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Submitted by msafrany on Fri, 06/15/2012 - 17:15

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becket

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 19:15

Maybe you could call it "The Hater Translator".

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:33

"The Hater Translator".

There's a lot to HATE about a lying, misinforming, scaremongering cult that preys upon the scared, confused and vulnerable. Especially when it has killed two of your friends, two good people, who had a lot to offer the world.

History will one day declare that steppism was the worst thing that ever happened to problem drinkers/drug users and put treatment of these problems back years, for years. Its going to be a long haul but the Anti AA movement WILL win.......good will always triumph over evil in the end.

Down in the depths of Hell, wilson and the deviant doctor now know this

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:17

That's really interesting. Those of my friends who committed suicide did so by voluntarily slitting their wrists or taking too many pills or too much heroin. No one left a note saying "The program made me do it."

You say the "Anti-AA movement will win" - so this is a contest? You're fooling yourself. I would love to see several components of AA change but I think it is too large and unwieldy for any person or group or campaign to completely overthrow it. Significant change won't happen in your lifetime or mine. But spin away and create your own truth until you tire of it and seek a more captivating contest.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:04

"Those of my friends who committed suicide did so by voluntarily slitting their wrists or taking too many pills or too much heroin. No one left a note saying "The program made me do it."

Thats really interesting also.

You omitted to mention if these friends of yours who committed suicide where actually in AA, but I think it is safe for me to assume that ALL your friends are in AA. I doubt you could successfully communicate with anyone that wasn't in a stepper cult.

So did they just decide to slit their wrists or take too many pills or smack for no reason?

I think also it’s safe to assume that rational people have a built in instinct for self-preservation. So these people would have lost this rational instinct or been sufficiently troubled to go against this instinct and make the ultimate, irreversible sacrifice. They did not in fact, just decide to slit their wrists for no reason.

Similarly those people you know who took too many pills or smack, they obviously didn't do that before they joined the stepper cult

Since these people were all in the stepper cult either before or at the time of their deaths, I would suggest that a reasonable man would deduce on the 'balance of probabilities' that the stepper cult, did in fact have some bearing on their deaths.

In the light of my own personal experience and that of others of the growing Anti AA movement, I would further suggest that it was mind screwing cult doctrine such as powerlessness over an incurable disease, necessitating never-ending attendance at insane, morbid cult meetings for life or any number of other soul destroying cult ideas that induced these people to cut their wrists.

Also I would suggest that the self-fulfilling, self-destructive prophecy of personal powerlessness induced other friends of yours to take too many pills or too much smack, resulting in their deaths.

In short I suggest that steppism killed your friends same as this vile evil cult killed mine, and many many other people, the majority of whom we can only guess at.

This was one of satans reasons for using his servants Wilson and Smith to start this mind screwing death cult

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:27

No, none of the suicides was a member of AA. And my reference to "The Program made me do it" is a broad-spectrum analogy: no program, no bad news, no misunderstandings, no lost loves made them do it.

It is not safe to assume that all my friends are in AA. I don't go to AA today and have not gone to meetings for two decades. I have some friends who attend sporadically, none who attends regularly, and most of the people I associate with today know nothing about AA or alcoholism or drug addiction, not from the trenches.

Suicide is not a sacrifice, and don't try to make it sound noble. It is an action taken when an individual is in an altered state of consciousness and perception. It is a selfish act that cannot be rescinded or rectified. The only suicide I was made aware of in the ten years that I attended AA was committed by one Harry S., who at the time had four years of continuous sobriety. He had friends in and out of the program and was by all accounts a very happy man. The reason he killed himself was that his wife died. It wasn't "cult shit" or "stepper indoctrination". He was bereft over the loss of his wife, to whom he had been married for over forty years. Even so, he could have survived it if he had been able to work toward perspective and clarity. His act took place immediately after her death; he did not allow for any adjustment or even grieving.

How gullible, to take everything in life at face value. "Steppism" didn't kill my friends - none of them had even heard of AA in the 1960s. That was a time in our culture when people were very nearly required to drink: society revolved around the cocktail party and the block party and the whatever party. They chain-smoked, every one of them, and drank themselves into oblivion. My brother walked into our home one night after an evening of drinking and street racing, to find my mother, my father, and my neighbor Charlotte, all passed out cold on the living room floor. That was the way it was done then.

Nope, I do not agree that cult influence killed your friends. I think their lives got too cumbersome and they thought it looked better over there in the dead zone. It's a cowardly act, not a sacrificial one. The truly honorable person stands up and faces life. If he has trouble he looks for support. If the support isn't effective, he looks for support elsewhere and elsewhere and elsewhere. He doesn't surrender. He doesn't call it a day. And he doesn't blame others for his sorrows. He just sets his mind on making things livable again.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 04:49

“No, none of the suicides was a member of AA. And my reference to "The Program made me do it" is a broad-spectrum analogy: no program, no bad news, no misunderstandings, no lost loves made them do it.”

You mentioned your friends suicides in response to my post about my own friends deaths in AA. I believe a reasonable person would, on the balance of probabilities (to talk UK legal jargon), assume that you also inferred that your friends had in fact died whist members of AA. You were in fact deliberately misleading (stepper tactic encouraged by wilson in his book).

“It is not safe to assume that all my friends are in AA. I don't go to AA today and have not gone to meetings for two decades”

Point blank…. I just don’t believe you, nothing personal, I don’t believe any stepper, all steppers are liars, stepper indoctrination is all LIES. The mere act of stepper parroting cult speech, involves lying. Lying is a fundamental foundation of steppism. That’s why the Anti AA movement exists.

“Suicide is not a sacrifice, and don't try to make it sound noble. It is an action taken when an individual is in an altered state of consciousness and perception”

Yes it is the ultimate sacrifice and is neither noble nor unnoble and yes it is an action taken when an individual is in a altered state of consciousness and perception. Steppism is the ULTIMATE altered state of consciousness and perception. It is a dark , satanic, confused, terrifying, guilt ridden, hopeless, cult induced, state of consciousness that induces suicide in many many victims. It induced suicide in me, it was only the fear of eternal damation that stopped me.

“It is a selfish act that cannot be rescinded or rectified.”

So is eating a bag of chips or a hot dog

“The only suicide I was made aware of in the ten years that I attended AA was committed by one Harry S.”

Once again point blank, I don’t believe you, unless your meetings actually were the ones where the standard stepper lie “it didn’t happen in the meetings I went to” was true……….fat chance……I am NOT the fairy off the top of the Christmas tree. The experience of numerous other people, including myself is that AA has a high suicide rate.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters32.html#suicide_list

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4E1nsmj7cY

“That was a time in our culture when people were very nearly required to drink: society revolved around the cocktail party and the block party and whatever party. They chain-smoked………etc”

I’m British, I really don’t need a lecture on drink culture from you, and I can match any stepper drunkalogue any time, but don’t see any point. I’m no longer bothered about ‘cult bearing witness’ or cult ‘fitting in’, you know exactly where you can shove your cult as far as I’m concerned.

“It's a cowardly act, not a sacrificial one. The truly honourable person stands up and faces life”

The British Armed Forces combat deaths of the Falklands war have now been overtaken by Falklands Veterans suicides. “No man hath greater love than he would lay down his life for his friend” Those men of the Parachute Regiment, Royal Marines, Welsh Guards and Scots Guards are the men who actually do lay down their lives for their friends, these are the ‘best of the best’, the bravest and most honourable. I know a Paratrooper veteran of the Falklands War, who committed suicide, he was NO COWARD

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 11:40

"You mentioned your friends suicides in response to my post about my own friends deaths in AA. I believe a reasonable person would, on the balance of probabilities (to talk UK legal jargon), assume that you also inferred that your friends had in fact died whist members of AA. You were in fact deliberately misleading (stepper tactic encouraged by wilson in his book)."

Plain and simple, this is just faulty thinking: jumping to conclusions. You take the heat for that.

"All steppers are liars": more faulty, myopic thinking.

Until I see verifiable studies - not a single, company-line story - indicating that the suicide rate is higher in AA than in the general population - and that that increase is attributable solely to the influence of the program of AA - I'm standing my ground.

Go ahead, minimize the validity of my points with superfluous remarks. Call me names. Call in the fuckin marines. If your Paratrooper vet committed suicide, was it because AA made him do it?

Right.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:09

"Go ahead, minimize the validity of my points with superfluous remarks"

I minimize the validity of your stepper talk, I have NOTHING personal against you. Other than your stepper talk on this forum, I know nothing about you.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:23

WHAT STEPPER TALK? If words that I use offend you, please point them out and I will substitute words with less baggage and negative connotation. But don't just gripe about the invisible.

Or is this "just a bit of fun for becket"?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:14

"Until I see verifiable studies - not a single, company-line story - indicating that the suicide rate is higher in AA than in the general population - and that that increase is attributable solely to the influence of the program of AA - I'm standing my ground."

If you added up all the single, company line stories on the OP you would see that the suicide rate is far far higher in AA than the general population. You know AA does not keep statistics, its not within the interests of a total failure death cult to do so.

But we all know the truth on this forum.....we've seen it with our own eyes......and we will continue to tell the rest of the world

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:33

It would be incumbent upon someone OUTSIDE OF AA to keep those statistics, such as a Vital Statistics Bureau, if they were to be impartial. I accept no suppositions, no allegations, no third-generation anecdotes or accusations or grievances due to possibility of bias, contamination and/or embellishment. I will accept police reports or coroner's reports. When you can dig up one of those legitimate documents (and not a cute mock-up) that says, "Cause of Death: Alcoholics Anonymous", then we will have something to discuss.

False Prophet on . . .

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:54

"Cause of Death: Alcoholics Anonymous",

It’s an anonymous cult, how can you possibly gather such police reports or coroners reports.

Anyway who cares what you think. The OP is for newcomers to AA and they will see the suicides for themselves and realise AA is a death cult and get out as soon as

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:57

"It’s an anonymous cult, how can you possibly gather such police reports or coroners reports." Correct. Perhaps the coroners' reports would list the causes of death as "suicide by hanging", "suicide by gunshot", "suicide by overdose". In each case the individual made a personal decision to end his life by his own hand. THAT would be the cause of death.

If you don't care what I think, why do you repeatedly post responses to my entries in quadruplicate? Wouldn't it be easier to honestly stop caring?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:23

"You say the "Anti-AA movement will win" - so this is a contest?"

No with the stakes that exist, I believe it is a 'Holy War', as Bret has previously declared

"You're fooling yourself. I would love to see several components of AA change but I think it is too large and unwieldy for any person or group or campaign to completely overthrow it."

The Greek, Roman, Mongol, Chinese, French, British and all other empires where overthrown or declined, AA is sweet FA compared to these, you, same as all steppers, live in fantasy land

"Significant change won't happen in your lifetime or mine."

Its already happening, so I read about elsewhere and know for a fact in Nottingham UK. I saw a stepper meeting decline from about 15 to 20 regulars down to 1 , the chairperson, in just over a year, when I was running a non 12 step meeting in the same building in the city.

"But spin away and create your own truth until you tire of it and seek a more captivating contest."

What could be more morally rewarding and better for mankind, than opposing satans evil, predatory, death cult. Whatever I do, the Anti AA movement will never stop now and will eventually win this war.

AA IS already doomed, its just a question of how long it will last

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:29

Crap crap and crap.

Oh, and one more thing: quit giving Satan such great publicity - there's no such thing as bad press. Fuck Satan and the horse he rode in on.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 03:13

"Oh, and one more thing: quit giving Satan such great publicity"

We of the Anti AA movement have a duty to warn our fellow problem drinkers/users of the true evil behind the stepper cult. As long as steppers/ satans disciples use, direct and indirect coercion, lies, misinformation, predatory fear mongering and such to snare the bewildered, terrified and otherwise vulnerable into this devil cult, we must continue to give this publicity.

As Orange once said, it’s a dirty job, but somebody has to do it. To us that have escaped the darkness it has become a duty, to enlighten and assist other victims to also escape

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:34

"Not with the stakes that exist, I believe it is a 'Holy War', as Bret has previously declared."

Let us know when you decide to adopt the methods of the Crusaders or al Qaeda. Thanks.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:07

"Let us know when you decide to adopt the methods of the Crusaders or al Qaeda. Thanks."

Its a 'spiritual not religious' Holy War between the forces of darkness.........the lying, scaremongering, predatory forces of satans steppism on one side. And the forces of light..........the truthful, reassuring, healing, forces of Gods Anti stepper movement on the other.

Good will always triumph over evil..........steppism is doomed

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:26

Zzzz . . .

Good can triumph over evil without your half-assed contribution. You won't even focus on the things that specifically annoy you. Your posts read like AntiCultCultspeak. Get a new vocabulary. Then we'll talk.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:59

"You won't even focus on the things that specifically annoy you"

The very existence of your death cult infuriates me. I know that people are still being mind and bodily fucked in the name of God, by the predatory deviants of this satanic cult.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:00

I don't believe AA is a "death cult" - that sounds like a flimsy goth fabrication, too silly to even address. If you're infuriated, get off line and pursue making an impression on someone it might affect instead of bringing your lame arguments to this empty house.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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alkieanon

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 05:47

NoAAUK says: "Down in the depths of Hell, wilson and the deviant doctor now know this." There are no haters in heaven.
"Those who spread hate, are the doormen for evil. Don't bite the flamebait that leads to hate."
"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, ...." Matthew 24:10

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 08:17

"There are no haters in heaven."

Thats nonsense there will be all kinds of evil haters in Heaven........God for a start.

Then there will be evil haters like us of the Anti AA movement. Whether we believe in God or not, it doesn't matter as long as we have not relished practicing evil like steppism

Don't know what’s going to happen to you steppers. The deluded will eventually make it to paradise. But the predatory stepper true believers, who use satans stepper cult to prey on the frightened and vulnerable, for their own self-gratification, whatever dastardly form that takes. Well you lot will be consigned to that eternal stepper meeting in the flames of Hell..........chaired by bill and the deviant doctor and the rest of the early day stepper satanists

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 11:52

Man, for an atheist you certainly seem to have your finger on the identity of God! How do you explain that? And how do you explain that your God bears such a strong resemblance to the punishing, ferocious God of the Old Testament of the Christian bible?

Very interesting, to develop a theory about something that, for you, does not even exist. Is your next book going to be called "How To Spend Your Limited Time Wisely"?

Oh, oh, and the concept of Heaven: how come you're hooked up with that?? Of what purpose is Heaven to an atheist? You have some 'splainin' to do.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:01

"Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible"
By Steve Wells
ISBN-10: 145366291X
ISBN-13: 978-1453662915

You've probably heard of a few of the stories in this book. Noah's Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, David and Goliath, maybe. But there are more than 100 others that are unknown to pretty much everyone. Did you know, for example, that God: *Forced friends and family to kill each other for dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf? *Burned complainers to death, forced the survivors to eat quail until it literally came out their noses, sent "fiery serpents" to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water, and killed 14,700 for complaining about his killings? *Helped Samson murder thirty men for their clothes, slaughter 1000 with the jawbone of an ass, and kill 3000 civilians in a a suicide terrorist attack? *Smote Philistines with hemorrhoids in their secret parts? *Slowly killed a baby to punish David for committing adultery? *Killed 70,000 because David had a census that he (or Satan) told him to do? *Sent a lion to kill a prophet for believing another prophet's lie, another lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet, and more lions to kill people that didn't fear him enough? *Killed 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest and burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill? *Sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of Elisha's bald head? *Killed Ahab for not killing a captured king, and then sent Jehu to kill all of Ahab's family and friends who had ever "pissed against a wall?" All of these killings, and more, are found in the Bible, and the God of the Bible is proud of each one. Here's what he said about them: "I kill ... I wound ... I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42 These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers. Drunk with Blood brings them out into the open. It's time for us all to take a look.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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becket

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:05

Would that be the bible that NoAAUK does not believe in?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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JR Harris

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:11

You are talking about-----

May 20, 2012 Urban Word of the Day
Bible -
An ancient novel full of murder, corruption, homosexuality, bestiality, incest and cruelty. It is often read to children on Sunday.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bible

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:07

"God, in the bible has killed more people than satan"

This IS the book which NoAAUK does not believe in nor has any use for. So he cannot use the nonexistent to shore up any argument.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 02:20

"When did I ever claim to be an atheist? Why do you people always claim that people who are agaist your lying, predator satanist cult are atheists?

I am not a satanist like you stepper cult believers, that is true but I am also no atheist either.

"And how do you explain that your God bears such a strong resemblance to the punishing, ferocious God of the Old Testament of the Christian bible?"

I was just having a bit of fun with Alkie, unusually for a stepper he seems to have a sense of humour.

I have already posted my religious views somewhere else on this forum. I do NOT believe in the punishing Christian God nor do I believe in eternal damnation and certainly not most of the bible.
I believe along the lines of the Wiccan Summerland, reincarnation and infinite chances of redemption, ALL souls eventually go to an all forgiving God, none are abandoned, even the likes of Wilson and Smith will eventually grow spiritually, when they eventually try to, in another reincarnation.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:13

Yet you quote Matthew - is your belief an amalgamation of disciplines or ideologies? How do they reconcile one another? Matthew would likely beat you about the head for even mentioning reincarnation.

So you are saying that your post in which you claim Wilson and Smith will be roasting in hell (paraphrase) was bait, a misleading claim, "just a bit of fun with alkie"? WTF? Say what you mean. There's enough bullshit on this forum without gaming people.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:01

"just a bit of fun with alkie"?

Yes, can't you work simple things out..........like AA is a load of crap.....stepper simpleton

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:56

"Don't know what’s going to happen to you steppers. The deluded will eventually make it to paradise. But the predatory stepper true believers, who use satans stepper cult to prey on the frightened and vulnerable, for their own self-gratification, whatever dastardly form that takes. Well you lot will be consigned to that eternal stepper meeting in the flames of Hell..........chaired by bill and the deviant doctor and the rest of the early day stepper satanists"

First you don't know what will happen to steppers. Then you carefully construct scenario after scenario of what "will" happen to steppers, as if you actually believe you have the authority to paint this picture. I think you already have so many cults on your plate that you don't have room for AA.

You may find it interesting that not everyone imagines Hell as a place of ferocious flames. Check out Cocytus; it may broaden your disciplines.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:09

"Check out Cocytus; it may broaden your disciplines."

Like its broadened your stepper disciplines LOL.

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:53

Answer this, if you will: is it your absolute belief that anyone who does not despise AA, Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob, the 12 steps, etc. is a total, unquestioning advocate for AA, Bill Wilson, Dr. bob, the 12 steps, etc.?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:13

"I don't really pay much attention to anything, I just parrot shit".

You just summed AA up in one sentence, well done!

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:29

When ever steppers open their mouths, what they really mean is......"I don't really pay much attention to anything, I just parrot shit".

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:19

If your post about msafrany's terse remark were true, then would it be ego that makes him keep on spewing after he's already summed it up?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:47

"then would it be ego that makes him keep on spewing after he's already summed it up?"

Those changes you mentioned previously, that you would like to see in AA. Would use of a few NEW words perhaps be one of them? Ego, resentment, character defects......its just never ever ending. If you did introduce a few (just to start) new words into stepper cult speak, you might get a few more people actually listening instead of preparing their own share (just parroting shit) at cult indoctrination sessions.

And no, it has nothing to do with "EGO" (LOL….you people have ego, resentments and character defects on the brain), it’s just the Holy War that makes msafrany carry on exposing steppism after he has so excellently summed it up in one sentence. We have to keep on hammering out the truth, constantly for the newcomers to this website, who are seeking cult deprogramming.

Can you people string a sentence together without the use of the words EGO, RESENTMENT or CHARACTER DEFECTS? LOL !!

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 11:56

Those words have taken on more negative significance to many people since they came into use in the thirties. So if you want to get out your ill-used, dusty thesaurus and substitute words that suit you better, have at it. They are part and parcel of the current nomenclature. Don't try to hang that on me; I didn't invent this shit.

You talk about the truth here: maybe make room among your own bullshit that's piling up to store some new ideas, dude.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 02:25

"So if you want to get out your ill-used, dusty thesaurus and substitute words that suit you better, have at it"

Why should I, I don't take any notice of any stepper cult speak, we both know its meaningless BS

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:16

"NoAAUK
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 05:47

"becket

"then would it be ego that makes him keep on spewing after he's already summed it up?"

"Those changes you mentioned previously, that you would like to see in AA. Would use of a few NEW words perhaps be one of them? Ego, resentment, character defects......its just never ever ending. If you did introduce a few (just to start) new words into stepper cult speak, you might get a few more people actually listening instead of preparing their own share (just parroting shit) at cult indoctrination sessions.

"And no, it has nothing to do with "EGO" (LOL….you people have ego, resentments and character defects on the brain), it’s just the Holy War that makes msafrany carry on exposing steppism after he has so excellently summed it up in one sentence. We have to keep on hammering out the truth, constantly for the newcomers to this website, who are seeking cult deprogramming.

"Can you people string a sentence together without the use of the words EGO, RESENTMENT or CHARACTER DEFECTS? LOL !!"

Is this yet another fine example of you not taking any notice of "stepper cult speak"?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:15

"Is this yet another fine example of you not taking any notice of "stepper cult speak"?"

I only take the notice that I need to ridicule steppism. Ridicule can break its hold on people, when they begin to realise how batshit crazy steppism is, the fear of jail, institutions and death goes and they can leave the cult and spend their time positively

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17

Ridicule does nothing to soften the opposition's attitude. If anything it makes them dig in and fight harder. Try another approach.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:12

Just a quick scan shows that none of my posts on this page contains this collection of terms. If I use them at all in a post it is with the knowledge that it will offend some delicate sensibility of someone on the reading end, and I don't care. These words have been co-opted into treatmentese language and have assumed exaggerated import through overuse and misapplication. Get over it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 02:42

"Just a quick scan shows that none of my posts on this page contains this collection of terms."

Don't scan so fast next time

"If your post about msafrany's terse remark were true, then would it be ego that makes him keep on spewing after he's already summed it up?"

ALL steppers use the terms EGO, RESENTMENT, CHARACTER DEFECT.......its an itegral part of the "parroting shit" that steppers endlessley engage in.

If you were in the AA cult for 10 years or so as you claim (although I believe you are STILL in it...I repeat ALL steppers are liers) I wish I had £1 for evertime you spouted one of those terms, I'd be a rich man

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Mon, 06/18/2012 - 11:46

This post contains an unsupported allegation, NoAAUK. You say "don't scan so fast", and yet you don't present one single quote from any of my posts that uses any treatmentese within a treatment or "cult" context. Try again.

I have no reason to lie to you. I quit AA in 1990 and have not been back since. Why do you think reports of abuses within AA seem so over the top to me? What do I have to gain by lying - to anyone?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:18

"What do I have to gain by lying - to anyone?"

Cult recruitment, that wilson says will guarantee your sobriety………same as all lying steppers

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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becket

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:09

And of which cult do you surmise I am a member?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:25

"yet you don't present one single quote from any of my posts that uses any treatmentese within a treatment or "cult" context. Try again."

"If your post about msafrany's terse remark were true, then would it be ego that makes him keep on spewing after he's already summed it up?"

The 14th word in the above sentance , one of the priciple stepper cult words......"EGO".

Not many stepper cult meetings (if any) take place without using this word.

I don't need to 'try agian'..............you however need to take the cotton wool out of your eyes and put it in your mouth LOL

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:08

ego |ˈēgō|
noun ( pl. egos)
a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance : a boost to my ego.
• Psychoanalysis the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. Compare with id and superego .
• an overly high opinion of oneself : some major players with really big egos.
• Philosophy (in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.

ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from Latin, literally ‘I.’

Early 19th century means the 1800s, dollface, not 1935 when Bill Wilson cranked up his machine, and not 1980 when treatment centers started coming into their own. It is yet another co-opted word, snatched from everyday usage and contaminated with treatmentese connotation. I use the word ego within its original context. If you are so limited that you read "ego", "defect", "humility", and even "God" within that narrow treatment center glossary, you are missing the best of what the English language has to offer. If you have questions, look up the words, sweetie. A dictionary can open the mind.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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