Dr. Bob and his grave are being celebrated starting this weekend June 8-10, 2012. Alcoholics Anonymous members can even be buried near him!

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Submitted by JR Harris on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 07:22

Dr. Bob’s grave is located in Mount Peace Cemetery, Akron’s second-oldest cemetery. The cemetery is located at 183 Aqueduct St., a few blocks north of West Market Street.

Cemetery officials said the site attracts people throughout the year who want to pay their respects to the Akron doctor.

One of the most popular events of Founders’ Day is a motorcycle procession to the grave and a memorial service. That will take place June 13 {2010 at time of article}at 7:30 a.m.

Signs from the main entrance to the cemetery direct visitors to the grave. Many AA visitors leave their Sobriety Coins, which are given to AA members to mark the anniversary of the day they stopped drinking, on the gravestone in tribute to Dr. Bob.

The cemetery also features a bronze plaque with the Serenity Prayer on it not far from the grave. Adjacent to that is a columbarium, which holds cremains. The columbarium is dedicated to AA and Dr. Bob and allows those wanting to have their final resting place near Dr. Bob to have their wishes granted.

Cemetery officials said the cemetery is open from sunrise to sunset every day. Visitors also are welcome to stop at the office for more detailed directions.

Read the entire piece by Kathleen Folkerth published 6/3/2010 - West Side Leader: http://akron.com/akron-ohio-community-news.asp?aID=9178

Please note that this years (2012) graveside ceremony will be held Sunday June 10, 2012 at 7:30 AM

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:34

Learn something. Don't give it all away.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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steve cochrane

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 22:07

I at least had a few punktuation marks in my last post. You done went and bested me. Good job girl!! Run on with your bad self. Sleep tight. Peace

patti

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:42

Struck a nerve

patti

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becket

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 13:11

They'd better start building more prisons, because he'd be at the very end of a line of Wall Street bastards and 1%ers and I don't think they'd quite have a table for him yet. He'd be making his restitution al fresco.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 05:53

Wall Street bastards, have jobs, education & resources to hire expensive criminal attorneys & buy a get out of jail card. They can pay restitution to stay out of jail. If Wilson had ever been indicted he would have probably done jail time, no education, no job, no savings, no resources, except his cult. Like other poor & uneducated people, he would have gone to jail, even if the true believers of the cult defended & helped him, Wilson had no money to buy a get out of jail free card. Sure, Wilson wasn't the only exploiter or embezzler or thief that has existed. Wilson was just a small time con man & people like Wilson, poor & uneducated go to jail, Wall Street bastards have a lot of juice, all Wilson had was a cult & some elderly, lonely & vulnerable widows to exploit. Wilson as you well know was never successful stockbroker like the Wall Street bastards, just another lie of Wilson's, he never earned much money until he found a vulnerable group of addicts to exploit. Wilson would have never been able to exploit the people the Wall Street bastards exploited, he would have never been in their positions or had their jobs, he was a bottom feeder.

patti

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 06:17

"Rien ne réussit comme le succès."
"Nothing succeeds like success."
"Nothing succeeds like a parrot with no teeth."
"Producer, moocher, or looter."

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:34

Now, I have a problem with the duality of this argument, patti.

"Wall Street bastards, have jobs, education & resources to hire expensive criminal attorneys & buy a get out of jail card. They can pay restitution to stay out of jail. If Wilson had ever been indicted he would have probably done jail time, no education, no job, no savings, no resources, except his cult." In a previous post you were grousing about Bill Wilson's glomming onto the monies and prestige of others, that he was driving a luxury car, that he lived off of unsuspecting and vulnerable AA members. Now here you say he would not have had the means to post bail or bond, nor could he afford an attorney.

Means vs. No Means: pick a side.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:21

Beckett,
even though Wilson scammed & died a millionaire, if he had been busted for embezzling & fraud when it occurred, he had no funds, no resources, no juice like the Wall Street big dogs. All Wilson had was his con, Lois & the AA fellows to scam, manipulate & con. Wilson did not have the juice or resources to pay for a get out of jail card like a Wall Street banker, you are well aware of this. Wilson was nothing but a con, the Wall Street bankers are educated, had careers, earned incomes & had major juice compared to Wilson. Wilson may have been able to scam AA members to help him if in jail, but scamming from a jail cell isn't as accessible as scamming from the street. Wilson was definitely good @ scamming, manipulating, exploiting, fraud & brain washing, gotta give him that he was a good con dude.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:41

Prove it. Just patti. Prove it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:32

"prove it" another direct order & demand. control freaks are exhausting, to self & others, especially for the others around you, doesn't this need to control exhaust you Beckett?

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:39

Of COURSE it's offensive to you, because you can't or won't prove anything you spew.

I don't exhaust easily when confronted with deceit.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:38

I have not been offended by you @ all, not today, not any other day. I doubt your insults & name calling offend anyone on this forum. You know as well as I do that Wilson lied & said he had been a successful stockbroker, he lied all the time. You don't exhaust easily when confronted with deceit, I know, you lie & lie all the time on this forum & you never get tired or exhausted by lying. Lying is one of your things.

patti

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jonnijoy

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:50

Patti, I know Bill was a scumbag, just like millions of other business men out there. Why would he be in prison? Infedelity? lol big deal! If your gonna judge a persons character by having an affair, you are gonna be judging somewhere between 30% to 50% of the married couples in the world. Maybe Lois didnt put out, maybe she was a dead fish in the sak. As far as stealing everyones share of the BB copyright, I doubt he would go to prison for that. He would just pay restitution. Plus the courts seem to like bill nowadays so im sure he would just get a slap on the wrist if that. So why does he belong in prison? Im curious. Dont think of me as a fan of Bill or Bob because im not but not one thing you wrote in your post above is against the law.

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:05

You know, we have no idea if Bill ever asked his wife for a divorce. All I can get from her writings and those of others is that Lois would not have done that for any reason. Their marriage is their marriage, and their choices were up to them.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:20

Or are you talking about AA members? Stick with the "I" statement, just like the 12 Step counselors want you to use so you can get caught by the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous and provide them a revenue stream until the cult kills you or drains all of your assets.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 05:58

Clara,
adultery is wrong, exploiting & abusing any person sexually or otherwise is wrong. Lois was not Wilson's only victim, as you well know, what about all the female addicts whose recovery Wilson threw under the bus to put his sexual wants first. How many marriages were effected detrimentally by the female addicts who were seduced by Wilson? How many husbands & children & families were destructed & harmed by Wilson exploiting the vulnerable & fragile female addict? Wilson & AA have harmed & damaged a lot of people & their families & children. Wilson didn't just damage his own marriage & didn't just exploit Lois, he was like horseshit, all over the place, messing life's & people up.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 09:08

". . . exploiting & abusing any person sexually or otherwise is wrong. "

Except roofers.

You're asking so many questions of Clara as if you expect she has a responsibility to answer them, patti. Why don't you do the homework and come back with something like, "Wilson threw 476 female addicts under the bus personally just so he could get laid." Otherwise, the questions are rhetorical and really don't add up to anything except a low-grade flash.

If you got screwed by an AA member, just say so. Quit alluding to it vicariously.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:50

you are grasping for control, deflecting, splitting hairs. Call it rhetorical, whatever semantics you use to gain some control, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I do an "investigation" & provide the number or actual victims of Wilson's & AA's. You & I both know that Wilson was a narcissist who threw anybody under the bus to get what he wanted, not needed, wanted. Wilson was selfish, self absorbed & all about Wilson, he was not decent, not honorable, he was a dirtball & a scumbag & has being exposed for who & what he was coming. Nobody is making bad stories up about Wilson or AA, they are telling their horror stories about AA , & Wilson & AA are busted, the facade of a benevolent & "spiritual" person & group who help others is exposed as fraud & over, it's over Beckett. If the questions only add up to a low-grade flash to you, so be it. It's typical stepper hypocrite, Clara doesn't have a responsibility to answer me, but my self & others on this forum are expected to comply & accommodate your control freak demands & provide proof, documentation, investigations, research, etc. etc. Ah Beckett, you are a king or queen without a country. Not going to be controlling how any one thinks or feels here or what they express or write, not happening.

patti

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:03

more desperate grasping for control, I & others just had to be screwed by an AA member to hate AA & Wilson for the reprehensible frauds that they are, you just have to feel in control @ all times, don't you? AA & Wilson are reprehensible & there are plenty of reasons to be anti AA & anti Wilson.

patti

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Clara

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:52

Their marriage was their business, not mine. My life, my marriage, and just about everything else benefited from my membership in AA. Iwonder how many of those marriages you claim are AA death statistics woul have endured if the party had continued drinking. I think they would have ended just the way they did because that was the kind of marriage it was.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:46

clara,
you know that AA harms many marriages, families & children. you can play the none of my business card, you can deflect, you can wonder about the drinking, etc. none of it matters. you know AA is harmful & damaging to way more people than it has ever helped. I don't agree with AA's philosophy that others died so that we lived. I don't agree that their should be sacrificial lambs so that you & your life benefits. AA's harmful, Clara, all the anti AA people, books, web sites, all the ex members, they are witnesses Clara, they are not lying or making it up. It's not okay that something that harms the majority, should exist to help the minority & a few, it's just not right.

patti

patti

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:55

embezzling, fraud, plagiarizing, possible sexual assaults, fraud bookkeeping, fraud investments, taking people's money & not repaying, fake stock certificates, robbery, those things are crimes.

patti

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:11

Walked right by it and didn't even notice it. Zuccotti. No sign of them (DH). No more whining and complaining. All cleaned up and gone. Is that to be the future of OPF? Flash in the pan. "Alright, move on, nothing to see here, please disperse..."

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 22:12

Very good.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 06:00

There goes that AA control again, you folks just can't stop trying to control any one who doesn't think, feel or speak AA. You guys just can't get through your heads no one outside of the rooms is going to let you control them.

patti

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 06:25

There goes that AA hate again, you folks just can't stop trying to hate any one who chooses AA. You guys just can't get through your heads no one inside of the rooms is going to let you hate them.
"Those who spread hate, are the doormen for evil. Don't bite the flamebait that leads to hate."

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JR Harris

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 08:51

"look for the similarities, not the differences" - Slogan of unknown origin of the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous used to capture prospects...

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:26

Nothing wrong with hating AA, it's a sane, rational & healthy decision & hate is a powerful emotion & motivator & a lot of good things & situations have occurred & progressed due to people hating & acting upon their hate. Women hated that they did not have the right to vote & were motivated & accomplished getting the right to vote & on & on. Hate is a powerful emotion & force & can be put to good use. It is good & healthy to hate AA & Wilson, they are both reprehensible.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:44

Action is sane. Hatred is never sane.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:56

you are wrong about that, hating is often sane & has motivated many to do enact positive, productive & necessary change. you know that.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:55

Oh, dear child . . .

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:43

there is another old AA technique, are you going to pray for me, do you pity me also, cause I called you on being a control freak.

patti

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:14

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." -Luke 23:24

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:43

there is another old AA technique, are you going to pray for me, do you pity me also, cause I called you on being a control freak.

patti

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alkieanon

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:16

"No, I don't hate ..., but I pity the fool." -Clubber Lang

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alkieanon

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 05:39

patti says: "Women hated that they did not have the right to vote ..." Hate the concept, hate the idea, hate the system, hate the inanimate thing (AA), etc. Change the concept, change the idea, change the system, change the inanimate thing (AA), etc.

But you're hating on people, e.g. Bill W.

Once you do that, you've lost your argument. And are caught grasping at straws.

patti

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 06:43

alkieanon,
in your mind.

patti

billybudd

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 08:03

why you grasping at straws in alkie's mind? when there's plenty of fluff and dust in you own? add water, shape some bricks, stack 'em up, and - voila! - impregnable fortress.

may sound nasty; but, I tease u cuz I luv u

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:41

Yeah, patti, I've always considered the term "Very good" to be an insidious, manipulative mind-control device utilized to separate me from my personhood, my dignity, my integrity and my considerable "wealth".

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:27

you are grasping.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:44

At what? Let's hear it.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:52

there you go again, trying to control with demanding questions, trying to take control of the discussion by asking questions.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:03

Do you feel your knee jerking every time someone asks you a question, particularly one that inquires about support for your bullshit allegations?

I don't want control over you, patti, but you keep giving it away, over and over and over by your refusal to respond responsibly. Do you want to try again? Do you want to answer all inquiries about your fables about Bill Wilson's money/no money and his fantasized inability to spring himself from jail and the issue of the roofers being scum and all the other insupportable crap you have posted? Because I'm going to keep coming back at you until you take the time to boost your allegations from shit status to legit status.

Those of us on the other side of the fence are held to particular standards when we make claims. We know that those on your side of the fence live by a different, lower standard. But the honorable thing to do on either side of the fence is to support our allegations. Do it or don't - it makes no difference to me. The issue for me now is not what you think but the fact that you believe you have a special dispensation from corroborating your fairy tales.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:21

Beckett,
it's a forum, I don't have any responsibility here, it's a forum, not a job, not my child, not a bill I have to pay. You know the things I've written regarding Wilson are the truth, they are not my opinion, Wilson was a fraud & a scumbag, these are facts. You try to control every one on this forum, not just me. More lies, I never wrote that roofers are scum, you are again attempting control by lying. You use the same control techniques over & over, demands, orders, name calling, now you are saying I have a "responsibility", you are grasping again. Now you are misrepresent your self as a group, "us", we are responsible & honorable & I am not according to you, you are not part of an us, more lies. You are still attempting to control me Beckett, sure you are. You know that you are a control freak, you know that about yourself & you've been told that about your self, not just by me.

patti

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Clara

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:28

Roflmao!

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:37

You can't even acknowledge your own "truth", let alone ponder the ideas of another person. I asked you if you believed roofers are scum and you refused to answer, patti. I am left to determine the meaning - and negligible value - of your post. I'm not the only person seeing this, but I speak for myself: if you think this is controlling behavior then you are a coddled, pampered little lady who's just not used to having her factuality being questioned. I hope your eunuchs know when to fan you and fluff your pillows.

I happen to be a part of the family of man, patti. That's bigger than your hate. So keep blowing smoke, hoping nobody will see the inaccuracies. I'm having a big laugh watching you step in your own waste.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

patti

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:14

Beckett,
the final control tactic, attack the person who in your mind needs your control, that you want to control. Beckett, I never wrote or implied that roofers were scum, you are lying. How can I defend something I did not write? Not going to say how high & jump because you are again control freaking & demanding that I allow you to control what I write, not happening. Not going to comply with your demands that I further explain myself, in order to meet your demands & standards. Again, you can call me all the names you want, try insulting me all you want, you just can't give up, trying to be in control. This is your problem, not mine. I can't acknowledge my own truth, according to you, that is in your mind, you are attempting to control me & tell what to think, do & feel. Pondering the ideas of another person, if you are referring to your ideas & posts, they are all about control every body on this forum & about controlling any & all anti AA opinions, thoughts & feelings, nothing more. Some of the stuff you write, the insults, the attacks are so out there, I don't try to ponder your ideas, who would? You keep misrepresenting that you are representing more than just yourself, "I'm not the only person seeing this", again a childish control attempt & tactic, it's not just my opinion, then you lie & deny again, by writing that you are only speaking for myself. Oh Beckett, you are try so hard to manipulate, so hard to control, I can only surmise that is why when you feel out of control, you start with the childish name calling, you become frustrated & angry & can't control your impulses & anger. Yep same old same old, now I'm coddled, pampered little lady, again your control issues are somehow my fault & they are my fault cause according to you I'm a coddled & pampered little lady. All control freaks do this, they blame their control on others & who or what others may be. Also you are blaming the men in my life, they are enuuchs, wow you sure are grasping again. It's me, it's the men in my life, it's cause I'm pampered, it's cause I just don't know myself, don't know "my truth". Beckett, come on give it up, you know you are a control freak. "I happen to be a part of the family of man, patti", now you are clinging, not even grasping any longer. And your point is? An old AA tactic, holier than thou. Beckett, guess what every human is part of the family of man. Oh Beckett, just give it up, I hate AA, sure, why not? That's who you are going to be interacting with on an anti AA site, that you voluntarily chose to be on daily, you were not sentenced here by a court, judge or parole & probation department. That I know you are a control freak is about you, not about me, deflect, name call, do whatever you have to do to feel in control. "I'm having a big laugh watching you step in your own waste", Beckett, come on, really, can you get more childish than writing you are laughing & enjoying yourself, do you really think that penetrates or insults or bothers anyone? Really? Now you are really clinging. You know who & what you are, either keep doing your thing or do something about it. I've noticed you are now asking people if they will please & can they, instead of your usual rudeness & barking orders, questions & demands, so you have made an improvement, you are behaving with some politeness.

patti

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becket

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:23

I'm not even going to read this shit, patti. Give it the fuck UP.

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

gigi

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:32

WTF is going on around here? Is this the tornado being referred to on the Al-anon thread? Jeezus Christmas what a mess.

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Clara

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:04

I think someone is just off of her meds.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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