AA suicides

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Submitted by jonnijoy on Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:48

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I was just looking around anti AA sites and found out that over at leaving AA.com they had made an ex stepper named Ryan, who committed suicide another casualty of AA. It just blows my mind how someone who spent 2 years in AA but was out of the program longer took his life because of his involvement with AA. She also let everybody know that his sister committed suicide also, before him and had no affiliation with AA. This is really sick, coming from somebody who admittedly has 36 years in AA and is currently married to a stepper. How can you possibly blame someone like this who obviously had a serious problem with depression on AA, so many years later? Thoughts

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:57

Why do you dislike El Paso AA so much and think they are of "lower class?" You even said that if you had gone to El Paso AA before Myrtle Beach AA you never would have made it to your level of serenity. Whay is the makeup of EL Paso AA?

By the way Fred G. says hi and also said you should be going to jails and prisons more to recruit new prospects since you are not working and just posting all day on the Internet.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

gigi

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:59

I think the amount of words that you're putting into defending yourself on this one topic is suspicious. But, no matter.
BTW, the 'How am I funny?' question was rhetorical...remember the movie Goodfella's? I was just amusing myself.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Clara

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:02

It's not a defense. It just wasn't necessary to try to read something into something that was never there. Of course, that is what passes for conversation on this blog, but I find the characterization to be obnoxious and wrong.

C'mon, you said it for effect, so why argue with what you got?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:10

It's called DENIAL Clara, why do you feel "gifted" over other races. Mexican's are predominately Christian, Jewish people are usually considered "Caucasian", Muslims are another race. Why would you you discriminate against them and call them lower class? I am sure El Paso AA and the meeting in New Mexico have all of these compositions.

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:30

For fuck's sake let it go.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

gigi

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:13

"but I find the characterization to be obnoxious and wrong. "

...because this is precisely how I feel about the majority of what you post.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Clara

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:28

There is nothing compelling you to reply, Gigi!

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:09

While I may be spending a little more time researching and exposing in the El Paso Texas area, I still hit California and a few others. The cult of Alcoholics Anonymous isn't just in El Paso Texas and Myrtle Beach, the cockroaches have spread all over the world like alcoholic flies on crab bisque soup.

Do you know of any good hotels in El Paso? I need to make a reservation for July 4th.

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:57

"Take your pick on the left hand side, the cult of AA is global"

Well then, you're screwed, dude.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 08:57

AA,
there you go with that AA rap & intended insult & belittlement "hater". Its okay to hate something AA, its part of the human condition & can be & is a healthy & productive emotion. Hating AA is a good thing, somebody has to do it & plenty do. There will continue to be more & more haters & more & more ex members & quitters. Eventually the cult will shrivel into an ugly & embarrassing has been.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 12:53

Hate is never healthy, doll. Action is healthy. Get fuckin busy and quit bellyaching.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 14:18

hate is never healthy according to you. you are wrong about that.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:55

You show me an instance in which pure, genuine hate -not bitterness or discontentment or disenfranchisement or anger - ever made anything better. Remember, you have to have a working definition of "hate". You do understand that hate jeopardizes human health, right?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:14

you might want to consider taking your own advise regarding hate & health. you are just being combative as usual. you are well aware that hate is a powerful force & has been productive in many instances. MADD was fueled by hate. The Moms were outraged & very angry & they hated that drunks were driving & killing & hurting people. Look @ what their hate fueled & accomplished. Now tell me that I'm wrong & that I have to comply with your next demands.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:58

You're saying MADD was born of hate? You're sick. It was born of loss and grief. But you probably only believe humans have two emotional states: love and hate. Black/white. Yes/no. On/off.

If you read about Candy Lightner you won't find any mention of hate in her story. Grief and hate are not the same thing.

You show me an instance in which pure, genuine hate -not bitterness or discontentment or disenfranchisement or anger - ever made anything better. CAN YOU DO IT?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:56

By David Edwards

Friday, February 25, 2011 10:15 EDT

Officers in Gainesville, Florida recently arrested a former president of a Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) group, and charged her with driving under the influence of alcohol.

Police said Debra Oberlin, 48, failed a field sobriety test, registering .234 and .239 blood-alcohol level. The legal limit for driving in Florida is .08.

An officer pulled over Oberlin on Feb. 18 at 1:10 am, after she was seen “driving erratically on Northwest 19th Street, swerving and crossing lanes,” The Gainesville Sun reported.

“The officer wrote that Oberlin smelled of alcohol and had watery, bloodshot and dilated eyes. The report states that Oberlin told the officer she had four beers.”

The MADD chapter in Gainesville, where Oberlin was president for three years, closed in 1996 for financial reasons.

Oberlin, now a realtor, had no comment.

Source:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/25/former-president-of-madd-chapter-bus...

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 20:01

There isn't a group or a company or an organization or a corporation in this country that does not have drunks in it. What's your point? Are you trying to say that MADD causes suicide, or that MADD members stand around chanting about their dead loved ones, or that MADD isn't legit because there are some who put their personal weaknesses ahead of the mission of the group? What?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:58

Becket
you just want to argue & I really have something else to do. MADD is well known for being fueled by hate & you know it. Do you really think you need to write that hate & grief are not the same thing? Everyone knows that part of the grieving process is anger over loss. The Mothers in MADD were angry & outraged & they hated that drunk drivers were only getting a wrist slap & they acted upon their hate & created their group. You may notice the letters MADD they were angry & mad & outraged & these emotions along with hatred fueled their actions & efforts. Split hairs all you want & do what you have to do. I'm tired of you & I'm sure that isn't the first time you have caused that reaction from a person.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 20:03

You, dear, are PACKED full of shit. Read the story of the genesis of MADD. I'm not the one splitting hairs, doll. You're looking for factual redemption in the wrong place.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 20:19

You have at least 2.5 million people zoning in on your comments monthly and it will probably be 3 million this month.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:47

That's perfect! Three million pairs of eyes on patti's ignorance? I can dig it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:52

You know that AA members aren't supposed to get in controversy per instructions from AAWS at the Interchurch don't you?

AA Tradition 10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy.

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:17

Can you find another way to make this point, JR Harris? I can only find three separate phrasings in your post above. Isn't there another way to say it? Or maybe 20 other ways to say it?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 05:42

Becket,
you need to try to keep in mind that everything you write is according to you & in your mind only. You just don't get how whacked & angry & crazy you are on this forum. You do more to promote fleeing from AA than any x stepper ever could.

patti

patti

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 05:11

Becket
again according to you. Its three simple words when you are involved "CONSIDER THE SOURCE". You live in Becket world & AA world & I don't.

patti

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:45

I do not live in AA world, patti, but I am very familiar with the program. AA does not color my every thought and decision. As you know, no AA would come onto a public forum and call you a moronic asshole or shine a light on your ridiculously narrow, rigid viewpoints.

I do consider the source when I'm reading your posts. I think you have some real living to do before you can draw any non-inflammatory conclusions about AA. You are so wrapped up in the machinations of a dead man that you can't move on and find anything good to say, even about not using. To you, everyone who has not shuttered AA is your most vile enemy. It's ridiculous. I would not venture a guess as to where you live, but the facts of your existence disinterest me. As long as the ignorance flows I'll counter it. As to the other details, meh.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 06:24

patti,
there you go with that anti-AA rap & intended insult & belittlement "accuser". Its okay to love something AA, its part of the human condition & can be & is a healthy & productive emotion. Loving AA is a good thing, somebody has to do it & plenty do. There will continue to be more & more lovers & more & more members & joiners. Eventually the fellowship will grow into a better caring & sharing organization.

AA

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 06:28

Yes, you kill off the ones that do not "love" AA and what do you have left? Don't they do that in the political arenas of third world countries?

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:49

Who kills off the ones that do not love AA? Please have your pacemaker checked, JR Harris. Seems the oxygen isn't making it to your brain.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 10:52

Becket, you have become slow, lass. I thought that my first day here...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:02

Are you drinking again Clara? Sherry and crab bisque soup relapse maybe? Where is the best crab bisque soup to get in El Paso Texas?

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:15

I can barely keep up Clara - I'm nearly as old and dead as Bill Wilson, you know.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:41

Not nearly, dear...

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:50

You claim to be a "minority" in El Paso AA. Is that why you drunk post all day here instead of going to meetings? Is Myrtle Beach the correct lineage? Which majority don't you like in El Paso AA? Why is your name tied to SIOA (Danny told me by the way)?

Also your Harley isn't American, it is AMF, get a real American Bike and a real American car, that Mazda just doesn't do it.

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 13:48

Clara and her husband need a pair of bobbers. Tie In: Anyone inside or outside of AA could drop a bobber deliberately at high speed if suicide was on his mind, and it wouldn't not be attributable to AA.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 14:02

But they are in luck.

http://www.askedu.net/city_usa/El_Paso/Cultural_Diversity_1.htm

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becket

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 15:35

There is no better place for diversity training than a place where one is an ethnic minority. And speaking of diversity training, dude, how's your rainbow flag holding up? How's your open mind hangin?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 12:35

JR Harris, your arguments are banal to the point where they qualify as lullabies.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

Sue

Sun, 06/24/2012 - 22:35

Jonnijoy made the following statements about Ryan:

"She (massive) also let everybody know that his sister committed suicide also, before him and had no affiliation with AA.
He was anti along time. He was in the anti AA clan longer than he was in AA. When he committed suicide he was actively posting on leaving AA .com. He had been for years."

JJ Boy, The only statement that is true is that his sister committed suicide before him. She was in fact, affiliated with AA. Everything else that you have claimed above is NOT TRUE. Do you just fabricate BS when you have nothing better to do.

Im not affected by any of the other negative, unnecessary comments being said; because I know that Ryan would consider the sources.

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jonnijoy

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 06:34

Little boy sue why don't you be a dear and show us 1 post from Ryan claiming his sister was in aa. I want to see it to make sure your not lying. I used to read ryans posts all the time at st. I don't recall him saying that. And as far as me lying that's bs. Show me the lie.

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JR Harris

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 06:44

I can tell that you have reached a spiritual plane of humility, serenity and compassion through following the 12 Steps Bill Wilson in all of your affairs.

DOES ANYONE REALLY WANT WHAT HE HAS?

I'm glad that I don't live anywhere near your coven of Bill Wilson chanters.........

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Trisha K.

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 08:48

You're the only one standing outside in the rain.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 12:55

Does it matter whether anyone really wants what he has? He has it, it's enough for him. Why compare your sorry, loopy life to anyone else's . . . unless you're looking for something better?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:10

this is only in your mind Trish. No one wants what any of you have. No one is standing out in the rain away from you or what you or any one else has. Not wanted. You should be used to it by now.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 12:56

What's your point, patti? And please buy a grammar book.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 13:41

I am one of the worst grammatically, on this site. But compared to you I am starting to read like I am becket....:)
Highest compliment my dear, becket.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 15:50

Oh Becket
grammar isn't necessary in my life or occupation. its unimportant in today's world & it along with handwriting is being eliminated from grammar school curriculum.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 16:04

Grammar is important in all communication, and if you can't groom yourself to speak with clarity then we can only surmise that you are equally indolent in all other areas of endeavor.

If grammar is stupid, so is clarity. If clarity is stupid, so is communication. If communication is stupid, you are left with weapons. Weapons as instruments of survival are one thing. Weapons as instruments of communication are - like ignorance - intolerable.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 16:42

According to you Becket. As far as I know you are the only member of Becket world. You can't actually believe that you have any impact on me whatsoever. You are just an annoying control freak gnat. Good night.

patti

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becket

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:56

You obviously don't get out much, eh patti?

And your job, the one where you don't need grammar or intelligence: do you scrape gum off the subway grates for a living?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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