Carl Jung is often touted by the AA faithful cult members as agreeing with Bill Wilson and his plans to make the "Secret Society" of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). Who was Carl Jung and what was his agenda?
Much has been said about the "work" of Carl Jung, but is it all good? Did Carl Jung start his own mind control cult? Did Carl Jung, believe in the Occult practices like Bill Wilson of Alcoholics Anonymous Infamy? Why would the AA faithful even want to be associated with him? Do a little research and you will find a surprise!
"The Jung Cult : Origins of a Charismatic Movement" (ISBN-13: 978-0684834238)
"The Aryan Christ: The Secret Life of Carl Jung" (ISBN-13: 978-0679449454)
"Cult Fictions: C. G. Jung and the Founding of Analytical Psychology" (ISBN-13: 978-0415186148)
"Jung Stripped Bare: By His Biographers, Even" (ISBN-13: 978-1855753174)
"Jung the Mystic: The Esoteric Dimensions of Carl Jung's Life and Teachings " (ISBN-13: 978-1585427925)
Then of course we have the Jungian Manifesto called "The Red Book", currently on sale at Amazon for a mere $118.70 (ISBN-10: 0393065677, ISBN-13: 978-0393065671)
The most influential unpublished work in the history of psychology. When Carl Jung embarked on an extended self-exploration he called his “confrontation with the unconscious,” the heart of it was The Red Book, a large, illuminated volume he created between 1914 and 1930. Here he developed his principle theories—of the archetypes, the collective unconscious, and the process of individuation—that transformed psychotherapy from a practice concerned with treatment of the sick into a means for higher development of the personality.
While Jung considered The Red Book to be his most important work, only a handful of people have ever seen it. Now, in a complete facsimile and translation, it is available to scholars and the general public. It is an astonishing example of calligraphy and art on a par with The Book of Kells and the illuminated manuscripts of William Blake. This publication of The Red Book is a watershed that will cast new light on the making of modern psychology.
Does anyone know if Carl Jung has any ties to Aldus Huxley, Gerald Heard and Jim Jones of the People's Temple of the Koolaid confession ritual and what they are?
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JR Harris
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 08:29
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What is "The Book of Kells" and who is Michael Travesser?
What are the links to the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous?
The End of the World Cult - http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/the-end-of-the-world-cult-video_f63906...
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avogadno
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 10:09
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Surprisingly there are many
Surprisingly there are many conspiracy's associated with Carl Jung he affiliated himself with several movements including the rage over LSD
Pro Empowerment!
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JR Harris
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 11:55
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Jungian Paganism, Freud and the Jews - Nazi views?
http://people.wku.edu/jan.garrett/jung_talk.htm
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alkieanon
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:06
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A Much Better Story
"The Clever Devils Concoct the Master Plan"
The following story is meant as a parable. A parable in this sense is not like a fable of Aesop. It will not explicitly tell you its moral. It hopes to provoke thought and to promote understanding indirectly. Readers must interpret the parable themselves. There may be more than one satisfactory interpretation.
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"Not a big problem," said Sofismo. "Our local agents can ridicule as a conspiracy theorist anyone who points this out. Our tools in the universities can say that the global trading and financing schemes just evolved by trial and error. They can claim that these schemes were never designed by anybody or any committee. After all, no human being has ever attended one of our meetings. As powerful and destructive as we are, nobody has ever seen us. A few folks might decipher how we run the world, but they are handicapped by their lack of belief in devils, which they label superstition. On the other hand, humans who do believe in devils never think of us operating on a truly grand scale. They imagine us tempting people to engage in premarital sex, have abortions, smoke pot, or plagiarize term papers. They do not realize that real devils have much bigger fish to fry."
http://www.wku.edu/~jan.garrett/parables/clvrdvls.htm
JR Harris
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 11:18
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Anti-Christian Roots of Carl Jung - AA uses him as a reference
Source: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/nathan/jung.htm
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Anthro
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 13:28
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Jungian fecal matter
Jung broke from Freud over a number of differences but mainly over his mysticism. I never bothered reading much of Jung - and Fromm, Horney, Adler didn't refer to his work much. Neither did the great humanist philosopher psychiatrist Thomas Szasz who seems to know whose who in the whole evolution of psychoanalysis/psychiatry. Mortimore Adler use to be called "the poor man's philosopher" and I bet someone at one time called Jung "the drunken bums philosopher".
Anthro
alkieanon
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:26
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The Gesture
Anthro says: "... I bet someone at one time called Jung "the drunken bums philosopher"." Yes, you just did. And "there is more than meets the eye" regarding Jung.
JR Harris
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:50
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Dig deeper, look for "community control"
There is a lot more than meets the eye with Carl Junk. Who does he see as the "master race" and why..... dig deeper.
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alkieanon
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 22:27
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Dig deeper, look for "Collective Unconscious"
There is a lot more than meets the eye with Carl Jung. Who does he see as the "Wise Old Man" and why..... dig deeper.
JR Harris
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 11:24
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"Collective Unconscious" was the "superior" German race
Jung claimed the Jewish race was inferior. Carl Jung was a Nazi sympathizer and believed the Aryan German race was a master race. Did deeper... I have provided links to this information above, you have provided nothing.
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alkieanon
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 21:05
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Opinions, Not Facts
JR Harris says: "Did deeper... I have provided links to this information above, you have provided nothing." You have provided links to opinions, not facts, you have provided nothing.
JR Harris
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:12
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Carl Jung, Satanism Hitler's Nazi era and Tavistock Institute
Dr. D. Russell discusses the infiltration and agenda of satanic mind control and it's connection to the MBTI, Carl Jung, Hitler's Nazi era and the Tavistock Institute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKp_FZNr_Ag
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alkieanon
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:30
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DRusseII says:
"Jung isn't satan & I never said he is. In your ignorance you fail to know Jung himself said he was heavily involved with the occult and claimed to have gotten his personality typology from his spirit demon guide named philemon. That comes from Jungs own writings. And you're blocked. If you can't discuss like a normal human being and without your extremely limited vocabulary using words like "retarded" and cussing then you are not wanted here. If you need a tool, try using a thesaurus."
LOL!
Anthro
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 22:20
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Jung fecal matter
" his earlier studies of association tests and of dementia praecox were followed by an attempt to classify types of personality and by the gradual development not only of a theory of the collective unconscious but also of the implications of that theory for the study of culture and especially for the study of mythology and religion".....ummm, very interesting....goes on to define four functions of personality and when we get to intuition, Jung felt it to be "the perception of realities which are not consciously perceived; it worked spontaneously for the solution of problems which cannot be grasped rationally" ....ummm. very interesting....
oh my...it says here that Jung held "a loss of belief in gods and demons {which came with increase in scientific understanding} has produced a lack of awareness of the powers within human nature. Modern man is thus specially a prey to psychological disorders"!
So Jung thought we were better off when we believed that the thunder was the voice of gods!!
"it follows that men have a strong need for religious beliefs and experiences, since in religious form they are able to encounter and accept the contents of the collective unconscious. Religious beliefs, Jung conceded, cannot be shown to be true; but he held that they cannot be shown to be false, either. Whether to believe or not is thus a matter of choice, on purely pragmatic grounds. Jung regarded with deep suspicion, as essentially one-sided and distorting, the rationalist traditions of scientific thought. Indeed, he dated the disorientation of modern man partly from the original christard break with paganism, but more importantly from the Enlightment". Like I said, Jung fecal matter.
The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, vol. 3 & 4, McMillian Free Press, 1972 pgs. 294-296
Anthro
alkieanon
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 22:30
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Thunder Cats
Anthro says: "So Jung thought we were better off when we believed that the thunder was the voice of gods!!" LOL!
JR Harris
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 15:22
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The Jan 30, 1961 letter from Carl Jung to Bill Wilson about "God
Source: http://a-1associates.com/aa/LETTERS%20ETC/Carl%20Jung%20Letter.htm
Carl Gustav Jung (26 July 1875 – 6 June 1961)
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becket
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 15:47
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What is the point of posting
What is the point of posting this, JR Harris?
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
JR Harris
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 15:51
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That should be a simple answer. Look at the title.....
"Carl Jung, the cultist that made Bill Wilson, the man behind the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous proud of "ONE" letter "
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alkieanon
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 21:12
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The Letter
JR Harris says: "That should be a simple answer." Trying to deny that there was a letter and a reply?
JR Harris
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:36
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Actually this documents the ONE letter that Bill was proud of
The letter was dated January 30, 1961 and Carl Jung died June 6,1961. It was in response to a letter sent from the occultist Bill Wilson to the occultist Carl Jung on January 23, 1961. Jung was obsessed with his own cult following and it is actually good that a synergy between the two occultists did not take place, but Bill Wilson was hoping it would. The resulting synergy from the narcissistic Bill Wilson and the divisive tactics of Carl Jung in segmenting the population into a "Brave New World" LSD enhanced visionary ideas of Aldous Huxley into a master race of Bill Wilson chanters could have been very devastating.
Source: http://aatradition.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/bill-wilson-carl-jung-letters....
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alkieanon
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 22:05
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The Letter
JR Harris says: "Actually this documents the ONE letter that Bill was proud of" Trying to speculate on the importance of a single letter and reply?
JR Harris
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 22:13
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No, documenting the ONE letter and the time table
This isn't an AA meeting that happens one day at a time. The letters and their significance are very doubtful, but the AA faithful are trying to make something out of it for some reason and even have the letter framed at the Stepping Stones compound of the occultist Bill Wilson. Now try to add something substantial to the conversation will you.
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alkieanon
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 23:15
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Pen Pals
So Bill Wilson and Carl Jung were pen pals. Personal correspondence. And you're not part of the conversation.
alkieanon
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 06:09
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Complaining about the ONE letter
Sounds like "minimization". LOL!
Orange
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:08
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One letter
Actually, I think that the OP meant it in a different sense. I recently recieved a letter that claimed that Bill Wilson and Carl Jung carried on a "correspondence". But there has only been one letter from Carl Jung ever published. Are there more? If so, why are they not published?
One letter from Carl Jung that answered Bill Wilson's congratulatory note does not mean that Carl Jung acted as a mentor and guru for Bill Wilson, and helped to formulate the "philosophy" of Alcoholics Anonymous. Bill Wilson was just engaging in name-dropping when he wrote in the foreword to the Big Book that William James and Carl Jung were the philosophical inspiriations for A.A.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters286.html#Jung
becket
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:17
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Well, really, if it's the
Well, really, if it's the only letter he received from Jung, and he was proud of it, then it was the one letter from Jung he was proud of, not the one letter he was proud of. It's a small detail, but one which illustrates the dishonesty that continually comes from JR Harris.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Orange
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:16
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Carl Jung and Nazi sympathizing
If I were an A.A. evangelist, I would try hard to forget that Bill Wilson ever mentioned Carl Jung. Jung was notorious for his racist and Nazi sympathies. We've been over this before, so I won't just retype it all again:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters2.html#Carl_Jung