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For some reason I always thought that I owed people explanations without realizing that most anything about me wasn't their business. This came up at a recent meeting when we were taking about how we often feltwe had to be the end all to everyone, unable to say no to their requests, and then being resentful that we didn't. It was wonderful to learn that I didn't owe people explanations, their opinion of me had nothing to do with who or what I am, and there you have it.

I had this great group of women around me that became the types of sisters that I didn't have and mentors to me in so many ways. Much of what I came to learn were just things that others had access to earlier in their lives.

'Hits are nothing unless the people behind them become visible.' I've been checking in nearly every day for quite a few weeks, but the rough and tumble that goes on in here is a bit scary. Don't fancy having my experience invalidated or ripped apart, particularly after I found relief and validation in reading OP.

AA/12 step ThinkSpeak© "treatment" for alcohol abuse has a proven overall success rate of 3-5%. Some say AA even has a 0% success rate, maybe even negative.

Most people recover own their own, with no treatment whatsoever. AA/12 steps don't won't people to know this. If this information became widely known the revenue stream for the ineffective AA/12 step "treatment" programs would shrivel to a trickle.

Self-recovery, natural recovery, spontaneous remission-these are all terms that describe the 70% plus of substance abusers that quit on their own, with NO treatment.

"This study, known as the National Longitudinal Alcohol Epidemiologic Survey, indicates first that treatment is not a cure-all, and second that it is not necessary. The vast majority of Americans who were alcohol dependent, about three-quarters, never underwent treatment. And fewer of them were abusing alcohol than were those who were treated."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200407/the-surprising-truth-abou...

For TRish, I know this is hard for you to comprehend with all those voices in your head, but try to focus here. "about three-quarters" = 75%.

That is to say TRish, that about 75% of substance abusers quit on their own.

For CLar, you said previously that you had never heard of "natural recovery". I am not surprised, being a fully indoctrinated AA/12 stepper. AA does not want you to know.

For judge becker, who has not been to an AA meeting for 20+ years, and has admitted publicly, on this very forum, that the 12 steps are not keeping him sober, and that what got him sober was discipline and structure. The becker needed to be controlled by structure and discipline (a cult).

My renewed relationship with my sister. It is one of several. Cleaning up my act and repairing my life, and becoming something a wonderful man with no agenda, nothing to use, abuse or misued is another.

I knew all along. Now get your butt back to your site.

is jojosan you?

JoJoSan
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 09:00
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Ewwwww Sue.
Your nasty.
I am your relapse.

With friends like you Massive
He never stood a chance.....
I am your relapse.

JoJoSan
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 09:28
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I tried to listen to her radio show...
One huge Anti Sanity - Anti AA bullshit trip.... hanging out with a fruit cake guru like her would lead anyone to suicide...
She is worse than Bill Wilson.....
At least Bill Wilson was a genuine bona-fide fraud.
She is just an idiot with opinions and no solutions.
"I take it you come from...." - idiot is as idiot does - stupid fuck hole.
I am your relapse.

JoJoSan
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 09:33
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At least they are picking up shit instead of spreading it....
When was the last time you went and did anything about the rubbish hippy?
I am your relapse.

JoJoSan
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 04:07
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The trouble with you idiots is....
You don't know HOW or WHY he died.....
He could have been having a swim and had a heart attack or a stroke or an annurism...
Fuck knows?
"OHhhh AA is a failure because ONE of the former AA members was found DEAD in a POOL!
Fucking idiots.
I am your relapse.
JoJoSan
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 07:23
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Why don't you all fuck off...
Especially you Patty - you talk shit.
Dumbest fuck of the lot.
I am your relapse.

All you do it regurgitate AA dogma for an answer to everything. This thread is not about the slogan "it works if you work it" or "it worked for me." Get a life and hopefully a cult free one.

Now go back to El Paso AA and hold the signing of court cards over peoples head like a good little crap slurping soup narcissist. Maybe you should go the the AA Central Office Steering Committee meetings at the Central Office the 2nd Thursday of every month at 6:00 p.m. in AA Area 66, District 10 El Paso, Texas and tell them how to handle court mandated prospects.

http://www.aaelpaso.org/Events%20&%20Information.html

Interestingly, members of FAA (Fear Alcoholics Anonymous) also chant everything Bill Wilson because they believe they are nobly re-directing and saving the vulnerable. When that tactic loses impact they fabricate other organizations to fear, such as McDonald's (FMcD) and Walmart (FWM). Then they go about flooding outlets with sketchy, unrelated "reports" of crimes which have allegedly taken place at various McDonalds (FMcD!) and Walmart (FWM!!) locations in a hollow attempt to draw some correlation between these incidents and Bill Wilson, who has been dead and buried since 1971. When that doesn't carry the weight they would hope for, they hide behind the "jails, institutions and death" mantra or the "prospecting hunting" scenario, in order to construct exemption from sharing any legitimate experiences that someone - anyone - might actually identify with. They believe "indoctrination" into the AA mindset takes place where one might least expect it - in casual conversation at a bus stop, in the board room - you name it: no one can escape the tentacles of AA, as FAA, or Fear Alcoholics Anonymous would have you believe.

"No one is safe. You are all going to die chanting 'We realize we know only a little . . . we realize we know only a little,'" as if there is something dishonorable or shameful in admitting there is more to be learned. The final concepts anyone should adopt, as a member of FAA, is that there is nothing more to be learned, and that blanket distrust of all things AA is compulsory. Let the mind-shuttering begin.