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Somehow I think it might be a debate site and I'm just now figuring that out. Could someone let me know if debating is one of the purpose of the site? Thanks!
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 13:17
The stated purpose of the Orange Papers is:
One Man's Analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous and Substance Misuse Recovery Programs, and Real Recovery.
Which would leave one to believe that it is an Analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous and its MISUSE of Recovery Programs and a discussion about what is REAL RECOVERY. Unfortunately, the members of Alcoholics Anonymous have taken it upon themselves to invade this forum, thinking it is some kind of "therapy" like an AA meeting where the users are belittled and coerced into believing that they are "Alcoholics" or they aren't "Alcoholics" and don't know what they are talking about. I don't believe that this is the purpose of this site, but I also do believe that it is being attacked by the AA faithful that 95% of the people who go to AA run from. Only time will tell, but when you read the responses of the AA faithful, please take into account the following link which will explain what they are doing. http://orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html#lie
I apologize for the AA members that are acting this way because some are actually very nice, but then you have the narcissists that THRIVE in the secret society of Alcoholics Anonymous who unfortunately come here and act they way they do with the same slogans and arguments of true cult members of Alcoholics Anonymous.
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 15:58
I come here to pick up chicks
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 16:58
JR Harris, it's a darn good thing you've never belittled anyone here or coerced a visitor into believing that McDonald's is a cult with hookers on the menu, or convinced them that Walmart assigns modified uniforms to men who are willing to masquerade as employees and prey on women in their parking lots. If you had done any of those things I would be nearly certain that you were a member of some sort of whacked-out cult, or a secret society or a club of in-betweeners who can neither divorce themselves completely and cleanly from AA, nor even "wish to shut the door" on their experiences with AA.
Hey, were you ever in a band, like back in high school or college? Was is The Hyperbolizers? The Embellishers? Did you play acoustically, or did you use amplifiers??
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 17:04
The Stalkers. He played the drums.
Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.
Fri, 06/15/2012 - 22:00
JR... thank you so much for filling me in. It's all becoming very clear now. I appreciate it! ;) No need to apologize for others. That's sorta silly, isn't it? Thanks for being so kind.
To Sandy, Bicker & Clara ...
Y'all should do stand-up comedy! You're a real riot! :)
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:54
There is no reason why serious debate shouldn't take place on this forum. But steppers talk such infuriating, insulting and dangerous BS that people who have themselves suffered as a result of the cult, understandably take offence and can't help but respond to this stepper speak, with attacks. That is probably why steppers come on this forum, to derail intellectual debate about the evils of their cult.
It is the purpose of the stepper truebelivers to stop the truth coming out wherever and whenever they can. The emergence of the truth spells the end for the stepper cults......and they know this
......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:26
Intellectual debate? Surely you jest. I can count on one hand the members of this forum who have engaged in anything scholarly or erudite.
The power of self-pity is overrated and saturation with it is gauche. We've all had shit go down in this life, and you are not a member of an exclusive group whose difficulties are more severe, more profound, more painful than anyone else's on the planet. Get a grip.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 05:55
"Surely you can't be serious."
"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 08:30
fancy a drink Doris?
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 22:03
NoAAUK says: "fancy a drink Doris?" Nuttin' stronger than Kool-Aid. LOL!
"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, ...." Matthew 24:10
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 08:28
Yes you are perfectly right, there is absolutley nothing intellectual about stepper cult indoctrination to debate. Steppism is just some thing to curse or ridicule, same as its truebeliver predatory recruiters
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 01:52
Thank you all for your replies. I don't think any place where there is so much negativity and animosity is healthy.
The whole scene on this site seems like one big dysfunctional group and there's too much belittlement and anger and lashing out at each other for me. I treasure health more than this.
There are abusive wordplays and various digs at people who don't even know each other personally, only knowing each other from the internet. And if this kind of stuff happened in real life, I'd take my own advice and run like hell. Nobody needs this. Seriously. It's not healthy.
If this is an example of what the AA groups are all about, I'm very happy I never participated in them.
I sometimes have gotten a lot out of serious debates about social and political issues on the internet. I've learned a lot about history and why people have the opinions they have based on the evidence they present, however, this particular type of interchange on this website is not my cup of tea.
It's not even debate. It's abuse. It's ridicule. It's obnoxious and arrogant on many occasions.
I think I need to bow out now.
Is there any way to delete my membership/account on this site?
Maybe I'll contact Orange to help with this.
All the best to you all. I wish you peace and love and music and art and poetry and nonviolence and KINDNESS... especially kindness.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:05
"If this is an example of what the AA groups are all about, I'm very happy I never participated in them."
How blind can you be to fail to see that the antagonism is on BOTH SIDES? You belong on recoveryvsrecovery or whatever it's called, where the joy of living is expressed in a self-pitying circling of the wagons.
The best way to go is to just go.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 02:34
I don't believe in "sides". I hate war. I'm a pacifist. If there are factions and sides and hatred from one group to another, I want nothing to do with it.
I'd prefer to have my account deleted which most sites offer. It that's not possible, yes, I'll just go.
I'm a member of multiple sites, btw, 5 of which I participate on regularly. it's not about "sides" and wars. I'm a pacifist. I believe in peace.
It's not healthy here ... for me, anyway
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 07:14
An anti-AA pillory post site is just like an AA meeting. Not until I was kicked in the face for practicing pacifism did I know ... Not until perfect sense means no sense do I understand what living entails. Fare thee well. Try not to sob; it makes your face splotchy.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 10:58
That was funny, Billy. :) Celebrations are in order when escaping hostile, unhealthy environments. Take care! And thanks.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 11:40
Take care of yourself.
“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 16:21
heart for rent. I'll miss you when you're gone; always do when a somewhat delusional, mostly wrong-headed, marginally cyber-hot babe goes her way, like purple asters theirs on the first hard frost in autumn ... in fucking June??
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:24
"heart for rent".. it's a poem. "marginally cyber-hot babe" .. hahahaha! ... "somewhat delusional, mostly wrong-headed"... this is really great writing! heh...
Hey, sorry but I was a little tipsy last night when this site finally got to me. *shrug* ... cheers.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 17:33
I, rescued, bow humbly before you, exactly as you are,
once, just now, forlorn, instantly redeemed from afar
by this winsome missive.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 18:01
I'm recovering from 2 days of sobriety by having a drink.
Should I be ashamed?
I'm just me... I LOVE my solitude but I'm darn sick of experiencing life by myself.
Welcome to my confessional.
Pitiful, huh? What should I do?
I know. I'll shuddup.
This is not my diary.
I have no will power.
Only the will to continue.
That's all I have.
I continue continuing, continue
obliterating all the phrases and fazes
and afraidnesses. And so I'll be courageous!
Take the shame game and bury it in the maze
of disillusion, find a solution some other way
without trading dignity for squalor,
confession for barter.
This is not my diary.
I am powerful, unique, just like all of you!
We're all unique, right? This statement is so true
it's bound to shake you in your boots.
I'm recovering from 2 days of sobriety and so I tip my glass
a bit sideways, clink it with yours which contains water,
the viability of life, where fish live, where evolution began,
where the span of consciousness extended from fins to feet,
And we will meet where we will meet
somewhere across the other side of the street
or near a watering hole or a bold conjecture,
your opinion and mine, connecting like vines connect,
resurrected like Christ from ridicule and demeaning.
What is the meaning of this verse?
Should we curse it and find fault with its rhythm,
its meter, its approach?
Let me ask you this.
Have you ever encountered roaches which infest
a domain? Please don't tell me I'm insane when I admit
the cause of all this shit is probably very similar to
This is not a lecture. This is not a sermon.
This is only my heart poured out like a minor
drink emptied from a bottle into a very small glass.
All of you probably have more class
than I have in your pinky finger.
I just linger along,
sing a song in harmony with
backup groups, recoup myself from
demise by staring at my own eyes
in the mirror the next morning.
And oh, the glaze, the very certain haze
of doubt, the outside-in, inside-out veracity
of it all.
Have you ever stalled for just a moment to look at yourself?
Seriously. Have you? Imagine the power of that!
Will you will it away? What do you say?
I have no will power.
I've written these lines spontaneously just as I retire
and awake, just as I take what's given and give more than
I have resources to give, I run my thoughts through a sieve
like sand, demand absolutely nothing from them at all,
only to stall
to listen to
Am I proud of this?
No. I'm proud of nothing I know of.
Let's just kiss and imagine we're all something
worthy of love.
That's the only purpose I can see.
Thanks for listening for a moment to me.
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 18:32
"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 18:36
We needed a little bit of mood changing posts. Thanks justme....
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 18:53
thx.. I'd like to record it and ad music and share it ... appreciated very much..
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 08:56
Sadly there won't be any peace till all evil like steppism is consigned to the history books. I don't know if that day will ever come. Steppism WILL die, but there will always be more sick evil twisted deviants, like stepper truebelivers, preying on the sick, weak frightened or otherwise vulnerable.
Pacifism will not stop them, evil has to eventually be opposed by somebody. If you don't oppose them, they will just continue to grow, like the cancer they are, coercing the innocent at every opportunity they can create, in their sick deviant minds.
Nothing about steppism, including opposing it, is healthy. Again I repeat as Orange said, “it’s a dirty job, but somebody has to do it."
I don't take any pleasure in attacking AA, but I know that even as I write these words, the frightened and bemused are still being preyed upon by the stepper truebeliver deviants.......and its all done in the name of God.............it has to be stopped somehow....and it won't be done by exchanging pleasantries with these monsters
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 10:40
I understand, NoAAUK .... That someone isn't me, I guess. I wish you all the best. :) I choose peace. Be well! Take care.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 02:52
"I understand, NoAAUK .... That someone isn't me, I guess. I wish you all the best. :) I choose peace. Be well! Take care."
There's room for all in the Anti AA movement, we are most definitley NOT all the same. All the best
Sat, 06/16/2012 - 11:36
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 08:19
Exit without death.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:45
thank you but I've never been programmed. :)