Argument Number 2?

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Submitted by NoAAUK on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:02

And once we have finished arguing about Step 1 and once again established that it is the first lying scaremongering doctrine of the lying scaremongering predator cult of Alcoholics Anonymous, lets move on to the first Chapter of 'More Revealed' the chapter entitled 'In the Beginning'

http://www.morerevealed.com/mr/brief-aa-history.html

To quote the relevant extract:-

In 1939, shortly after its founding, Alcoholics Anonymous was in debt and its membership broke. Hope for the organization’s financial stability was pinned to the sale of their newly-published book; “Alcoholics Anonymous.” A small group of early AA members, including cofounder Bill Wilson, were discussing what to do. Morgan, a new member, had an idea. He had connections in the media from his days as an advertising man. He could arrange for an interview on a popular nationwide radio program. As the AA literature tells it,

“[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released asylum inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard experience told us this was a real possibility. How could such a calamity be averted?

Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of salesman Henry’s wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where we would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full faith now restored, sol­emn­ly de­clared that ‘God would provide.’ …Grum­bling loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several days we took turns staying with him right around the clock, never letting him get out of our sight …

Sighs of relief went up in every New York member’s home when Morgan’s voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a heart-stirring three minutes.”

Morgan told a tale of alcoholic ruin and of the recovery he and others had found in AA.

What went on there? The group was so afraid Morgan would go on a binge, they locked him up so he could go on the air to tell how they helped him recover from his drinking problem. If hard experience told them he was likely to get drunk, how good was his “recovery”? If they didn’t have faith in his sobriety, how much faith did they have in their program?"

So what actually did go on there? To start the argument I would like to suggest that this is just another example of the stepper cult lying on a large scale. Anyone like to tell me I am wrong and how they came to their assumption?

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:39

Alcoholics Anonymous had a "THREE" minute time slot with Gabriel Heatter on a radio show in 1939 and they are making a "big" thing about it? That is almost as good as claiming that Bill Wilson and the nazi sympathizer and spiritualist Carl Jung were good friends and sent many letters to each other.

"I thank heaven for a man like Adolf Hitler, who built a front line of defense against the anti-Christ of Communism." - Frank Buchman of the Oxford Group who inspired Bill Wilson to make his cult.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:54

What is the "BIG DEAL" about a little blurb?

"WE THE PEOPLE"

HEATTER:
The man beside me now has had one of the most gripping and dramatic experiences I've ever heard. I'm not going to tell you his name. And when you hear what he has to say I think you'll understand why. But after checking the facts the Listeners Committee of "We The People" decided to grant him time because they feel that if one person is helped by hearing his story, then WE THE PEOPLE will have done a real service. Alright, sir.

ANONYMOUS GUEST:
Six months ago I got out of an insane asylum. I'd been sent there because I was drinking myself to death. But the doctors said they could do nothing for me. And only four years ago I was making 20,000 dollars a year. I was married to a swell girl and had a young son. But I worked hard and like lots of my friends - I used to drink to relax. Only they knew when to stop. I didn't. And pretty soon - I drank myself out of my job. I promised my wife I'd straighten out. But I couldn't. Finally she took the baby and left me.

The next year was like a nightmare. I was penniless. I went out on the streets - panhandled money for liquor. Every time I sobered up - I swore not to touch another drop. But if I went a few hours without a drink - I'd begin to cry like a baby, and tremble all over. One day after I left the asylum I met a friend of mine. He took me to the home of one of his friends. A bunch of men were sitting around, smoking cigars, telling jokes - having a great time. But I noticed they weren't drinking. When Tom told me they'd all been in the same boat as I was - I couldn't believe him. But he said, "See that fellow? He's a doctor. Drank himself out of his practice. Then he straightened out. Now he's head of a big hospital." Another big strapping fellow was a grocery clerk. Another the vice president of a big corporation. They got together five years ago. Called themselves Alcoholics Anonymous. And they'd worked out a method of recovery. One of their most important secrets was - helping the other fellow. Once they began to follow it the method proved successful and helped others get on their feet - they found they could stay away from liquor.

Gradually - those men helped me back to life. I stopped drinking. Found courage to face life once again. Today I've got a job - and I'm going to climb back to success. Recently we wrote a book called "Alcoholics Anonymous". It tells precisely how we all came back from a living death. Working on that book made me realize how much other people had suffered - how they'd gone through the same thing I did. That's why I wanted to come on this program. I wanted to tell people who are going through that torment - if they sincerely want to, they can come back. Take their place in society once again!

(APPLAUSE)
(MUSIC)

Source: http://www.barefootsworld.net/aawethepeople.html

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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SandyB

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 12:31

I usually lose a crowd after I tell them I'm 6 months out of an insane asylum

My how times have changed

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:43

"And they'd worked out a method of recovery. One of their most important secrets was - helping the other fellow."

Are they talking about locking people up?

"Today I've got a job"

How did he keep that job if they kept locking him up to keep him sober, did he work from home....with the doors locked?

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 05:59

So Morgan didn't drink and the rest is history.

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:28

"So Morgan didn't drink and the rest is history."

Lock people up and they won't drink, the point is AA's program doesn't work and that is the history

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:12

Proof that Alcoholics Anonymous from the very start actively recruited from jails, prisons and insane asylums. Which one did you come from hater of the survivors of AA?

P.S. Get help, your only one notch below the mentality of Danny, the Spiritual manipulator of Elan School in Poland, Maine.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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alkieanon

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:48

No recruiting involved. They just walk right in and sit right down. Looking for help and finding help. Surviving despite it all. Still alive and kicking. Helping others. And rising above the hate of OPF.
"Those who spread hate, are the doormen for evil. Don't bite the flamebait that leads to hate."
"Do you think I'd crumble.
Did you think I'd lay down and die?
Oh no, not I. I will survive."

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:31

"No recruiting involved. "

So what was Morgans lying radio broadcast.......Proof that AA started activley using deceptive recruitment scams 77 years ago

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 06:04

Works every time.

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JR Harris

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 06:10

Yes the recovery from the cult of AA does have hope, they usually kill those that don't join. Sick little puppies. The worst thing is that the survivors of AA keep getting attacked by AA mercenaries trying to bring them back and bringing slogans, sexual innuendo's and try to pull this narcissistic superiority complex on everyone.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 07:49

It is the late 20's and early 30's here in America. Where do you think they were putting alcoholics and drug addicts at that time. Do your research!! Of course they were going "jails, prisons and insane asylums".

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

disclosure

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:40

I went to AA and listend to the crap, that was insane.
Step #2 complete.
I am a grateful survivor of AA.

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:35

"I went to AA and listend to the crap, that was insane."

For a time I used to lie on my back listening for work orders from God trying to do step 11...........that was totally insane.........................thank God I didn't hear any voices or I would have been officially Bonkers

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 06:08

disclosure says: "I went to AA .... I am a grateful survivor ...."
So if you hadn't gone to AA, then you wouldn't have survived.

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Trisha K.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:04

Exactly the point!!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:08

None of the steppers will after you gave up all of that information about clara to try and infiltrate the "secret Orange Papers forum", don't you realize that?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:10

I don't expect becket, Clara, Billy, Jj, Alkie or Clara to respond to anything I say, whether it be in agreement with them or just giving them a confirmation on a good point. My actions here do not depend upon being recognized, JR. But, you on the other hand, we all understand that your whole reason for being here is to fill a gaping hole. I do hope that sometime soon you come understand vengeance will never allow this scar to heal. All you are doing is picking the scab open everyday with dirty fingernails.
This other business you keep blathering about, like it is supposed to impress people here, is just nonsense. Nobody including myself has any idea what the hell you are talking about.
JR, do us all a favor, seek some help for the paranoia you suffer from.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 12:14

"So if you hadn't gone to AA, then you wouldn't have survived"

There be no lying scaremongering cult BS or predators to survive if you didn't go to AA

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Trisha K.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 07:52

disclosure, thanks for sharing.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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becket

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 12:46

"survivors of AA" - how colorful, how dramatic, how inflated and overblown. The argument could be made that you have not "survived" anything because you are still willingly attached to the placenta that keeps your paranoia and suspicion and contempt alive.

Birth and autonomy are good things. Allow for the good things.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 14:39

Death & cult indoctrination are bad things. Very bad things beclit, you twit!

The purpose of the argument is to educate the AA newcomers, the public and staunch 12 steppers that the 12 steps of the 1930's are outdated and harmful.

becket, allow for change bro.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

disclosure

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:44

What about your little placenta metaphor? Can anyone in AA speak without using metaphors to make a point?

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becket

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:28

Are you asking permission?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

disclosure

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 09:03

You have permission to use it...

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:52

Alive and kicking are very good things. Must be a reason for that ....

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Trisha K.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:12

@Ifod- "Death & cult indoctrination are bad things. Very bad things [ beclit,} you twit!"

When did it become necessary to behave as a MISOGYNIST. Knock it off, it isn't OK to address a women in such a manner.
also
When are we going to stop with the dungeons and dragons bullshit.

"The purpose of the argument is to educate the AA newcomers, the public and staunch 12 steppers that the 12 steps of the 1930's are outdated and harmful".

Lmao..............................WTF!!!

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

disclosure

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:39

Rarely have we seen...
Jails, institutions, death...
There but for the grace of God go I...
I came in with many “yets”...
I got my wife back, my kids back, my job back...
It’s a terrible progressive disease...
Stay in the center of the herd...
We’ll love you till you love yourself...
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alkieanon

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:50

And on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on, and, on, and on, and on. LOL!

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Clara

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 08:36

Not everyone got the wife and kids back. In fact, AA helped some people realize that moving on alone or with someone else was healthier and better.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 12:18

If a stepper cult improves your life then you really must have had a sad life before

What a sad way to spend your time, parroting BS in a stepper cult

I'm starting to feel sorry for you clara

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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avogadno

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 20:39

Either way I know that I'll never go back. I won't go to any other support group for substance abuse either. I don't like groups of people, that kind of sharing. Kind of gives me anxiety. I'm beyond any positive aspect that one might have had in the past. For me.

Pro Empowerment!
Truth about AA: http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
Expose AA: http://www.expaa.org/

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:18

So why did they have to lock Morgan up before his radio broadcast?

Have you ever answered a bloody question? All I can ever recall is you insulting people

But what else can you expect from a stepper......satans elite cult

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:22

Morgan who?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:50

Morgan who?

That stepper idiot they had to lock up to keep sober so he could go on the radio and tell everbody how AA had kept him sober.............you steppers wouldn't know the truth if if bit your Asses

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:49

"The argument could be made that you have not "survived" anything because you are still willingly attached to the placenta that keeps your paranoia and suspicion and contempt alive."

On the other hand we might just be trying to assist people to leave your death cult before suicidal thoughts become more than dark despairing thoughts. Maybe we don't want others to suffer as we suffered.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:15

I repeat the point of the post, this is just another example of the stepper cult lying on a large scale ie on radio. They had to lock Morgan up so he didn't get pissed and show the listeners exactly how useless AA's program is. What a bunch of worthless scum AA has always been, right from its inception. At least AA has always been consistent.

Alcoholics Anonymous........Useless, lying, scarmongering, predatory, death cult. AA must be the most proven totally useless death cult of all time. Its an embarrassment to the integrity of mankind that this collection of subhumans is actually allowed to exist and these scum who promote such filth are allowed to walk free to pollute the human race.

Throughout history much evil has been done in the name of God, but surly this degenerate collection of deviants and sexual predators are taking heresy to highest levels of blasphemy ever attained

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:35

Bad writing.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 02:47

"Bad writing"

Steppism is a bad thing to write about.............very BAD

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

Anthro

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 07:07

Maybe if the cult had kept it just as simple as Morgan stated:

"One of their most important secrets was - helping the other fellow" and left all the religion, coercion, blackmail, medical influence, judicial and legal influence OUT of the mix, we'd be looking at a different kind of society today and people like me wouldn't have had to escape and become a survior of AA

Anthro