what Avo did was unforgivable at this time.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

gigi

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:28

There is something deeply, fundamentally wrong with you, Trisha. Just fuckin' nuts.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:29

Trisha she didn't "excuse" you, she "accused" you. BIIIIIIIIIIIG difference.

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Persephone In Exile

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:12

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avogadno

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:30

blah blah blah, yadda yadda. I've never excused you or accused you! lol. The word "threatened" never once was mentioned, except for by you.

You are so bizarre. Constantly bringing this up and all of the other bullshit that was ever said by you or anyone else. Over and over again. Then, you blame everyone else for it and all the while claim not to be Danny. You are like the criminal that admits to all crimes whether he was the actual perp or not because he just lllllloves the attention.

Have a nice 4th and all that. You should really get out of the heat btw, your worsening.

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becket

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:27

Aren't you kinda wasting the same national holiday by taking them to task for it? Me, I don't care about the 4th of July. Bad music, screaming children, toxic hot dogs, in-law problems, boring parades. What's to love? Oh, freedom? The freedom to choose, without censure or reprimand, what we do with our holidays?

Hm.

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SandyB

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 14:31

12 and a half hours sober

I'm the most important person in this thread

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avogadno

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 16:17

lolol, lmao!

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