Infiltration of the Cult in UK schools

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Submitted by avogadno on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:08

Harrogate schools to use drama to tackle teenage drinking
12 June 2012

"Schools in North Yorkshire are piloting a theatre scheme which aims to educate teenagers about the dangers of alcohol.

Harrogate has one of the highest levels of alcohol-related hospital admissions for under 18s in Yorkshire, according to the Centre for Public Health.

The play, by Bryan Bounds, is about the life of Bill Wilson the found of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Mr Bounds said the drama allowed students to learn about alcoholism and its destructive effects.

'Growing concern'

My Name is Bill, which is performed by Mr Bounds, the founder of the Leeds-based Amerrycan Theatre, was shown to critical praise at the Edinburgh Fringe and has been adapted for use in education.

Mr Bounds, himself a recovering alcoholic, said: "I've watched with growing concern about how alcohol has become such a big issue for young people.

"A lot of alcohol education is quite patronising and condescending but students are very switched on, very sophisticated."

The Centre for Public Health said Harrogate was second only to Wakefield in Yorkshire for alcohol-related hospital admissions for under 18s.

The drama is being shown to Year 12 students at Ashville College and St Aiden's School.

Marion Farrar, business liaison officer at St Aiden's School, said: "I think young people see alcohol as a norm these days which is a worrying trend.

"It is becoming more and more what you do on a night out as a matter of rite."

They might as well put up posters in the school about AA. I wonder if they also said that many courts around the world have ruled that AA or a religious organization and that there are safety concerns because meetings are not monitored?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-18409309

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:34

Thanks for posting this. Not everyone will have your experience of AA.
These students will be offered a chance to see what Alcoholism can do to a persons life. They will see there is help, if they don't like AA then will then know they can google alternative recovery programs.
As we have learned here many moved on from AA to other programs.
Maybe you should send a letter or email to this institution suggesting they also offer alternatives to AA.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:51

Unfortunately, watching the propaganda of Bill Wilson chanters will not get them to see anything but the growth of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and how to convert people to the AA religion. If they want to use the cult to scare people out of drinking all they really have to do is tell them the cult may catch them, and then send them to the Orange Papers Forum to see the more fanatical apologetic cult members of AA and their devious tactics of attempts at manipulation. These people are extremely easy to spot and the 2.5 million hits a month is making sure that they are being exposed.
fellowship they have become "converted atheists" and have found a Higher Power of their choosing.....

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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avogadno

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:43

AA should tell people the truth and then people can decide before they set foot in the rooms of AA if they want to be part of a religious group that uses faith healing as a cure for addiction. They lie when they say they are not religious. Courts in the U.S. have ruled that Alcoholics Anonymous is religious.

It is also true that meetings aren't regulated and people should be aware of this. Especially young people and children. I cannot see why anyone would object to that. I know for a fact that many people think that thethe chairperson is in charge or that sponsors are trained.

If AA was up front and didn't ADVERTISE for their CULT RELIGION then people like myself wouldn't feel the need to speak up and out against them.

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 14:05

All the literature is self explanatory, I don't believe there are lies or malicious manipulations written within.
Why would the original alcoholics lie, Avogadno? I mean it is the mid 1930's and a 100 people are gathered to write a book to help others. What is the motivation? How could you get a 100 people to agree to lie?
Jeesh, I understand you have problems with AA but to accuse them of lying id preposterous.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

gigi

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 14:07

Bullshit.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 14:18

Not biting today!! Try some sensible conversation, educate me on your opinions. Seriously maybe I can learn something.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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dolson

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 12:27

You parrot a false claim Danny. There were no first 100.

Go ahead, enjoy yourselves - it's getting late, much later than you think.

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Clara

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 16:09

Religious but not a religion. I have never been able to see how a person could be in an AA room and NOT see that it was a spiritual program after reading the steps on the wall.

I don't see how you can make any type of demands on chairpersons as we always were ASKING people to chair and telling them the sobriety requirement. We had a sign up calender. We often had it as a subject at business meetings because we had the same willing AAs to take on chairing meetings, but you need rotation.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Ironic

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:36

Well then, Clara, how do you explain the popular slogan "spiritual, not religious?"

Would that be a lie?

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:26

No.

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JR Harris

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:29

When you do, can you tell me how to find it?

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avogadno

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:49

"The Bill Wilson that many do not know became an “evangelist” almost immediately after he was discharged from Towns Hospital, having had a spiritual experience. For example, Lois Wilson’s biographer wrote:

The doctor [Dr. Silkworth] always allowed Bill to share his God-experience with some patients, hoping somehow it might help. . . . Dr. Shoemaker [the Episcopal rector at Calvary Church] encouraged Bill to spread the message of change and spiritual recovery to others like himself. Bill took the preacher at his word. With Lois’s full support, he was soon walking through the gutters of the Bowery, into the nut ward at Bellevue Hospital, down the slimy corridors of fleabag hotels, and into the detox unit at Towns with a Bible under his arm. He was promising sobriety to every drunk he could corner, if they, like he, would only turn their lives over to God. [See William G. Borchert, The Lois Wilson Story: When Love Is Not Enough: A Biography of the Cofounder of Al-Anon (Center City, MN: Hazelden, 2005), 170.]"~Dick B. AA

Alcoholics Anonymous and
Bill Wilson’s Bible Witnessing
Fragment Number Eight
By Dick B.

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Trisha K.

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 13:52

He wanted to save alcoholics from the pain he suffered so he used what was available at the time. His time was the late 30's, Bill was still,"wet behind the ears". I say thank goodness the, "first 100" got together when they did and toned down the religious evangelistic nature Bill wanted AA to go or thought he wanted it to go. I believe Bill evolved over time into a more spiritual person then religious.
People today are not going to be lead anywhere they don't want to go concerning religion, AA can be easily navigated without any religious indoctrination.
I also think that the members here are being a bit disingenuous, because they know (from being associated with AA) that most of the members in AA could care a less about religion.
That members in AA are not having a problem with the content in the BB, God or no God.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 16:11

If Bill thought God helped him get sober, what is the problem with telling people that? It was his truth.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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avogadno

Tue, 06/12/2012 - 17:06

"Walking through the gutters of the Bowery, into the nut ward at Bellevue Hospital, down the slimy corridors of fleabag hotels, and into the detox unit at Towns with a Bible under his arm"

Bill was barely sober when he spread his bullshit propaganda. I have no problem with anyone sharing their personal discoveries unless they:

1. Continue on yapping trying to sell me their product after I tell them I'm not interested.

2. Lie about how well their product works.

3. Leave out important aspects on how "it works".

4. Don't even use the product themselves because it sucks.

Bill Wilson was known to do all of the above.

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 09:55

Perhaps instead of blaming AA, you need to address why you continued to go after you weren't interested and said so. You weren't in bondage, Avo. You weren't mandated. I just don't understand you or others that continue to make claims that they were forced to go because of what someone else said. You yourself talk about numerous medical interventions, going to rehabs an hospital, yet you "cured" your addiction with your mind and willpower alone. And while you could do that "with your mind", you need a fellowship to help you "get over" going to AA. How on Earth is going to a program you never believed in so much more traumatic than what you describe happened during your active addiction? AA just wasn't for you, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people for whom it was just the right thing.

I think that is true of any number of programs out there, even those that attempt to "teach" moderation. If you are into moderating, AA isn't for you as it's focus is on abstinence. AAs have already tried moerating and found it didn't work for them. A person seeking moderation is going to find AA to be everything they don't want since they've decided they are still in the drinking game.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 14:01

just wanted to clear that little lie up for you CLar. The 12 steps of bill w are all about finding god and turning your life over to him. The 12 steps are full of god.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 14:07

AA's focus is on self. God/god may or may not play a part.

Please describe in your own words how each step is "full of god". If you can't or won't do this, it stands to reason you really have no position and you're just give lip service to the anti-AA cult.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 14:23

the 12 steps of the hokey religion of aa references or lists "god in 6 of the 12 steps. That's qualifies as full of god in my big book, old man.

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http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 14:42

Half-full or half-empty?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:18

4) But for the grace of God
7) Let go and let God.
11) Expect miracles.
12) I can't, He can, I think I'll let Him (Steps 1,2,3).
23) If God seems far away, who moved?
31) I can't handle it God; you take over.
49) Don't quit before the miracle happens.
56) God is never late.
85) Man's extremity is God's opportunity.
124) G.O.D.=Good Orderly Direction.
130) Faith is not belief without proof but trust without reservation.
133) E.G.O.=Edging God Out.
143) God taught us to laugh again but God please don't let us forget that we once cried.
153) When we surrender to our Higher Power, the journey begins.
162) The task ahead of us is never as great as the Power behind us.
167) The results are in God's hands.
169) Remember nothing is going to happen today that you and God can't handle.
179) The will of God will never take you where the grace of God will not protect you.
187) Get out of the driver's seat and let God.
205) Faith is our greatest gift; its sharing with others our greatest responsibility.
212) Trust God, clean house, help others.
223) God will never give you more than you can handle.
225) A coincidence is a miracle in which God chooses to remain anonymous.
237) There is a God and I'm not it.
249) If it is meant to be, I can't stop it. If it isn't God's will, I can't make it happen.
287) Faith without works is dead.
309) G.O.D.=Group of Drunks.
354) F.A.I.T.H.: Fantastic Adventure in Trusting Him.
360) Please be patient---God isn't finished with me yet.
368) My first Higher Power was Howard, as in Our Father, who art in Heaven, Howard be thy name.
372) I don't always know what God's will is for me, but I always know what it's not.
376) God could and would if He were sought.
379) If God is your co-pilot, switch seats.
395) God grant me patience. Right now.

and the best slogan ever: 191) Slogans are wisdom written in shorthand.

yes, yes. Those AA slogans are oysters of wisdom, but only if taken with a large dose of god!

over 400 AA slogans right here >> http://webpages.charter.net/jlbond/slogans.htm
californication the AA way >> http://webpages.charter.net/jlbond/california%20fourth%20step.htm
put your sorry AA ass in god's hands >> http://webpages.charter.net/jlbond/whose%20hands.htm
An AA thank you prayer to god >> http://webpages.charter.net/jlbond/a%20thankyou%20prayer.htm
and last, AA acronyms >> http://webpages.charter.net/jlbond/aa%20acronyms.htm

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http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
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Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:45

Slogans are bumper stickers. Want to discuss the actual program?

Hands on your hips, a smile on your lips, spirit in your heart, we’re ready to start!

Together we stand, together we fall. All for one and one for all!

Fly high, do or die, dare to dream, cheer extreme.

The referees have always been blind, it’s our job to make them deaf.

Boys lift weights…but Men lift cheerleaders

If cheerleading is so easy…why can’t you pick up any girls?

If cheerleaders are so easy, why aren’t you with one?

Most sports throw balls…We throw people

I trade sweat for strength. I trade doubt for belief. I trade cheerleading for nothing.

Cheerleaders are angels…we’re the only humans that can fly

Athlete by nature…cheerleader by choice

Cheerleaders know that pyramids were not built in Egypt

Eat, Sleep, Cheer, Repeat

It’s hard to be humble when you can jump, stunt, and tumble.

Flying is the second best thrill to cheerleaders; being caught is the first.

There is only one way to cheer- HARD!

I don’t play the field…I rule the sidelines

There are two types of people in this world, cheerleaders, and those who wish they were.

I’m loud and I’m proud

What you see is what you get, and you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

You know you’re a cheerleader when you have to kick, yell and scream to get what you want

If you fall remember this squad will always be there to catch you

Any man can hold a girls hand but only the Elite can hold her feet

Cheerleading is more than a sport…it’s an attitude

Cheer Attitude- You mess with me, you mess with the whole squad.

When in doubt cheer you heart out

Cheerleaders are simply a jump above the rest.

When life begins to shed a tear, just perk up and say a cheer

Work as a squad, cheer as a squad, be safe as a squad and you’ll always be caught if you fall.

Peace, love, and cheerleading. The rest is just details.

If you’ve got the game, we’ve got the cheer

Cheer, Cheer, Cheer to get through the year!

I got spirit! Yes, I do!..I got spirit, how bout you?!

Do you think these kids really use this crap to endure the difficulties of life? Slogans, cheerleading, it's all the same stuff. It is fluffy, sometimes catchy or clever, identification with a group or an activity. It is not philosophy, it not psychology, it is not metaphysics, it is not logic. It is noise, and some of it is flat-out untrue. When these kids are done mouthing off about their avocation, they go back to their studies of real subjects, gaining knowledge that will help them to negotiate life. My experience tells me that the lion's share of that information does note even come to us in middle school or high school - it comes to us through mistake-making and fear and opportunity and risk-taking throughout our adult years. Adults who never felt like they belonged anywhere until they got to AA may find solace in the slogans, but the slogans are noise, they are not the program. So back to square one, live_not.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:35

Bumper stickers are intended to be thought provoking.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:01

provoke thoughts of god.

becket denies AA is about god. becker is full of billshit!

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 20:32

You deliberately misquote and misinterpret me at every turn. One or two more instances and we will shut it down, live_toannoy.

I neither confirm nor deny that AA is about God/god. It is up to each individual to determine whether and to what degree a higher power is invited into the process of striving for continuous sobriety. Many people have no God/god and do fine; others are atheists who by choice cannot apply the concept of God to their efforts and some find another way to put distance between themselves and booze.

You are an insufferable little gadfly, almost_living. You can continue to lie and misrepresent, but if it continues we're done: this is just to give you notice. Do with it what you will; it makes no difference to me one way or the other.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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live_free_or_die

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 05:35

becket said, and I quote: "AA's focus is on self. God/god may or may not play a part.

bill w and the AA/12 step ThinkSpeak© tell the AA member to turn their life over to god in order to be fixed.

Step 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God
Step 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

What part of the fact that god is the sole answer to the AA member's woes are you missing judge becket.

Why can't you admit to this simple truth?

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http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 21:21

They might provoke yours!

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:00

why would I want to discuss the faulty AA "program"? AA only helps 3-5% (at best) of AA'ers to get sober.

AA is a program of deceipt, lies and falshoods.

AA, with its voodoo religion, helps push some AA'ers to suicide.

Believe me becket, I know all I need to know about the culty teachings and rantings of the AA religion.

And last becket, yes, AA is full of god. It is undeniable. Unless you are insane.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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becket

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 22:13

You know all you need to know. And all this vast information will carry you through to your dying day without tweaking, without modification, without alteration, without change. That kind of sounds like the definition of a redneck to me, but does it matter? Not one bit.

We're done, live_red. Go chase some other poster with your incessant, shallow flag-waving.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:35

Bill W. and members like him wanted God in their program. Bill wrote about it extensively but it still doesn't negate nor make less important the members who have no interest in God or the references to God in the literature. From the beginning of AA's existence there have been AA members who were not interested in God.
This really comes down to preference. People who do not believe in God will probably not stay with AA today. Why? For all the options you mention in your signature. Just remember though they don't minimize the benefits of religion (God).

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:49

"treatment" industry.

I do not believe in god. I don't care if you, or anybody else, believes in god.

I don't begrudge anybody using AA to get off the drink either.

My problem with AA is that it is ineffective in helping MOST substance abusers. And AA/12 steps is the cause of SOME of the suicides of AA members. For anyone to disagree with these 2 statements is just denial. Plain and simple.

Over 70% of substance abusers get off their drug of choice on their own.

The truth will set you free.

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:55

So please act as if you have common sense and stop making this claim. Oh, btw, you also don't have the credential to make such a claim.
You do care if people believe in God because you keep mentioning it as a slight against AA and its members.
You have no idea if 70% of substance abusers straighten themselves out or not. Why would you say and give such an absurd %. No professional in the addiction community would even say that.
AA is meant to help alcoholics, period.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:19

From the article: >> "Research exploring the phenomena of natural recovery has found that significant numbers of people discontinue their excessive intake of addictive substances without formal or lay treatment."

From the article: >> "Some have estimated that as many as 90% of problem drinkers never enter treatment and many suspend problematic use without it (Hingson et ai. 1980; Roizen et al. 1978; Stall and Biernacki 1986). Research in Canada has shown that 82% of alcoholics who terminated their addiction reported using natural recovery (Sobell et al. 1993)."
http://www.addictioninfo.org/articles/2978/1/Natural-Recovery-From-Addic...

Trish, why do you try to discuss issues when you are so completely out of your league?

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http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:32

Nice try...it isn't there lfod, buddy. Nobody is wrong or right. Stop making this a contest.
I don't give a shit if you want to be right, OK.
Be right, then!!!!!!!
Just tired of your self righteous bull.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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live_free_or_die

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:38

I am sure you are familiar with the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink".

Alcoholics Anonymous: MyNotGodHasItCovered®
http://www.expaa.org/
http://bereanresearch.com/
http://badrecovery.blogspot.com/
NOT AA:
Rational Recovery, SOS, HAMS
http://alcoholabusesolutions.com/

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:31

Natural recovery? I am not sure what this is, but if you can do that, why would you ever go to rehabs and spend thousands of dollars? Why would there even be those moments we all have, such as "something's gotta change..." Why would there be addiction at all, if you can use your mind to "cure" it?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:00

God is all over our country, USA. Look at the back of our currency it says, "IN GOD WE TRUST".
Just one example. I bet you grew up in a family based in some form of a religion. We were conditioned from an early age.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:37

Coping Recovering from Recovery work.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Gunthar2000

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:49

Or should I say PKats.
We had fun playing with you.

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:36

If any of that is true, then getting an IP address was easy for Avo. Hard to think that anything thne really happened ot her child.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:52

then they ran away and started their own groups. There is a secret group on this site, did you see it yesterday. It was in the forum and now it is gone.
Who gives a shit really, Clara. They are a bunch of punks (most of them, anyway) who run around coping and pasting information others have written and spinning it to fit their agenda.
They don't want to be debated, argued with or anything and if you do they will stoop to any level necessary to get you banned from the site or ostracized while still on the site.
This was a learned behavior that was honed from their time on Stinkin Thinkin. You hear how they all just compliment Stinkin Thinkin and what it stood for. Clara if you would have read what was on that site, you would have seen how disgusting it was.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:08

I sent it to Orange before they deleted their posts, and copied it again afterward, showing those deletions. Despite the fact that the information didn't apply to me, they were trying to demonstrate personal knowlege of private business. If there is something out there that someone has put online, that's fine. They put it out there by choice, but trying to suggest that you have stalked them is wrong. In some jursidictions, using eletronic media to cause another fear is a charge in an of itself. I think I would be careful.

I think Avo made up the scenario involving her son.

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Gunthar2000

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:42

Pretending to be a woman named Calinda Williams.

It's funny that Calinda has the same IP address that Danny used when he posted on stinkin' thinkin' as cuggles.

Here is the message he sent me...

You don't know who it is, whacko!
So please shut up. Gunthar you are still one of the most pathetic losers I
have ever seen on the internet. I've watched you meltdown so many times and
take it out on others. You should be grateful you have people who have hung
in there with you.
It was me who came to your site, I did nothing and will do nothing with what
I saw on that site. Just like I did nothing with all the other information I
have read over the past two years from previous sites.
Have I ever outed you, no. I have been on sites where you gave your name and
your address, this was over two years ago. Dumbass at one point I lived 1 1/2
hours from you. My ex brother in law lives in your town, at least the town
you said you lived in 2 years ago.
Gunthar I don't care who you are, where you live and I defiantly don't care
to ever meet you anywhere.
Stop thinking you are so fucking important. This is the problem with most of
you anti's maybe a dozen of you are so over the top it isn't funny.
Nobody really cares about you personally it is the information we are after
and that is not your personal information. I nor anyone I know has any
interest in you, You being the Anti AA'ers. You are being studied, your
content, temperament, attitudes ect....
This has nothing to do with AA. I am not in AA.
Gunthar, chill out.
Hey what ever happened to the report Avo was telling us all about concerning
her child? Where are the arrest reports, has Danny been arrested?
I didn't think so, more bullshit from the supreme gossipers.
Really, if you punks didn't have gossip where would you be.
Take care, Calinda

AA is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.

Gunthar2000

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:56

What is this obsession with playing "gotcha"? I gave my computer to the guy across the street because someone demontrated hacking. If you are a normal person at all, you don't care who or what someone is. Blogging on a board is just blogging on a board.

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Persephone In Exile

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:58

Wow. Anti-AAers are being studied, eh? By some group of people who all write exactly the same under various names and all have the same poor grasp of the English language, right? How scary. I'm so frightened. I might not make it through the night.

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causeandeffect

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:02

What's more is that this "calinda" has known G2K for 2 years. LOL!

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Calinda (not verified)

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:13

c&e, you are known. Enjoy it, you are on your way to becoming famous. Then you can really revel with your buddies.

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causeandeffect

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:16

What? I'm gonna be famous? Sweet!

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JR Harris

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:17

I believe this was explained as the Rigorous Honesty Multiplier, if I remember correctly.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:32

I never left. I was just enjoying Calinda handing Gunthar his ass.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
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