Does Alcoholics Anonymous tell you that you will die if you don't join them? Yes, AA tells you that you are going to DIE if you don't join!

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Submitted by JR Harris on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 08:02

Despite the constant denial of members of Alcoholics Anonymous that they do not tell new members who have been enticed to go to an AA meeting by coercion or court order that they do not do tell you you are going to die, it is the standard operation procedure for them to do so. The coercion manual commonly called the "Big Book" explicitly tells them to do this. The manual also instructs the AA member to use it to get the new members they have targeted to admit they are an "Alcoholic" regardless if they are or not. It is documented deception that is cross referenced throughout the mental manipulation manual called "Alcoholics Anonymous" which Bill Wilson plagiarized and called his own to grow the cult and make him rich.

Chapter 7 "Working With Others" page 92 of the "Big Book"

Continue to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady. Talk about the conditions of body and mind which accompany it. Keep his attention focused mainly on your personal experience. Explain that many are doomed who never realize their predicament. Doctors are rightly loath to tell alcoholic patients the whole story unless it will serve some good purpose. But you may talk to him about the hopelessness of alcoholism because you offer a solution. You will soon have your friend admitting he has many, if not all, of the traits of the alcoholic. If his own doctor is willing to tell him that he is alcoholic, so much the better.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 08:58

of alcoholism.
Jr quoted:
"Continue to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady. Talk about the conditions of body and mind which accompany it. Keep his attention focused mainly on your personal experience. Explain that many are doomed who never realize their predicament. Doctors are rightly loath to tell alcoholic patients the whole story unless it will serve some good purpose. But you may talk to him about the hopelessness of alcoholism because you offer a solution. You will soon have your friend admitting he has many, if not all, of the traits of the alcoholic. If his own doctor is willing to tell him that he is alcoholic, so much the better."

JR I hope they do continue to talk about the abuse of alcohol as an illness, an illness of the mind. Maybe AA is not for everyone, I understand this, but I do know it is better then nothing. Doing nothing for many alcoholics is a certain death warrant. I can speak from experince.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_through_alcohol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2563443/Fifteen-thousand-people-die-from...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
Alcohol Use

(Data are for the U.S.)

Prevalence

Percent of adults 18 years of age and over who were current regular drinkers (at least 12 drinks in the past year): 50.9%
Percent of adults 18 years of age and over who were current infrequent drinkers (1-11 drinks in the past year): 13.6%

Source: Summary Health Statistics for U.S. Adults: National Health Interview Survey, 2010, table 27 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 1.3 MB]

Mortality

Number of alcoholic liver disease deaths: 15,183
Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides: 24,518

Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2009, table 12 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 1.4 MB] Adobe PDF file

More data

Early release of selected estimates from the National Health Interview Survey
Health Behaviors of Adults, United States, 2005-07, Chapter 3 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 2.2 MB]
Health, United States trend tables with data on health risk factors
Summary Health Statistics for U.S. Adults: National Health Interview Survey, 2010, tables 26, 27, Appendix III, table XVI Adobe PDF file [PDF - 1.3 MB]
Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 09:30

So can I, AA Mansfield UK first two years 1980 to 1982 those I definetly know what happened to 1 died in AA 1 commited suicide in AA, 3 of us are drinking ok now, I have spoken to these people within the last 3 years. 2 others never stopped drinking, 1 stayed and died of old age in AA sober, the rest don't know what happend to them, a lot of people just passed through the doors for one or a few meetings.

By my personal statistics over that intial 2 year period AA killed twice as many as it helped.

Lying, scaremongering, stepper death cult......end of

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:00

It has been my experience in AA that people die of all sorts of things. Of the ones that didn't from things like cancer and heart disease, the extenuating circumstances of their lives (bankruptcies, foreclosures and divorce) had nothing to do with AA or drinking.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:12

When you go to a marriage counselor, do they tell you that you will die if you don't chant Bill Wilson? When you go to a bank to try and figure out a way to stop bankruptcy, do they tell you you are going to die if don't start going to weird pagan chanting rituals run by secret societies in church basements? When you go to the bank to stop foreclosure on your home do the have you chant the "Serenity Prayer" and to parrot slogans like "Live and Let God" and "Don't leave until the miracle happens?"

Listening to an AA member trying to say they are a benevolent secret society to new members is like having Jim Jones tell a new member they are not part of a cult while handing them a glass of koolaid.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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NoAAUK

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:39

"It has been my experience in AA that people die of all sorts of things. Of the ones that didn't from things like cancer and heart disease, the extenuating circumstances of their lives (bankruptcies, foreclosures and divorce) had nothing to do with AA or drinking."

Nothing is ever AA's fault is it?......wonderful perfect AA.....God's great gift to the human race. However did mankind manage before 1935 without meetings to go to and say "they told me....I want what they've got....blah! blah! blah!." The ultimate answer to all humanity’s problems, AA's 12 steps and sitting around in stepper meetings, holding hands and talking bollocks.......I'm just glad I'm constitutionally whatever and never have to associate with those assholes or set foot in a stepper cult indoctrination session ever EVER AGAIN…..thats what I thank God for.......thank you God for the Orange Papers

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Clara

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:43

Well, why would AA be responsible for your cancer? Why would it be responsible for your bankruptcy or foreclosure? Why would AA be responsible for your wife leaving? Often, AA is treated like that baby that was supposed to save the marriage.

As for wanting what someone else had, I've heard that in numerous motivational seminars over the years. Find the guy in your company that has what you want and see how he did it. That can mean anything.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 09:54

by telling them that if they don't start chanting Bill Wilson, they will die. They (AA members) also try to invade the family and tell them that their loved ones will die, if they don't join in on the weird chanting and prayer rituals of Alcoholics Anonymous. They (AA members) also try to get the loved ones involved in the gateway cults of Al-Anon and Alateen to assure they capture as many prospects as they can to join in on their rituals and start prospect hunting for new people to join the cult.

AA is a Spiritual Virus that is a confession cult that tries to find out things about people to use against them and talk them into join them on the hunt for new prospects. Their mantra? "You're only as sick as your secrets." They want you to tell them what they are, so they can use it against you to make you join in on the prospect hunt to grow the cult and have a few very welly paid members at the very top.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Anthro

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:03

"jail, institution, death" "jail, institution, or death" "jail, institution, or death".....if I had $100.00 for everytime I heard it I'd be very wealthy today.....

the sponsor/sponsee relationship is clearly an extortion/blackmail kind of deal....."you tell me all your darkness secrets or else you'll NEVER STAY SOBER...."

then you have to live with your fingers crossed that they never tell others.....LOLOL

I'd rather die!!

Anthro

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:01

Remember, though, that the BB and most of the literature was written for wrost case scenarios. When AA was started, there were such things as high class alcoholics. While we of course know that there are and were, society at the time has the under the bridge guy as the alcoholic. For most of them, jails, insitutions or death were realities. I don't know about you, but I knew people in AA that had been to jail/prison, rehabs and the thing left was death. It's not that hard to imagine.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:33

Remember that the cult of AA goes after teens and highly functional alcoholics (HFA) and they don't care where the prospects come from. It is a sick cult that targets teens in high school and middle and higher class people that drink. The storm troopers of Hazelden, who OWN the Bill Wilson "Book of Shadows" containing all of the original chants called the original monolith manuscript train Interventionists to go after this target market and herd them into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous filled with people from jails and prisons who claim to have found "god."

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

Brett

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 17:59

& crab soup, if the left one don't getcha, then the crab soup must, or the 6 pak & the lexus.

Brett

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:08

I miss that car... What a wretched night that was! All because of a 6 pack!

Be careful, Brett! I wouldn't want Dammitt and dorak to get upset over mentions of soup, now...

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

aasux

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 13:44

Don't confuse alcoholism, a choice and behavior, with real disease. Yes, alcohol abuse can lead to liver disease. Choose to stop drinking, but don't think praying to a higher power will do it. The only power is within your own mind. That's all aa is, a big mindfuck and group hug therapy. Commiseration does not equate to healthy sobriety in my book.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:27

We don't know if God is working in their lives, answering their prayers and performing miracles. So I guess you feel the same way about all people who look for miracles or answers from a God.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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NoAAUK

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:57

"We don't know if God is working in their lives, answering their prayers and performing miracles. So I guess you feel the same way about all people who look for miracles or answers from a God."

You’ve totally lost the plot, you’re "Out to fukin lunch" as Godless Panther says in his Top ten reasons to run from AA video.

I'll ask the three questions Ive asked before. If God can miracle you not to drink Alcohol providing you go to stepper cult meetings and do those nonsensical steps, why can't God just as easily miracle you to drink normally? And on step 7 does God remove your shortcomings permanently and if so why is there a need for step 10?

Also why would God use a lying, misinforming, scaremongering cult full of control freaks, sexual predators and a host of other deviants and misfits, which was founded by two deviants to do anything, let alone work miracles?

Can you say anything other than stepper cult speak? Can you think anything other than stepper cult indoctrination? Have you gone past the steppism 'point of No return?

......and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Matthew 24:11

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 17:03

I did not say I believed in God, miracles or whatever. What I was trying to explain in my post ^above, I will write it again, I am not going to negatively judge another person because they have godly beliefs.
As far as you NoAAUK asking me questions about why could God lie ect....You are asking the wrong person here.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 17:05

Are you an atheist, of a converted atheist that believes in a higher power and waiting for a miracle instead of just taking things in your own hands and just stop drinking?

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 17:12

I really don't. You don't care either. All you care about is having some fun here. Bopping moles as you say.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

patti

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 19:07

Following Wilson & Buchman doesn't qualify as Godly beliefs, AA members are living their life's & practicing a religion & a chosen & miraculous relationship with God based on Wilson's philosophies. Wilson was not of God, not a Godly or decent being, using God as a con & a method to manipulate & create followers are just typical con & cult tactics. It isn't negative to judge Wilson truthfully & the truth is very ugly, he was a real bad guy & not of God. Cult members become one & the same with their cult leaders, AA members & the indecent, immoral & unethical things they do daily, are not of God either. AA & it's theories, religious practices & doctrines, just don't have anything to do with anything positive, the only judgment is negative, it's a negative cult.

patti

patti

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 19:16

NoAAUK,
act however you want, think whatever you want, write whatever you feel. it isn't AA, no one here gets to bark orders & tell anyone how to think, feel or act.

patti

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Sat, 06/16/2012 - 15:49

But it interests me that these naysayers try to say that they cured themselves with their minds and willpower. Then how did they get into the messes they did with drung and alcohol to begin with? Why can't your mind talk you away from that needle or bottle of pills? Even Charlie Sheen wants to make it out as if 12 Steps don't work even though it did for 5 years until he just decided that he was tired of being "bored" and he went out. Does he behave as if he has it together? If his mind was so strong, how did he get where he got to begin with? Why was he sitting in slef-pity and blame when he imploded and lost his job? What sane person thinks you can publicly treat your boss like that and still have a job?

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:03

The more fanatical members of Alcoholics Anonymous will try to tell people that it is OK to coerce and manipulate a new member with the promise of jails, institutions and death if they do not join in on Bill Wilson chanting. They will use the slogans,"you didn't get here by accident" or "your best thinking got you here" which the organizers of AA publish on their websites and distribute as "literature" to aid in the quest for new prospects for AA. They will claim that "the end justifies the means" and "some may die, so others will live" when they destroy their prospects who do not join the AA faith. The should be avoided at all costs.

Alcoholics Anonymous, it's not Scientology, it's just the other cult.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 17:07

not the time....

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

disclosure

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:22

Over 5 of my AA friends are dead of suicide.

I was told when I first came to AA that if I did not stay my options were jails, institutions, or death. I heard this same thing shared for over three decades.

I have been told in AA participation meetings that it was suggested I do the steps the same way it is suggested I pull the rip cord on a parachute when jumping from a plane.

I have been told in AA when I have shared things old timers don’t like that "you are killing people".

I have been derailed many times in AA meetings by old timers who interrupt to stop me from making a point.

I have been told by old timers in AA that I can not talk to their sponsee.

I have been attacked physically at AA meetings for effectively questioning the program.

I have been told to be open minded in AA and then chastised for being open minded to other possibilities.

I have watched people prey on new girls and women for sex over and over again to the point where it became a joke. “Ha, ha, look there is a new girl, aren’t you going to go get her _____?” When I questioned them I was told that I would do the same thing if I could.

I was told in AA that I had a progressive disease that was getting worse even though I was not drinking.

I was told that I needed to pay attention to the meanings of words and then told that I was too focused on semantics when I quoted Webster’s.

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Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:31

I think that it si progressive. I don't know many people that could honestly moderate their drinking. If they could have done that, why would they have ended up in AA? Then they go back out and when they return, things are worse for them than they had been. That tends to make me believe that it more than likely isn't going to be any better than it had been for me.

What do you mean "if you could?" You are just as capable of asking a girl on a date as the next guy, even if you are married. I have seen plenty of men and women dating around, inside and outside of AA. Thank you for saying something to them. My take, after a pretty sever rebuke from a married woman over her husband, is that what people do is their business, but why not let someone have that year to figure themselves out? As for "killing people," I hear that direced at me every day from people on this forum. Some of my AA friends died of suicide, too. I've disclosed that these things had nothing to do with AA or even that they went back out. They took their lives over things like marital discord and financial problems. I say what I say in meetings very much as I post here. What someone else thinks of it isn't my business. As long as I don't interrupt people, that's okay. People were free to speak their minds in our meetings.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

disclosure

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:01

What I mean is that when I criticized the 13th steppers they insinuated that I would enjoy 13th stepping if I were not incapacitated by a moral constitution.

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Pennywise

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:29

Everyone who shows up to court reasonably sober is proof that moderation is possible.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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becket

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:56

Everyone or just binge drinkers?

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Pennywise

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:30

Everyone, Becket. Everyone can moderate.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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becket

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 22:35

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“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Fri, 06/15/2012 - 22:34

I'm not convinced this is true, Pennywise. The mind is capable of complex deviousness. I clearly remember desperate cravings for alcohol and the only thing that would quiet that need was alcohol. There was no place in my mind, brain, heart, or soul that offered any other solution in those moments. Simply not drinking was not an accessible option. So something more seems to be at play here besides willpower, because my dependent body and my toxic mind had quite a different message to share. It was loud and strong, and in 20 years I never heard my own mind tell me to just not drink.

My situation is different than yours has been because I am a believer in God. Yet there are other believers who never sober up. And there atheists and agnostics who have numbers who do sober up and other numbers who do not. What's missing? It's not self-esteem. It's not goal-setting. It's not a threat about losing a job. It's not the dismantling of a family unit. That phenomenon of craving: I know it, I remember it, and I remember living for almost twenty years under the spell of it. It was an influence stronger than God, stronger than love, for those things were optional. My reality was that drinking was not optional.

I have some distance now. How did I do it? I practiced not drinking, for a long time, and failed for a long time. As I got into my mid-thirties and my reproductive years were winding down I decided to seek help in outpatient treatment (AA-based) and in meetings. The community welcomed me and those who pontificated were gasbags to whom I would never have paid any mind under any circumstances. I did what they suggested (with modifications to maintain my sanity) and I was able to stop. I thought it would last at least long enough to have my family. Then I could go back to it if I wanted to. When I realized how difficult and complicated child-rearing is, especially as a divorced mother of a toddler (and me with no income), I decided that for the time being I'd better knuckle under and get the job done. So: job done. She's all grown and lives in the southwest, away from mama. And I don't feel like drinking today so I don't. In a way she's a love letter from my higher power that tells me to keep going, to keep striving, to try to realize goals and be creative even though I can see the barn. I stay sober for her as much as I do for myself.

I'm not sure how to effectively explain it, but I just don't believe everyone can moderate, no matter what set of keys they're given. It's a blessing to be away from alcohol all these years, but I cannot say that I'll die sober. If someone killed my child I would drink and never come back, I know it. It's something that I know and understand about myself. Drinking is a cheap and legal way to kill pain. If the pain gets great enough, if I lose my kid or get a brain tumor, I have no doubt I'll go out drunk. I never say I will never drink again. I have no way of knowing that. Today: no booze. Tomorrow:

“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 18:14

disclosure wrote:

"Just my experience...
Over 5 of my AA friends are dead of suicide."

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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Wed, 06/13/2012 - 11:15

That's any easy one to answer Clara, it's a slogan to first off claim that the act of even showing up at an AA meeting and means that you are an "Alcoholic" and should join the cult. If you deny it, they (slime ball AA members) say you are in denial and the little slime balls from AA that you may have let into your life, go after your family and friends with the they are going to "DIE" routine unless they don't join our little coven of Bill Wilson chanters.

Scientology, the other cult besides Alcoholics Anonymous.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

msafrany

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 12:01

Shouldn't surprise anyone that many cultists in AA wind up committing suicide. The 12 Steps are a horrible way to live. Plain as day to me.

Anthro

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:17

AA is nothing more or less than a D/s community........some are too damaged to see it, some are too ignorant to see it, some take a long time to see it, and SOME OF THEM NEVER WANT YOU TO SEE IT. They're the sociopaths who thrive mentally, physically, and "spiritually" off of controlling others.
It's a mentally derranged community ...a reminder of the cruel christians during the inquisition.

Some of us hung around as long as we could stand it for the coffee, pot lucks, and the company of a few intelligent people. I knew a guy who was way too smart to share his dark secrets with a sponsor, yet he felt he needed to tell someone. Easy to understand from a psychological point of view.
So he got a flight from the midwest out to the west coast, found an AA clubhouse and a willing old timer, took him upstairs to a meeting room and poured out his guts. Got back on a plane and went home.
Never told a soul in his hometown his business. Now that's a smart drunk!!

Anthro

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:03

What a shame that he had to go to that expense. He could have done what I did and simply do it with a local professional.

Remember Christopher Stevens when you vote.

Anthro

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:13

You pay for a local professional....and I don't mean just money. If you don't think your deepest darkest secrets get documented with a professional, then you're really naive. He went to that expense out of choice.....he took stuff to a stranger that he didn't want to tell his wife, or his lawyer, or his priest. And whats the expense? He was an executive for Proctor & God.....LOL!!

Anthro

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:54

Client privilege. And I don't care it was documented or not.

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DeConstructor

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:23

'how it works' complete with the line of 'signing his own death warrant' which I cannot find anymore on the internet.

Does anyone have a copy of that which could be mirrored online so the AA faith cannot remove it?

patti

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:59

Jr saw it recently on u tube can look later

patti

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Pennywise

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:25

Of course they tell you this. They explicitly say it at the end of the meeting when everyone chants "it works if you work it, you'll die if you don't."

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

disclosure

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:10

Do they really chant that at your meeting? That is sick! I'll ask around and find out where they chant that here in town and report back. My meetings don't chant it, they slide it in when sharing or one on one. In either case it is an untrue and dangerous belief.

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Pennywise

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:51

Some of them. Haven't you heard it? I thought it was relatively common.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Clara

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:03

I am sure glad he said it and not me. There really ARE things that don't take place in "my meeting."

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JR Harris

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:11

Like the "Big Book" talks about. If your meeting isn't full of those "low bottom drunks" your not an alcoholic, you are just someone who has been captured and brainwashed by the cult of Alcoholics Anonymous.

"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.

gigi

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:47

I have not heard that chanted at the end of the meeting, but, I have definitely heard "do the steps or die" and "people are DYING out there because they didn't do the steps!"

"If I forget who I am, I am myself. If I remember who I am, I am you."

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Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:59

http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/1263881?song_id=6913779

View Lyrics: WELCOME TO AA

Viewing lyrics for WELCOME TO AA by Arnold ZeDville.

WELCOME TO A.A.
11/8/10

SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP BOY. TAKE THE COTTON OUT OF YOUR EARS AND STUFF IT IN YOUR MOUTH!

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YOU’RE NOT THAT DAMN IMPORTANT BOY
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NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR
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WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY
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WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.
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YOUR BEST THINKING GOT YOU HERE
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LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF YOUR DECISIONS
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ADMIT IT BOY, YOU’RE POWERLESS AND INSANE
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WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

CHORUS:
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NO ONE EVER GRADUATES
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THOSE WHO LEAVE WILL DIE
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JAILS, INSTITUTIONS, AND DEATH ARE THE ONLY OTHER WAY
G D A GD
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

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YOU WILL FORVER BE DEFINED
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BY THE LOWEST POINT IN YOUR LIFE
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BUY HEY HEY HEY
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WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.
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SPONSORSHIP WILL HELP YOU
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SACRIFICE YOUR REASON AND CONTROL
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SO CALL THAT CRAZY LOSER EVERYDAY
G D A AD
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

CHORUS

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SINCE WE CARE ABOUT YOUR LIFE
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MORE THAN WE DO YOUR FEELINGS
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WE’LL VERBALLY ABUSE YOU EVERYDAY

G D A GD
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

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YOUR EVENTUAL RELAPSE
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WILL VALIDATE OUR WORDS
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OH AND YOU’LL BE BACK TO STAY (PLEASE, GOD, NO)
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WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

CHORUS

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SURRENDER TO WIN, SINK DEEPER IN
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IF YOU DON’T GET THE PROGRAM
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WE HAVE A 30 DAY SOLUTION
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SOME OF USE HAVE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES
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IF YOU LEAVE US YOU’RE IN DENIAL
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IF YOU DIE YOU JUST WERN’T HONEST
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BUT IF YOU WORK THE PROGRAM
A
YOU CAN BE JUST LIKE US
G A
BRAINWASHED, AND INSANE
G D A AD
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

CHORUS
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NEVER FORGET YOU HAVE A DISEASE
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YOU’RE POWERLESS AND INSANE
G A
BUT GOD WILL HELP YOU IF YOU BEG HIM EVERYDAY
G D A AD
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

CHORUS

END WITH
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WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.
G D A
KEEP COMING BACK, IT WORKS IF YOU WORK IT BOY, YOU DIE IF YOU DON’T
G D A
WELCOME MY SON, WELCOME TO A.A.

Copyright 2010 Ron DeVillez

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:09

Where in the hell to you go to AA, Siberia, Moscow, Beijing, Romania or do you go back in a time machine to Nazi Germany.
Penny, you really enjoy propagandizing, don't you...:)

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

Anthro

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:20

Trish, are you kidding me? Every line in those lyrics is a line in AA!! Are you on the same planet here?
You talk like you know so much about AA.....how can everyone of those lines not be one you've heard at least once in your AA indoctrination?
Now if you attend some little flowery women's meeting now half mixed up with six different kinds of new age therapy, and that's the only meeting and group of people you've been around your entire sobriety, well then thats an exception to the rule.
But to deny the lines in that song and imply its NOT what is said over and over ad naseum in AA is simply dishonest.

Anthro

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Trisha K.

Wed, 06/13/2012 - 15:52

Realities can be different.

“The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends.”
Shirley MacLaine

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